I think Jaime confesses to the window push (I think) but at that point, things are so much worse that it doesn't matter.
He does - to Tyrion in Storm. I can't remember if he does to Brienne or Catelynn.
Martin does a good job of demonstrating how holding grudges and seeking vengeance and/or justice often makes things far worse for the seeker than... not doing so. It's all good and well to do the old "eye for and eye" routine, but seriously when does it stop? It doesn't change what happened. It doesn't bring the person back. And it doesn't really make any one feel better (okay for maybe a month or a year, if that) or for that matter prevent a reoccurence. If Catelynn had left well enough alone..and Ned had as well, most of the other deaths would have been avoided.
The ironic bit - is Bran doesn't even remember Jamie pushing him and if he does, doesn't care. And the crime that Ned and Catelynn are attempting to convict Tyrion or Jamie on is not the one Jamie did - but the attempted murder.
I actually love how the Stark's and the reader believe the three crimes are linked leading everyone on a wild goose chase that ends in bloodshed: Aryn's death, Bran's fall, and attempted murder of Bran. On it's face - it looks like Jamie and Ceresi's secret is the link. But it isn't at all. In fact the three crimes aren't even linked. Jon Arryn was not killed because of what he knew regarding Cersei and Jamie. Someone did not attempt to kill Bran because of what he might do nor was the murderer doing it for either Cersei or Jamie in the books. In both those instances, the murderer either did not care about Jamie and Cersei's secret or they didn't know. Realistic and deftly done. Often there is no pattern, even if our minds insist there's one.
And I was thinking today that I'm not even sure that I remember how Robert was killed correctly... which seems like a weird thing to forget, except by the time we were given the answer (a book later) it just didn't matter all that much.
Felt much the same way. What matters is the chain reaction caused by his death.
I do know how he dies and who kills him (I'm guessing this will happen in either next week's episode or the one shortly after it)- which is ironic in a way. His death is. People do pay for their crimes in these books but in an indirect manner and a long time after their crime (so long in fact that we often have forgotten it or think it's moot). Cersei gets her comeuppance in Feast of Crows. Very karmic world. Vicerys death is an example of that, as is King Robert's. Actually all the death's have an oddly karmic feel to them. You reap what you sow, etc.
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Date: 2011-05-24 04:37 pm (UTC)He does - to Tyrion in Storm. I can't remember if he does to Brienne or Catelynn.
Martin does a good job of demonstrating how holding grudges and seeking vengeance and/or justice often makes things far worse for the seeker than... not doing so. It's all good and well to do the old "eye for and eye" routine, but seriously when does it stop? It doesn't change what happened. It doesn't bring the person back. And it doesn't really make any one feel better (okay for maybe a month or a year, if that) or for that matter prevent a reoccurence. If Catelynn had left well enough alone..and Ned had as well, most of the other deaths would have been avoided.
The ironic bit - is Bran doesn't even remember Jamie pushing him and if he does, doesn't care. And the crime that Ned and Catelynn are attempting to convict Tyrion or Jamie on is not the one Jamie did - but the attempted murder.
I actually love how the Stark's and the reader believe the three crimes are linked leading everyone on a wild goose chase that ends in bloodshed: Aryn's death, Bran's fall, and attempted murder of Bran. On it's face - it looks like Jamie and Ceresi's secret is the link. But it isn't at all. In fact the three crimes aren't even linked. Jon Arryn was not killed because of what he knew regarding Cersei and Jamie. Someone did not attempt to kill Bran because of what he might do nor was the murderer doing it for either Cersei or Jamie in the books. In both those instances, the murderer either did not care about Jamie and Cersei's secret or they didn't know. Realistic and deftly done.
Often there is no pattern, even if our minds insist there's one.
And I was thinking today that I'm not even sure that I remember how Robert was killed correctly... which seems like a weird thing to forget, except by the time we were given the answer (a book later) it just didn't matter all that much.
Felt much the same way. What matters is the chain reaction caused by his death.
I do know how he dies and who kills him (I'm guessing this will happen in either next week's episode or the one shortly after it)- which is ironic in a way. His death is. People do pay for their crimes in these books but in an indirect manner and a long time after their crime (so long in fact that we often have forgotten it or think it's moot). Cersei gets her comeuppance in Feast of Crows. Very karmic world. Vicerys death is an example of that, as is King Robert's. Actually all the death's have an oddly karmic feel to them. You reap what you sow, etc.