US Presidential Primaries by the Numbers - or Who Won, Who Lost & Other Fun Factoids.

[shadowkat]

In case you haven't heard the news by now, Hillary Clinton won the Democratic Nomination.

This is fascinating, but Hillary Clinton is MUCH further ahead of Sanders than Obama was with Hillary back in 2008.

And the Washington Post exposes the social media pundits who are spouting false information on Twitter and Facebook about the contest.

I may not have voted in the Presidential primaries, but apparently Everyone else did.

And this is just weird, but Trump got more votes for and against him than anyone running on the GOP ticket ever had, while Hillary won more votes in 2008 in the race she lost than in the race she won

By the numbers,

2008 Democratic Presidential Primary Popular Vote:


State Date Obama Clinton Spread

Popular Vote Total 17,535,458 48.1% 17,493,836 48.0% Obama +41,622 +0.1%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,869,542 48.2% 17,717,698 47.8% Obama +151,844 +0.4%

Popular Vote (w/MI)** 17,535,458 47.4% 17,822,145 48.1% Clinton +286,687 +0.8%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,869,542 47.4% 18,046,007 47.9% Clinton +176,465 +0.5%

Obama was at 17,869,543 and Clinton at 17,535,458. He had 48.2% and she had 47.4% when he won the nomination on June 7, 2008.
(Source: RealClear Politics)

And here's the popular vote as of today, 2016 in the contest between Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders:

State Date ▴ Clinton Sanders Spread
RCP Total - 15,729,913 12,009,562 Clinton +3,720,351

As of today June 9, 2016, Clinton is at roughly 15,729,913 vs. Sanders at 12,009,562 popular votes.
That's a much bigger spread than Obama had when Clinton caved to Obama.

Comments

[spikesjojo.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but Sanders is also creating a populist message that works. The dems need to get people to believe that they are different, that they hear people. Sanders and Clinton are working this through. Let the process happen - we all know Hilary will be the candidate but for the sake of the country we need the Sanders followers to vote, and to vote for a congress that will work. The DNC was being way too manipulative when they really didn't have to be - now they have backed off. Sanders will lead a huge fight against Trump - which s a fight for Hilary - and a huge fight for congress but his followers need to see that they are being respected.

Do you realize that this is the first candidate who did not take a dime of funding from anyone but the people who donated? That is as revolutionary as having a woman candidate finally. Marrying the two movements is the only way to look forward for more than just this race.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

This article on the history of the populist movement in the US (http://theweek.com/articles/579018/brief-history-populism) explains why I have issues with populism. And don't think it works without serious and often disastrous consequences.

And also the Arab Spring which lead to Isis, the Tea Party, the Nazi Party, Peronism...all had elements of populism.

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

It tends to be irrational, with decisions based on pain, fear, and distrust.

[spikesjojo.livejournal.com]

The pendulum swings - too much crony capitalism leads to populism. We can either do it by voting, or by force - that is the history of revolution. I think the Trump movement is more nativist and isolationist than populist.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Just as long as you don't vote for Trump and do vote for whoever is the most likely to beat him in November (which is Hillary Clinton), we're good. That's my fear right now, that the Bernie supporters are going to swing the vote to Trump, just like the Nader supporters swung it to Bush in 2000. Which, while ironically amusing in the extreme, I don't want to have to deal with - I'm not sure we'll survive Trump. He has a 60/40 chance of starting WWIII with Korea. (If you choose to vote for Trump or against Hillary, don't tell me, I don't want to know. ;-) )

All I really care about at this point is that Trump not become President of the US. ;-)

[spikesjojo.livejournal.com]

It's looking like Elizabeth Warren might be Hilary's VP - That would be fantastic. Hilary and Sanders are making nice, and working togethe to land this plane. But let the Sanders supporters go through the grieving process. Any Sanders supporter who votes for Trump has no idea what Sanders stands for.

Also, Hilary did a kickass speech on reproductive rights. I was not a fan but I am getting convinced. Looks like the Dems might lose the lube and grow a pair.

[flake-sake.livejournal.com]

Doesn't bode well, does it? The US are always won by the one who mobilizes better aren't they?

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

No, it really doesn't. I don't know where it will go at this point.

The populist movement in the US and abroad scares me.