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Now here's something I can easily boycott...
Well, I now finally know why everyone on Face Book wants me to boycott Hobby Lobby. Thank you ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
shipperx who posted a lengthy recital of the Supreme Court ruling and Ruth Bader Ginesberg's dissent. Also, how great is Ruth? Best Supreme Court Justice on that panel.
Never heard of Hobby Lobby. So it's not all that hard to boycott. Love being told to boycott companies that I did not know existed. Now I can go on ignoring their existence.
Just wish I could boycott the five male justices on the Supreme Court. Who are once again giving Catholicism and religious rights a bad rap. As if it needed any help in that department. We really need to stop taking away or infringing on other rights in the name of religious rights. Last time I checked, someone's right to their religious beliefs did not take precedence over everything or give you the right to hurt people.
Gun ownership and manufacture and the right to own and fire guns at other living things is against my religious beliefs. Can we do away with guns please?
I loved the Daily Kos, which said...
Oh sorry, but paying for war violates my spiritual beliefs...you know, Thou Shall Not Kill" - so send me back $3 trillion.
Nailed it.
On the boycotting bit? I'm not sure it always works. It might. I don't believe in boycotting writers. Movie studios, yes. Publishing Companies? Depends. Corporations? Definitely but again, depends. They employ a lot of innocent people who are struggling to make ends meet. How would you feel if someone boycotted your company and you ended up getting laid-off as a result? It could happen.
But writers, artists, entertainers - smacks of censorship somehow and that makes me uneasy. Should we silence them because we don't like or despise something they did ages ago or recently, which we heard about through the media? To what degree do we even know it is true? Having done the criminal law bit - I can tell you that indictments and criminal convictions and confessions don't necessarily make it true. Lot's of gray area that very few people know about. You sort of have to have done criminal law to know whereof I speak.
Also art isn't always a reflection of the person's bad deeds. People are more than their actions, after all. We aren't defined solely by one or several deeds. Isolated or otherwise. A lot of people don't appear to understand this? Or so I've found? I guess I do because I worked in the Kansas Defender Project for a bit, and had to defend people who had robbed and murdered others. One guy that we were defending was this amazing artist, he was also a psychopath and in solitary confinement, think Hannibal Lector. We were defending his right to humane treatment, because everyone deserves to be treated humanely regardless of their crimes - anything else falls under vengeance. These people were complicated. One guy, the armed bank robber, was actually rather kind and had found ways to help others - including writing a pamphlet for drug abuse, and forming a drug rehabilitation support group while in prison. (Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary is a lot like the Prison in Orange is the New Black.)
And there are writers, philosophers, etc who historically did bad things, yet still added a great deal to our culture:
Socrates hated women and was a misogynist. Yet at the same time a brilliant philosopher.
Plato believed women had no souls.
Ghod only knows what Sophocles did.
TS Eliot was a sexist jerk (horrible to his wife) and anti-semitic. But an amazing poet.
Alfred Hitchcock...well, he was sexist and not nice to women, yet had a loving relationship with his wife and a brilliant director.
Flannery O'Connor - racist, but a great story teller
I admittedly haven't really read anything by Orson Scott Card, Walter Breen, Marion Zimmer Bradley (Sharra's Exile was about it, and I can't seem to make it through Mists of Avalon) or Anne Perry (not a fan of her writing - did try, after I saw Heavenly Creatures, partly out of curiousity. You can't tell it's the same woman.) But what they've done has little affect on my desire to read them. Actually, I've made a concerted effort to ignore these reports. I can't do anything about them. How does knowing this information help me or the world in any way? Does it stop others from doing this? Does it heal those who were hurt? Does it change how I view their novels? No, not really. Too late in the game to have much effect, I suspect. Also, being human, it's possible their books are helpful in other ways. I hear Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card is an anti-war book? And you really can't tell he's a homophobic bigot when reading it? Same deal with Mists of Avalon. Should a writer's actions done outside their writing life affect how we view their work and to what degree? How much do we need to know about the artist? How much should we? And do we really need to know anything at all?
Corporations - I get boycotting. That makes sense. Although not sure how useful it is. Artists and Writers not so much.
shipperx who posted a lengthy recital of the Supreme Court ruling and Ruth Bader Ginesberg's dissent. Also, how great is Ruth? Best Supreme Court Justice on that panel. Never heard of Hobby Lobby. So it's not all that hard to boycott. Love being told to boycott companies that I did not know existed. Now I can go on ignoring their existence.
Just wish I could boycott the five male justices on the Supreme Court. Who are once again giving Catholicism and religious rights a bad rap. As if it needed any help in that department. We really need to stop taking away or infringing on other rights in the name of religious rights. Last time I checked, someone's right to their religious beliefs did not take precedence over everything or give you the right to hurt people.
