Ugh! I wrote this huge thing out and the computer lost it. Okay abbreviated version.
I didn't disagree with everything, just the first paragraph. (Or the mean things;-) )The odd thing is -what you said about Spike is how I view Angel. I see Angel as a self-righteous prick who tends to think a little too highly of himself. That said, I oddly enough like Angel and unlike your feelings for Spike, actually do care about Angel (or I wouldn't bother taping the show), but I struggle with the fact that Angel often appears to me to be a spoiled frat boy who is upset that he got cursed with conscience and Daddy isn't more impressed with his good deeds. Also he can be awfully patronizing. I keep wanting to slap him upside the head. Spike and Connor often said many of the things I wanted to say to Angel. It's the reason I loved Connor. And it is one of the reasons I love Spike. They both made fun of Angel's "self-importance" and "hero complex".
I loved Connor for some of the same reasons I loved Spike. The two characters remind me of each other. And it annoys me to no end that ME chose to not have them meet. Damn.
I agreed with the rest of your review. Except I can't see Spike becoming evil in anyway. I can however see Angel becoming evil for the reasons stated above. Angel to me is always on the verge of going to hell and Spike is the metaphor for that. Until Angel figures out that Angelus is a part of him and they aren't separate entities, he is always in danger of becoming Angelus. What I love about Spike and Angel is their differences - Angel's story is about integration, dealing with your dark side, rising above your baser instincts and temptations. Spike's story is about a boy struggling to become a man, or a demon (the boy) struggling to become human (man).
I agreed with your take on Fred and Spike - it was my favorite scene as well. I also agree with your hopes for the Angel/Spike relationship. The only thing I disagreed with was the first portion of it. Not sure that made sense.
PS: (understand not caring about characters - I don't care about Cordy and Harmony...I keep trying to care, but just can't for some reason. There's just something about those two characters that I can't connect too. I don't hate them, I just don't care about them. Same with Gunn, can't get myself to care too much to comment on him either.)
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Re: Don't live in Canda, live in denial
Date: 2003-10-09 04:14 pm (UTC)Okay abbreviated version.
I didn't disagree with everything, just the first paragraph.
(Or the mean things;-) )The odd thing is -what you said about Spike is how I view Angel. I see Angel as a self-righteous prick who tends to think a little too highly of himself. That said, I oddly enough like Angel and unlike your feelings for Spike, actually do care about Angel (or I wouldn't bother taping the show), but I struggle with the fact that Angel often appears to me to be a spoiled frat boy who is upset that he got cursed with conscience and Daddy isn't more impressed with his good deeds. Also he can be awfully patronizing. I keep wanting to slap him upside the head. Spike and Connor often said many of the things I wanted to say to Angel. It's the reason I loved Connor. And it is one of the reasons I love Spike. They both made fun of Angel's "self-importance" and "hero complex".
I loved Connor for some of the same reasons I loved Spike.
The two characters remind me of each other. And it annoys me to no end that ME chose to not have them meet. Damn.
I agreed with the rest of your review. Except I can't see Spike becoming evil in anyway. I can however see Angel becoming evil for the reasons stated above. Angel to me is always on the verge of going to hell and Spike is the metaphor for that. Until Angel figures out that Angelus is a part of him and they aren't separate entities, he is always in danger of becoming Angelus. What I love about Spike and Angel is their differences - Angel's story is about integration, dealing with your dark side, rising above your baser instincts and temptations. Spike's story is about a boy struggling to become a man, or a demon (the boy) struggling to become human (man).
I agreed with your take on Fred and Spike - it was my favorite scene as well. I also agree with your hopes for the Angel/Spike relationship. The only thing I disagreed with was the first portion of it. Not sure that made sense.
PS: (understand not caring about characters - I don't care about Cordy and Harmony...I keep trying to care, but just can't for some reason. There's just something about those two characters that I can't connect too. I don't hate them, I just don't care about them. Same with Gunn, can't get myself to care too much to comment on him either.)