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Procrastinating on marketing plan thing, partly b/c I'm freezing - heat hasn't come on for some reason.
And edgy.

Did rent: The Fisher King and Two Towers, along with two fluff movies that I will keep to myself.

Not enjoying the voy boards much these days. The Spike bashing seems to be endless, actually I don't mind that so much as the smugness and self-righteous/morally superior attitude of the people writing the posts. Has anyone ever read a noir novel? Or experienced a complex, morally ambiguous character? Do you understand what an anti-hero is? (Angel's one by the way and is probably the darkest character to grace a tv set. Yet people don't seem to see it.) Instead of reducing an analysis of a character to smug shorthand, can't anyone explore the hidden depths? See the duality? Do people remember how? There wasn't a bad discussion on Spike a few months ago, haven't seen many recently though, just two-dimensional posts that lack any real insight. See no point in responding to them. I think I'll just avoid the boards for a while until the new episodes air in January.

Ugh...cold, frustrated and annoyed. Even Lobi Traore hasn't helped. Uggy day. Must work! Then as a reward, I'll watch a fluff movie.

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I'll watch a fluff movie.

Ooh. Like?

Sinbad - the Dreamworks Cartoon, not very good. Tons of plot holes and the script...ugh. But lots of potential, you have to love a reluctant/snarky hero. The other one is Down With Love a fluffy 50s romantic comedy with Ewan McGregor and Renee Zeewegler (sp?). Don't expect much, but wanted something light.

to TCH on the board re: his interpretation of Spike in Lineage. I wanted to thank you for posting that. Earlier, when I read this LJ post, I wanted to reply, "Well, if other people won't do it, why don't YOU post about the complexities of Spike?" Then I decided not to do that because I knew it wouldn't necessarily make you feel any better about the lack of decent Spike analysis.

So, anyway, more power to yah!

Thanks. It wasn't one of my better posts though. A little tentative about seeing what responses it got.

I guess if you want to see something addressed, you need to do it yourself. ;-)

Maybe some of it the responses you were nervous about, but not all.

In which case, sorry. I was really most interested by Wesley in this episode, and that's the reason I devoted most of the review to him- after all it was a Wesley centred episode. I've responded to your reply to me on the board, which I hope explains my view on Spike a little better.

Or maybe it's nothing to do with me, and I'm just extremely self-absorbed, in which case, you've got to love the irony ;-)

TCH

Actually it was directed more towards a few other posters such as *cough*dlgood*cough* who is just one of a trend of people who like to give smug short-hand as opposed to insightful analysis.

I've enjoyed your analysis, but I think you missed a few things in Lineage, you focused more on parents, but seemed to miss the main theme which was about becoming a puppet to others whims. The head boy joke - which is first mentioned by Roger then echoed by GhostSpike, who steps in front of Wes when he says it - is an interesting metaphor for this. Head Boy - is the kid who is a puppet of the school's authority figures. He does whatever he is told without question, parrots back the information on cue, and follows the rules to the letter. This describes both Wes and William as schoolboys. Now William/Spike is a ghost, incapable of really influencing the world - until in the midst of operating on the cyberninja - Spike
breaks through and knocks a beaker off the counter - disrupting things - he affects order and EVE suddenly takes notice. Big Time. How does this relate to Wes? Well, Wes, due to his desire to follow his father's will, misses clues to the fact that it's not his father but a cyberninja who is playing Wes like a puppet. A theme that reflects on Angel most of all - Angel who has been the puppet of other's whim's his entire life and has recently made the others puppets with a mindwipe. The episode is not what it seems on the surface - how we deal with our parents, but rather - about how we need to overcome the strings our parents manipulate us with - it's about Coppelia. Spike's jokes in the episode aren't about how self-obsessed Spike is (of course he's self-obsessed, he's a bloody ghost who can't feel, smell, or tast anything - duh), it's about how controlled Spike and the others are by W&H and outside forces. The line Parvayne won't get me - also reflects that since Parvayne was trying to bend Spike and every spirit in the building to his will. See? You missed a whole level analysis by giving into the temptation to go for the obvious surface explanation. It normally wouldn't annoy me very much, except that everyone is doing it right now and I just don't have the time or patience to continue to attempt to write layered posts, especially when they get maybe two responses before getting archived while posts like the one on spite, last forever. The days of great back and forth posting appear to be sadly gone.

Not sure if that made sense.

In fact, I've repeated some of this in response to your last post on the board, unwittingly before reading this.

I think 'Destiny' may give me some more impetus to write about Spike. For whatever reason, the Odyssey thread got busy as soon as we moved away from Wesley and on to Spike and Angel, which I suppose is boringly predictable. I was just trying to stimulate some Wesley debate from a Wesley episode, since Angel and Spike get untold amount of board time already, and this was the first episode in which neither one of them was the foreground character, (not the main character, the main character is always Angel), except the IMO dreadful 'Life of the Party'. But I don't mind Spiek and Angel discussion as long as it's intelligent, and with you, valheru and ponygirl around, that's a given.

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Plenty of sense