Hmmm tempting, especially since you did the layered meme thingy.
I think Joss does take some time to get into the characters, and start showing what they're really made of. This is part of what I like about him. It's much like the way we get to know people. First we see their superficial outsides, and eventually, with time and opportunity, we begin to see more of their true natures, good and bad both.
Yes, he does..in watching the commentary I was struck by Minear's comment that they were planning on going a lot darker in future episodes and how you had to earn the darkness, earn that ability to look at a darker side of the character - not do it right off the bat. It made me mad at Fox for not giving me the opportunity to see where they'd go with it, although not too upset, since I have a hunch we will see some of their ideas popping up on Angel this year. Actually a lot of them. Whedon has pretty much taken a good portion of what he wanted to write or examine on Firefly and found a way of throwing it into Angel. He tried to do some of it on BTVS, but I think the structure of the show combined with other factors may have hampered him a bit.
I think, and I include myself in this, we forget that people are not all one thing - we are very ambiguous creatures - capable of great good and great evil - often at the same time. Firefly sort of commented on that fact - how someone could be both heroic and a complete ass, or heroic and a villian - the double edged sword. Angel is commenting on that this year.
Well I'd do the ranking game -- but first I have to figure what episodes fall where in the lineup. You sort of need a chart I think. (I honestly have no clue how they did it...on the board. The best episodes list that comes closest to mine overall is probably Sophist's and manwitch/sophist combined probably come closest to my worste list. Manwitch certainly crystallized what I disliked about both Andrew and Storyteller.)
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Re: Firefly
Date: 2004-01-09 11:31 pm (UTC)I think Joss does take some time to get into the characters, and start showing what they're really made of. This is part of what I like about him. It's much like the way we get to know people. First we see their superficial outsides, and eventually, with time and opportunity, we begin to see more of their true natures, good and bad both.
Yes, he does..in watching the commentary I was struck by Minear's comment that they were planning on going a lot darker in future episodes and how you had to earn the darkness, earn that ability to look at a darker side of the character - not do it right off the bat. It made me mad at Fox for not giving me the opportunity to see where they'd go with it, although not too upset, since I have a hunch we will see some of their ideas popping up on Angel this year. Actually a lot of them. Whedon has pretty much taken a good portion of what he wanted to write or examine on Firefly and found a way of throwing it into Angel. He tried to do some of it on BTVS, but I think the structure of the show combined with other factors may have hampered him a bit.
I think, and I include myself in this, we forget that people are not all one thing - we are very ambiguous creatures - capable of great good and great evil - often at the same time. Firefly sort of commented on that fact - how someone could be both heroic and a complete ass, or heroic and a villian - the double edged sword. Angel is commenting on that this year.
Well I'd do the ranking game -- but first I have to figure what episodes fall where in the lineup. You sort of need a chart I think. (I honestly have no clue how they did it...on the board. The best episodes list that comes closest to mine overall is probably Sophist's and manwitch/sophist combined probably come closest to my worste list. Manwitch certainly crystallized what I disliked about both Andrew and Storyteller.)