I was interested in your theory that the marketing people were propagating the theory that Angel was Buffy's one true love \
This is the reason I won't buy any of the Buffy merchandise, Fox authorized novelizations by Nancy Holder et all, etc. All of them without exception promote the B/A romance as true love - not just true love, but the true love to beat all true loves. The teen girl's dream. If you want to write a novel based on Buffy and get it published - the rules state that you have to keep her feelings for Spike ambiguous and show she loves Angel still. I kid you not. This is not by the way Whedon's dictate - it is Fox's. Want to know why Whedon never got an emmy? Why Buffy wasn't taken seriously? Because it was marketed to teen girls solely. It's all about how the thing is packaged. Check the packaging - S7 - they have Buffy kissing Angel on the box? Wtf?? It was a ten second scene. Cordy kisses Angel in Angel S5 - but it is not on the packaging. Spike kisses her - not on the packaging. Fan mags? Same deal. The interviewers? all B/A shippers.
Of course JKR is going for the obvious/simplistic route for her main characters, but she wants to pair them off for a happily ever after where they can all be a part of the same warm extended family.
You mean Harry Potter? Oh I wouldn't count on that. Two main characters are slated to die, beloved characters, in the last book. I would not put it past Rowlings, who is now a multi-billionaire to kill Hermoine, Harry, Ginny, or Ron off just for kicks.
Anyway, the person causing the trouble over at Whedonesque was also a B/A shipper, beating the 'Spike as rapist' dead horse.
Gee why doesn't that surprise me? I swear they give Buffy fans a bad name.
I always laugh when people go on and on about Spike as a rapist. Because they are forgetting a few key things:1) Spike did not go through with it, she got him off her. So, he did not commit rape - in fact he didn't do anything worse than Angelus did. 2) he did not try to kill her or attempt it again - he definitely could have, she had no weapons and was completely vulnerable in that bathroom. 3) he went to get a soul immediately afterward to ensure he wouldn't do it again and spent the first five episodes of the seventh season beating himself to a pulp over it (Willow had to curse Angelus with one, twice)- which is more remorse than Angel ever showed for his behavior towards Buffy in S2 - all we got was Amends and in that episode he was only upset about what he did to Jenny.
I mean the writers literally hit us over the head with how bad a dude Angelus - that's why Angel is cursed, it wasn't Angelus is bad, Angel is good. It's Angelus is Angel without a conscience otherwise the story isn't that interesting and Angel's quest for redemption is pointless.
This is why I avoided most of the fan sites and would only visit sights which were free of the B/A crap.
Every popular fan board was run by Angelshippers and B/A shippers. Half my flist is B/A and Angel shippers. Annoying. Several of them really hate Spike and hated Spuffy even more. I wonder at times what they've been smoking and I'm certain they wonder the same thing about me.
Not that I want Buffy to marry Spike either (personally I never found their sex to be that romantic, it was sexy...but not IMO romantic.
I think that's what I liked about it. I've got to confess, I'm not a fan of romance. Don't like the sappy stuff, find it silly and fake. And have long since grown bored of romance novels. I like spark, banter, and foreplay in my fiction and fantasy. Seduction. Fighting. In my *fantasy* not reality. I keep the two separate.
I'm not interested in seeing Buffy marry anyone. I don't want to watch or read the adventures of Buffy and her hubby and kids. I can't identify with it and would like to have at least one story that does not end with girl becoming a wife and mother. Why not let her live a single life? Why does she have to have a man to be happy? Or sex? You don't need those things. People are so silly. They think a character is miserable if they don't have a hubby and kids or a wife and kids. Trust me, they aren't. Sometimes you are happier without them.
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Date: 2007-04-07 11:50 pm (UTC)This is the reason I won't buy any of the Buffy merchandise, Fox authorized novelizations by Nancy Holder et all, etc. All of them without exception promote the B/A romance as true love - not just true love, but the true love to beat all true loves. The teen girl's dream. If you want to write a novel based on Buffy and get it published - the rules state that you have to keep her feelings for Spike ambiguous and show she loves Angel still. I kid you not. This is not by the way Whedon's dictate - it is Fox's. Want to know why Whedon never got an emmy? Why Buffy wasn't taken seriously? Because it was marketed to teen girls solely. It's all about how the thing is packaged. Check the packaging - S7 - they have Buffy kissing Angel on the box? Wtf?? It was a ten second scene. Cordy kisses Angel in Angel S5 - but it is not on the packaging. Spike kisses her - not on the packaging. Fan mags? Same deal. The interviewers? all B/A shippers.
Of course JKR is going for the obvious/simplistic route for her main characters, but she wants to pair them off for a happily ever after where they can all be a part of the same warm extended family.
You mean Harry Potter? Oh I wouldn't count on that. Two main characters are slated to die, beloved characters, in the last book.
I would not put it past Rowlings, who is now a multi-billionaire to kill Hermoine, Harry, Ginny, or Ron off just for kicks.
Anyway, the person causing the trouble over at Whedonesque was also a B/A shipper, beating the 'Spike as rapist' dead horse.
Gee why doesn't that surprise me? I swear they give Buffy fans a bad name.
I always laugh when people go on and on about Spike as a rapist. Because they are forgetting a few key things:1) Spike did not go through with it, she got him off her. So, he did not commit rape - in fact he didn't do anything worse than Angelus did. 2) he did not try to kill her or attempt it again - he definitely could have, she had no weapons and was completely vulnerable in that bathroom. 3) he went to get a soul immediately afterward to ensure he wouldn't do it again and spent the first five episodes of the seventh season beating himself to a pulp over it (Willow had to curse Angelus with one, twice)- which is more remorse than Angel ever showed for his behavior towards Buffy in S2 - all we got was Amends and in that episode he was only upset about what he did to Jenny.
I mean the writers literally hit us over the head with how bad a dude Angelus - that's why Angel is cursed, it wasn't Angelus is bad, Angel is good. It's Angelus is Angel without a conscience otherwise the story isn't that interesting and Angel's quest for redemption is pointless.
This is why I avoided most of the fan sites and would only visit sights which were free of the B/A crap.
Every popular fan board was run by Angelshippers and B/A shippers. Half my flist is B/A and Angel shippers. Annoying. Several of them really hate Spike and hated Spuffy even more. I wonder at times what they've been smoking and I'm certain they wonder the same thing about me.
Not that I want Buffy to marry Spike either (personally I never found their sex to be that romantic, it was sexy...but not IMO romantic.
I think that's what I liked about it. I've got to confess, I'm not a fan of romance. Don't like the sappy stuff, find it silly and fake.
And have long since grown bored of romance novels. I like spark, banter, and foreplay in my fiction and fantasy. Seduction. Fighting.
In my *fantasy* not reality. I keep the two separate.
I'm not interested in seeing Buffy marry anyone. I don't want to watch or read the adventures of Buffy and her hubby and kids. I can't identify with it and would like to have at least one story that does not end with girl becoming a wife and mother. Why not let her live a single life? Why does she have to have a man to be happy? Or sex?
You don't need those things. People are so silly. They think a character is miserable if they don't have a hubby and kids or a wife and kids. Trust me, they aren't. Sometimes you are happier without them.