I really can't find one word to describe the Buffy universe)
It defied description - another reason why Buffy stands heads and shoulders above Angel in television history. It blended genres and created a new one.
I would even say that some of those who do not handle the authority issue well - Wesley and Faith, obviously in different ways - are only redeemed in AtS. They were noir characters in a non-noir universe.
Well, to be fair, they weren't really part of the cast, so much as guest stars or supporting players, sort of like Lilah and Lindsey were in ATS. But in ATS, Wes was a lead character. And Faith was paired up as a foil to Angel not Buffy. Keep that in mind. Angel doesn't believe he can be redeemed, he would like to redeem Faith - she's sort of a foil. It's why Spike is redeemed on Buffy not really redeemed on Angel (unless you think he was in S5 Angel, but I honestly think he was redeemed in Buffy first.) He's to Buffy what Faith was Angel in many ways, and vice versa.
n the Buffyverse they are denied the right to really mature - they are simply seen as static entities. Moving to AtS opens their personal universes in some amazing ways. I know this was needed - Buffy had it's quota of characters to follow if nothing else.
Also different focus and themes. Wes was explored to a degree on Buffy - but considering he was on the series for about five to six episodes in the 3rd season and as a foil for Giles and barely had that many lines - while on ATS - he was basically Angel's version of Giles and a major character - in pretty much all the episodes.
Same with Faith in some respects. Although I actually think she had a far more interesting arc on Buffy - I prefer the episodes Consequences, Enemies, Who are You and This Year's Girl to the one's on ATS that I barely remember. And Who Are You is the episode that changed Faith, just as Bad Girls was. Angel basically was the wrap up. So, I'll have to disagree on Faith - I think her arc on Buffy was far more interesting. Granted she didn't have as much to do in S7 - but at that point - it was more about Buffy coming to terms with Faith. And I'm not all that sure she had all that much to do on Angel in S4 - because she mainly served as a sounding board or foil for Angel's fight with Angelus in Orpheus, as well as Wes in the prior episode.
Keep in mind - Angel only explored characters that furthered Angel's arc. Spike's arc was far more interesting on Buffy than Angel - in more episodes. And Willow and Buffy - same deal - better on Buffy. Darla and Dru however got more screen time on Angel - which makes sense they are Angelus' family - they informed Angel. Buffy? They were villains - although we did get more back story on Dru in Buffy than we did on Angel, actually, due to Spike. So Dru was actually better developed on Buffy. On Angel - she was merely something he felt guilty and responsible about.
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Date: 2014-10-12 01:03 am (UTC)It defied description - another reason why Buffy stands heads and shoulders above Angel in television history. It blended genres and created a new one.
I would even say that some of those who do not handle the authority issue well - Wesley and Faith, obviously in different ways - are only redeemed in AtS. They were noir characters in a non-noir universe.
Well, to be fair, they weren't really part of the cast, so much as guest stars or supporting players, sort of like Lilah and Lindsey were in ATS. But in ATS, Wes was a lead character. And Faith was paired up as a foil to Angel not Buffy. Keep that in mind. Angel doesn't believe he can be redeemed, he would like to redeem Faith - she's sort of a foil. It's why Spike is redeemed on Buffy not really redeemed on Angel (unless you think he was in S5 Angel, but I honestly think he was redeemed in Buffy first.) He's to Buffy what Faith was Angel in many ways, and vice versa.
n the Buffyverse they are denied the right to really mature - they are simply seen as static entities. Moving to AtS opens their personal universes in some amazing ways. I know this was needed - Buffy had it's quota of characters to follow if nothing else.
Also different focus and themes. Wes was explored to a degree on Buffy - but considering he was on the series for about five to six episodes in the 3rd season and as a foil for Giles and barely had that many lines - while on ATS - he was basically Angel's version of Giles and a major character - in pretty much all the episodes.
Same with Faith in some respects. Although I actually think she had a far more interesting arc on Buffy - I prefer the episodes Consequences, Enemies, Who are You and This Year's Girl to the one's on ATS that I barely remember. And Who Are You is the episode that changed Faith, just as Bad Girls was. Angel basically was the wrap up.
So, I'll have to disagree on Faith - I think her arc on Buffy was far more interesting. Granted she didn't have as much to do in S7 - but at that point - it was more about Buffy coming to terms with Faith. And I'm not all that sure she had all that much to do on Angel in S4 - because she mainly served as a sounding board or foil for Angel's fight with Angelus in Orpheus, as well as Wes in the prior episode.
Keep in mind - Angel only explored characters that furthered Angel's arc. Spike's arc was far more interesting on Buffy than Angel - in more episodes. And Willow and Buffy - same deal - better on Buffy.
Darla and Dru however got more screen time on Angel - which makes sense they are Angelus' family - they informed Angel. Buffy? They were villains - although we did get more back story on Dru in Buffy than we did on Angel, actually, due to Spike. So Dru was actually better developed on Buffy. On Angel - she was merely something he felt guilty and responsible about.