ext_13058 ([identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] shadowkat 2010-03-11 02:42 am (UTC)

Bill Willingham actually did exactly such a villain on Fables though. Gepetto gives a completely similar speech about how his reighn would have brought love and peace for all and is far better than all the good and evil quarreling murdering Fables, so I don't think Willingham fits the list.

Did not know this. So Willingham had a Jasmine arc, too? Explains why he busted a gasket over the Twilight reveal. Probably isn't happy with the explanation either. Assuming he's even paying any attention at this point, which I doubt.

I disagree a bit about your point 10. I'm not sure if it really is in character for Buffy. From the show I'd say no, but comic Buffy has always seemed so alien to me that maybe for her it is?

I agree that she is under the influence, ie, drunk on power. The girl has just been given super-powers, and can glow. That would affect anyone. Heck look what it did to Willow. Add to that, the emotional trauma of having just discovered that you've sucked up the powers of people who depended on you, that you're desire to share your power with others lead to their deaths and you getting more power, and that your first love is this insane guy named Twilight whose been taunting you and fighting you for months...plus, all the shit that has happened. Buffy's been sucker-punched. And she's only human. I can see why she buys Angel's line or at least wants to... remember what she says in Retreat, to OZ, when he says the desire to just give in to the wolf overtook him?
Buffy would like to just give in to it. Let go. And that's exactly what she does in that scene - she let's go, she gives in. It's a moment of weakness...hard to judge her too harshly for that.

That was one of the very few scenes in the comic that I actually read as a clear reference to Spike, not to Angel. Because he's wearing a coat that goes all the way down and a red shirt, which is a lot more trademark to Spike than to Angel, as is calling her "love", so I'm not quite sure I'd interpret the dream the same way.

I'd initially read it the same way, but other posters online - I think stormwreath and aycheb - managed to convince me that it can equally be interpreted to fit Angel and actually does fit Angel just as well.

My guess, is it fits both. I think...how to put this, Buffy consciously sees Angel, but Spike is beneath the surface. I see it throughout. It's no accident that Satsu wakes her up and how closely Satsu's relationship with Buffy and her attitude towards Satsu parallels her relationship with Spike. Or for that matter Twangel's initial attitude towards Satsu - whom he throws something at and injures in Beautiful Sunset.

FDW theory? You mean the end-game or final chapter, with Willow sealing everyone in another dimension? Not sure what you mean here?

And thanks.





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