So...Lost? Random thoughts..

[shadowkat]

Works slow which is making me edgy. I don't do slow well. I like to be crazy busy. Most people just wander about and chat with folks, which I can do a little of...before feeling quilty for distracting them from their work and running out of stuff to talk about. This will be fast since at work.

Anywho...Lost?

Is that a cliff-hanger or what? And now we have to wait eight frigging months?
Also...



Please not Juliet. Just when I was beginning to love the character to pieces.
Also, she appears to be the only one that Jacob did not visit, along with Benjamin Linus. (Yes, I'm a Juliet/Sawyer fan. Also a Bernard/Rose fan. The only two romantic relationships I've seen depicted on a sci-fantasy series that actually are healthy/supportive and work for the long-term.)

Jacob and Conrad or God and the Devil playing Chess in the book of Job - at least that's what came to mind. Seems Conrad finally found his loop-hole to kill Jacob, question is - will what Jack and his companions do in the past undo it all?

This thing can go down two ways - one they reset the dang clock and cause a parrallel universe or two they cause what actually happened.

Kudos to Miles for the best line of the night - "so, has it occurred to any of you that the bomb may actually set off the incident that you are attempting to avoid or change? That by setting off this bomb you may actually set everything in motion? And the best thing to have done would have been nothing at all? Glad to see you guys have thought this through."

So the writers deliberately tell us the two options. 1) they reset the button
2.) they kill everyone on the island and cause the events that happened in the future, ie the plane crash

We may be given a clue by the state that the statue is in - it is destroyed with just a foot. The question is when did it get destroyed? Not sure. May have been before the 1970s.

This season has been really good. Lots to ponder. And last night's episode rocked.

More thoughts later.

Comments

[atpolittlebit.livejournal.com]

Regarding Juliet, my response to that scene was "DAMN THEM!!" (meaning the writers).

Bernard and Rose always remind me of the older couples on soap operas back when they had older long-established couples that seemed to form the bedrock on which all the other drama took place.

And Juliet had evolved into my favorite character, the one I might actually want to know and be friends with. And I enjoyed the relationship she and Sawyer had developed, much the way I'd loved the one between Giles and Jenny on Buffy. And this is why I don't really ever have 'ships. They always kill them off.

I have to admit, I'm totally wondering which way the story will go, and given the way it's gone up to now I wouldn't be surprised if it goes toward option 3, which no one thought about. Of course, it's also crossed my mind that it would be hilariously evil to end it with a Victoria Principle voice-over: "Bobby? I had the oddest dream..."

[ponygirl2000.livejournal.com]

Lost was awesome, even though a large part of the action hinged on people doing what always bugs me on Lost: listening to Jack. Also the whole love quadrangle is just painful. Oh and I hate Kate. That being said - loved it!

I don't think they'll do a reset since that would mean wiping out the present day action on the island, but rather it will be like when Desmond blew up the Hatch and may knock the 1977 crowd back to the future. I'm hoping that might mean Juliet isn't dead but fear that isn't the case.

The Locke/Jacob/Ben stuff was so exciting, though I am sad that Locke is dead dead. At least we'll get Not!Locke as the big bad. I wonder if Jacob's enemy is like the First on Buffy and can only take the form of dead people - he could be responsible for Christian Shepherd and Claire.

Oh how can I wait so long!!

[2maggie2.livejournal.com]

Jacob not visiting Juliet does make me think that's it for her. Also wearing a red shirt. Never good to wear a red shirt. If she really is dead they had better do something good with it -- cause I'm right there with you on Juliet/Sawyer, and she's been the most likeable of the bunch for some time.

If it turns out that Jack really was right to try to get a do over I'm not going to be a happy camper.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Bernard and Rose always remind me of the older couples on soap operas back when they had older long-established couples that seemed to form the bedrock on which all the other drama took place.

Yep. And like in the soap operas they remain safe. Never be killed, never broken up. If you want to ship a couple? Always go for this one. Of course they also get relatively no screentime. (Still appear in soaps by the way, just less often.
Because writers are evil and like conflict, so do fans apparently. )

And Juliet had evolved into my favorite character, the one I might actually want to know and be friends with. And I enjoyed the relationship she and Sawyer had developed, much the way I'd loved the one between Giles and Jenny on Buffy. And this is why I don't really ever have 'ships. They always kill them off.

Me too. Dang writers. Speculation was either they'd kill her off or let her and Sawyer get married on the beach. (I was sort of hoping for option 2, but Lost is a psychological horror series - sort of like Fringe is..so option 2, so not going to happen.) Sawyer and Juliet were in some respects the counter to Jack/Kate. Just as Giles/Jenny were the counter to Buffy/Angel.
(Actually Jack reminds me a lot Angel as a character..same Daddy issues.) In horror shows - the happy couple is always torn apart by a tragic death, while the not-so-happy/passionate/but angsty couple - lives on to torment one another as well as tease the audience endlessly.

Sigh. This is why I don't do ships or don't allow myself to become too emotionally invested in ships. (I don't, I may read fanfic on them, and analyze them, but if they end - c'est la vie.) Much simpler to get invested in characters, although that is also disastorous in ensemble serial horror tv shows - where writers like to kill people off. