For one thing - the episode where Dawn talks about it being like a meat party in her mouth? That was written by Jane Espenson - Whedon didn't write it.
That's just one example.
Secondly, the show is a product of it's time. Sadly a lot of shows from the late 90s/early 00s haven't aged that well when it comes to the way certain topics were handled/treated. Or the way certain characters were written.
It truly is. And like 98% of television series - it doesn't age well. I'm trying to think of one that has...they are all creatures of their time.
Reminds me of people who critique old genre novels, particular romance, sci-fi, fantasy, and to a lesser degree mystery - they too don't necessarily age well. And super-imposing modern sensibilities on something that was published ten-fifty-100 some years ago...
He does careless, immature things like teenagers do. He says things that are stupid and selfish but he also does his best to stand by his friends and face evil when he had nothing to really offer in the fight.
Xander is basically your normal teenage boy. People make mistakes. And say stupid and selfish things. We all do. But Xander did stand by his friends and risked his life for them. He wasn't just one thing.
Also it's not entirely clear he was Whedon's avatar and I agree - the show wasn't made in a vacuum, others were involved. And it's important to look at what was on before, during and immediately after it aired. All had similar issues.
Whedon for example - wanted to cast Bianca Lawson as Buffy, but the network insisted on Gellar. Gellar was supposed to be Cordelia. He also originally cast a much larger woman as Willow. If you see the pilot and read who was originally in the running - it kind of makes some of this less clear-cut.
Whedom seems to be a terrible person who was praised for being a feminist for far too long when all he did was create some really decent TV and we shouldn't spend hours navel-gazing trying to look at his work to try to see where he ends and his shows begin.
Agreed. Also I'm beginning to question a lot of these allegations because they are all conveniently timed around the mess that is and was Whedon's shoot of Justice League. I mean every single allegation except for the Pruitts is either associated with the filming of Justice League, brought out because of it, or timed around it. Making me wonder about what was really going on behind the scenes at WB. And whether Whedon really is the bad guy here or if someone else might be?
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Date: 2021-02-23 11:18 pm (UTC)For one thing - the episode where Dawn talks about it being like a meat party in her mouth? That was written by Jane Espenson - Whedon didn't write it.
That's just one example.
Secondly, the show is a product of it's time. Sadly a lot of shows from the late 90s/early 00s haven't aged that well when it comes to the way certain topics were handled/treated. Or the way certain characters were written.
It truly is. And like 98% of television series - it doesn't age well. I'm trying to think of one that has...they are all creatures of their time.
Reminds me of people who critique old genre novels, particular romance, sci-fi, fantasy, and to a lesser degree mystery - they too don't necessarily age well. And super-imposing modern sensibilities on something that was published ten-fifty-100 some years ago...
He does careless, immature things like teenagers do. He says things that are stupid and selfish but he also does his best to stand by his friends and face evil when he had nothing to really offer in the fight.
Xander is basically your normal teenage boy. People make mistakes. And say stupid and selfish things.
We all do. But Xander did stand by his friends and risked his life for them. He wasn't just one thing.
Also it's not entirely clear he was Whedon's avatar and I agree - the show wasn't made in a vacuum, others were involved. And it's important to look at what was on before, during and immediately after it aired. All had similar issues.
Whedon for example - wanted to cast Bianca Lawson as Buffy, but the network insisted on Gellar. Gellar was supposed to be Cordelia. He also originally cast a much larger woman as Willow. If you see the pilot and read who was originally in the running - it kind of makes some of this less clear-cut.
Whedom seems to be a terrible person who was praised for being a feminist for far too long when all he did was create some really decent TV and we shouldn't spend hours navel-gazing trying to look at his work to try to see where he ends and his shows begin.
Agreed. Also I'm beginning to question a lot of these allegations because they are all conveniently timed around the mess that is and was Whedon's shoot of Justice League. I mean every single allegation except for the Pruitts is either associated with the filming of Justice League, brought out because of it, or timed around it. Making me wonder about what was really going on behind the scenes at WB. And whether Whedon really is the bad guy here or if someone else might be?