Gun ownership and manufacture and the right to own and fire guns at other living things is against my religious beliefs. Can we do away with guns please?
I loved the Daily Kos, which said...
Oh sorry, but paying for war violates my spiritual beliefs...you know, Thou Shall Not Kill" - so send me back $3 trillion.
Nailed it.
On the boycotting bit? I'm not sure it always works. It might. I don't believe in boycotting writers. Movie studios, yes. Publishing Companies? Depends. Corporations? Definitely but again, depends. They employ a lot of innocent people who are struggling to make ends meet. How would you feel if someone boycotted your company and you ended up getting laid-off as a result? It could happen.
But writers, artists, entertainers - smacks of censorship somehow and that makes me uneasy. Should we silence them because we don't like or despise something they did ages ago or recently, which we heard about through the media? To what degree do we even know it is true? Having done the criminal law bit - I can tell you that indictments and criminal convictions and confessions don't necessarily make it true. Lot's of gray area that very few people know about. You sort of have to have done criminal law to know whereof I speak.
Also art isn't always a reflection of the person's bad deeds. People are more than their actions, after all. We aren't defined solely by one or several deeds. Isolated or otherwise. A lot of people don't appear to understand this? Or so I've found? I guess I do because I worked in the Kansas Defender Project for a bit, and had to defend people who had robbed and murdered others. One guy that we were defending was this amazing artist, he was also a psychopath and in solitary confinement, think Hannibal Lector. We were defending his right to humane treatment, because everyone deserves to be treated humanely regardless of their crimes - anything else falls under vengeance. These people were complicated. One guy, the armed bank robber, was actually rather kind and had found ways to help others - including writing a pamphlet for drug abuse, and forming a drug rehabilitation support group while in prison. (Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary is a lot like the Prison in Orange is the New Black.)
And there are writers, philosophers, etc who historically did bad things, yet still added a great deal to our culture:
Socrates hated women and was a misogynist. Yet at the same time a brilliant philosopher.
Plato believed women had no souls.
Ghod only knows what Sophocles did.
TS Eliot was a sexist jerk (horrible to his wife) and anti-semitic. But an amazing poet.
Alfred Hitchcock...well, he was sexist and not nice to women, yet had a loving relationship with his wife and a brilliant director.
Flannery O'Connor - racist, but a great story teller
I admittedly haven't really read anything by Orson Scott Card, Walter Breen, Marion Zimmer Bradley (Sharra's Exile was about it, and I can't seem to make it through Mists of Avalon) or Anne Perry (not a fan of her writing - did try, after I saw Heavenly Creatures, partly out of curiousity. You can't tell it's the same woman.) But what they've done has little affect on my desire to read them. Actually, I've made a concerted effort to ignore these reports. I can't do anything about them. How does knowing this information help me or the world in any way? Does it stop others from doing this? Does it heal those who were hurt? Does it change how I view their novels? No, not really. Too late in the game to have much effect, I suspect. Also, being human, it's possible their books are helpful in other ways. I hear Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card is an anti-war book? And you really can't tell he's a homophobic bigot when reading it? Same deal with Mists of Avalon. Should a writer's actions done outside their writing life affect how we view their work and to what degree? How much do we need to know about the artist? How much should we? And do we really need to know anything at all?
Corporations - I get boycotting. That makes sense. Although not sure how useful it is. Artists and Writers not so much.
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I get the avoiding. And I haven't immersed myself in the information the way you have. Mainly because why would you want to? How does this help?
See, that's something else I'm questioning why this need to rip back layers on author's lives and read about what they've done?
I tend to like to read books not knowing anything about the writer.
And I've learned reading about writers of tv shows and movies does little for my enjoyment of the text. Once the story is out there - it's a story. (OR a better way of explaining it? I prefer the Watsonian to the Doylist interpretation of the text. I don't think Doylist helps all that much.)
Now there are writers whose agenda is present in their books and icky that way. American Psycho by Brett Easton Ellis made me feel icky. I got rid of it. And so did the book by Rick Warren - Purpose Drive Life. And Edgar Rice Burroughs Tarzan novels which are alarmingly racist. Not to mention Mein Kampf. I'm not condeming anyone for reading them. But I avoid them. And then there's anything written by the popular Gillian Flynn...ew.
But MZB? eh. I can't see it in her books. The books don't further that.
And the victims aren't still suffering at her hands, nor does my reading her books hurt them - they don't know I'm reading them. Also the books are about other things. I'm not saying you shouldn't feel icky. I'm just saying I don't. That said, I can't say I want to read her books either - outside of being curious as to what all hubbub about this particular book, Mists of Avalon, itself is about, positive or negative. I've always been bewildered. It's not that good a book. It bewilders me in the same way Lord of Light did.