I do agree with what you state above, more than you may realize. And was trying to make a point, that was more or less along those lines. The agnostic/athesist line was by the way a joke. A bad one. But a joke. I have, as you may or may not have figured out by now, a brutal sense of humor. Could give Spike and Cordelia a run for their money. And it comes out when I'm stressed and unhappy. You really should take half the stuff I write in a certain tone with a hefty grain of salt. ;-) (I usually delete these lines. Realizing they may hit people the wrong way or I'll state I'm joking.) I know, of course, that no sane person would want that religion clause out. I remember talking to a man about Turkey several years back and he stated that he prayed Turkey's government stayed non-secular, because the moment it got secular and took on a religious cause, watch out.
Religion despite what many people may think is not the root of all evil. It is unfortunately often used as an excuse for many horrendous actions. And people tend to generalize. I get angry at Religion a lot, but for reasons that are complicated and difficult to explain. But, I'm not really an agnostic. Not a true one in any event. I believe in God and I believe in Jesus Christ. Yes there are days I think, well, you know it is possible we made it all up. But generally speaking, I believe. My belief is a little different than yours - for Jesus does not need to be perfect for me, actually I prefer that he wasn't. Because that meant he was human, albeit briefly. I'm not explaining this very well, I'm afraid. Maybe a story is the best way to go - When my grandmother was learning how to bead, a Navajho woman taught her to make a mistake in her beadwork. My grandmother was taken aback. Why? Because, it makes sure the evil can escape and isn't trapped inside. The evil? The pride and vanity that went into making the bead work. The beauty is in the imperfection. I believe Jesus's ability to forgive us was partly based on his ability to understand, and to truly understand you sort of have to walk in that persons shoes, feel their pain, make their mistakes. And he made them. Railing at the vendors in the marketplace. Trusting the wrong people. Yet at the same time, were they mistakes - if he learned from them. If others learned and grew. As you state, it isn't black and white. Never is. But sometimes, when I'm railing at the universe, I wish it were. If that makes sense?
In South Carolina, there's a Republican Sentator, my parents like, who voted against the torture law and anti-Habeas Corpus. Lindsey, I think is his name. And he's not pro-Bush. While if you look at the voting records, there are quite a few Democrat Sentators who did vote for the torture law. And I've had numerous close friends who are Republicans. My evil boss, the one who was a borderline sociopath? Liberal Democrat. My nice boss, who went out of her way for me? Ultra-conservative, right-wing Republican.
In college, one of my close friends was a conservative, Christian, Republican, by way of England, she adored Ronald Regan - as a result I saw him in person. Afterwards she'd tell the following joke: "Regan comes on stage, I have tears in my eyes, rejoicing to see him and skat is looking at the protestors trying to decide if she should be joining them." LOL! Ah, diversity, it is the spice of life.
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Date: 2006-10-26 05:18 pm (UTC)I do agree with what you state above, more than you may realize. And was trying to make a point, that was more or less along those lines. The agnostic/athesist line was by the way a joke. A bad one. But a joke. I have, as you may or may not have figured out by now, a brutal sense of humor. Could give Spike and Cordelia a run for their money. And it comes out when I'm stressed and unhappy. You really should take half the stuff I write in a certain tone with a hefty grain of salt. ;-) (I usually delete these lines. Realizing they may hit people the wrong way or I'll state I'm joking.) I know, of course, that no sane person would want that religion clause out. I remember talking to a man about Turkey several years back and he stated that he prayed Turkey's government stayed non-secular, because the moment it got secular and took on a religious cause, watch out.
Religion despite what many people may think is not the root of all evil. It is unfortunately often used as an excuse for many horrendous actions. And people tend to generalize. I get angry at Religion a lot, but for reasons that are complicated and difficult to explain. But, I'm not really an agnostic. Not a true one in any event. I believe in God and I believe in Jesus Christ. Yes there are days I think, well, you know it is possible we made it all up. But generally speaking, I believe.
My belief is a little different than yours - for Jesus does not need to be perfect for me, actually I prefer that he wasn't. Because that meant he was human, albeit briefly. I'm not explaining this very well, I'm afraid. Maybe a story is the best way to go - When my grandmother was learning how to bead, a Navajho woman taught her to make a mistake in her beadwork. My grandmother was taken aback.
Why? Because, it makes sure the evil can escape and isn't trapped inside. The evil? The pride and vanity that went into making the bead work. The beauty is in the imperfection. I believe Jesus's ability to forgive us was partly based on his ability to understand, and to truly understand you sort of have to walk in that persons shoes, feel their pain, make their mistakes. And he made them. Railing at the vendors in the marketplace. Trusting the wrong people. Yet at the same time, were they mistakes - if he learned from them. If others learned and grew. As you state, it isn't black and white. Never is. But sometimes, when I'm railing at the universe, I wish it were. If that makes sense?
In South Carolina, there's a Republican Sentator, my parents like, who voted against the torture law and anti-Habeas Corpus. Lindsey, I think is his name. And he's not pro-Bush. While if you look at the voting records, there are quite a few Democrat Sentators who did vote for the torture law.
And I've had numerous close friends who are Republicans. My evil boss, the one who was a borderline sociopath? Liberal Democrat. My nice boss, who went out of her way for me? Ultra-conservative, right-wing Republican.
In college, one of my close friends was a conservative, Christian, Republican, by way of England, she adored Ronald Regan - as a result I saw him in person. Afterwards she'd tell the following joke: "Regan comes on stage, I have tears in my eyes, rejoicing to see him and skat is looking at the protestors trying to decide if she should be joining them." LOL! Ah, diversity, it is the spice of life.