Ah, well, I hope you didn't think my original post was painting him out as a woobie?
I don't see him that way. Not really a fan of Loki. (Personally, I don't understand the appeal of either the character or actor.)
My difficulty -- is that fans will often give a hero a clean slate, and make it all the villain's fault -- which removes a bit of the complexity of the story and makes it rather black and white. ie. The good guys wear white hats, the bad guys wear black hats...and it's as simple as that.
Or in contrast, they do the poor woobie. Spike fans were notorious for this - which aggravated me.
People are such extremists, forgetting that if the villain is a woobie or completely nasty, the story they are a fan of, becomes sort of one-dimensional and not all that interesting.
This is the problem with being fannishly devoted to one character -- you can fall into the trap of giving that character a blank slate, trying to justify why you liked the character. (While you could say that I'm fan of the characters Cyclops and Spike - what intrigues me is their complexity and arcs. They go from one extreme to the other - or appear to. )
That said? I didn't find the Avengers to be all that well-written or complex a film. Loki was a bit cliche as a villain at times. I think the X-men films have had more complexity in storyline and villains. (I was admittedly never much of an Avengers fan or Thor fan -- found them to be a bit....bland in comparison to the other Marvel characters. I was an X-Men fan, the other comic book characters...never really captivated me all that much. Oh, I dabbled. But not a true fan.)
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Date: 2015-11-29 02:43 pm (UTC)I don't see him that way. Not really a fan of Loki. (Personally, I don't understand the appeal of either the character or actor.)
My difficulty -- is that fans will often give a hero a clean slate, and make it all the villain's fault -- which removes a bit of the complexity of the story and makes it rather black and white. ie. The good guys wear white hats, the bad guys wear black hats...and it's as simple as that.
Or in contrast, they do the poor woobie. Spike fans were notorious for this - which aggravated me.
People are such extremists, forgetting that if the villain is a woobie or completely nasty, the story they are a fan of, becomes sort of one-dimensional and not all that interesting.
This is the problem with being fannishly devoted to one character -- you can fall into the trap of giving that character a blank slate, trying to justify why you liked the character. (While you could say that I'm fan of the characters Cyclops and Spike - what intrigues me is their complexity and arcs. They go from one extreme to the other - or appear to. )
That said? I didn't find the Avengers to be all that well-written or complex a film. Loki was a bit cliche as a villain at times. I think the X-men films have had more complexity in storyline and villains. (I was admittedly never much of an Avengers fan or Thor fan -- found them to be a bit....bland in comparison to the other Marvel characters. I was an X-Men fan, the other comic book characters...never really captivated me all that much. Oh, I dabbled. But not a true fan.)