Oh, I knew that. I wasn't referring to your comment so much as KDS's response to you, which was he'd have been more satisfied if it was more clearly Starship Troopers. My point is that he and others wanted the series to fit one model and I think that it's more interesting because it doesn't.
I thought so right off. Buffy and Angel as series has mined everything from comics to movies and literature, not content to stay in a box in regards to the story. People seem to think that cause one reference is mentioned that it means that the whole season or point of the series is that one reference.
He's still looking for the angle. He's basically Spike in Primeval S4, okay, that plan failed, I'll help you now. The difference being that Buffy isn't a killer, and Angel is. Angel will kill someone if they could end up being a threat - at this point in time. Buffy reserves that for demons. Angel for instance would have killed Warren, Buffy wouldn't. So the viewer is struggling with that dichotmy.
Lindsey says as much when he talks to Eve and says that once this conflict is over who knows what will happen. His mistake was forgetting that Angel is a killer (my husband still insists the whole lot of them are, just different types) and won't hesitate to deal with others in a ruthless way. With Warren I'm not sure how Angel would react. If he caught him in the act I have no doubts Warren would be in little pieces, but I somehow think that Angel just may deliver a wrapped but still living Warren to the cops.
Yes and no. They are both vampires. Yes. But they aren't the same kind of vampires just as they aren't the same kind of men.
Yup, that was my point. It's that similar experience of being the same "kind" of monster, and monsters that killed and lived together that create that history both men can't escape. They are both vampires, therefore the same kind of monster, but it's the personality and memories or being men that create the differences in how they act as vampires. They also share in that they both now have a soul. Even though Spike did seek a soul, the sting and slow realization of what he has been took a while to sink in. Angel had years to react and Spike had to do that in a shorter period of time. This doesn't say that either men are the "best" type of men, but that they took different and sometimes longer paths to get to where they were in "Not Fade Away".
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Re: Hmmmmm
Date: 2004-07-11 06:44 pm (UTC)I thought so right off. Buffy and Angel as series has mined everything from comics to movies and literature, not content to stay in a box in regards to the story. People seem to think that cause one reference is mentioned that it means that the whole season or point of the series is that one reference.
He's still looking for the angle. He's basically Spike in Primeval S4, okay, that plan failed, I'll help you now. The difference being that Buffy isn't a killer, and Angel is.
Angel will kill someone if they could end up being a threat - at this point in time. Buffy reserves that for demons. Angel for instance would have killed Warren, Buffy wouldn't.
So the viewer is struggling with that dichotmy.
Lindsey says as much when he talks to Eve and says that once this conflict is over who knows what will happen. His mistake was forgetting that Angel is a killer (my husband still insists the whole lot of them are, just different types) and won't hesitate to deal with others in a ruthless way. With Warren I'm not sure how Angel would react. If he caught him in the act I have no doubts Warren would be in little pieces, but I somehow think that Angel just may deliver a wrapped but still living Warren to the cops.
Yes and no. They are both vampires. Yes. But they aren't the same kind of vampires just as they aren't the same kind of men.
Yup, that was my point. It's that similar experience of being the same "kind" of monster, and monsters that killed and lived together that create that history both men can't escape. They are both vampires, therefore the same kind of monster, but it's the personality and memories or being men that create the differences in how they act as vampires. They also share in that they both now have a soul. Even though Spike did seek a soul, the sting and slow realization of what he has been took a while to sink in. Angel had years to react and Spike had to do that in a shorter period of time. This doesn't say that either men are the "best" type of men, but that they took different and sometimes longer paths to get to where they were in "Not Fade Away".
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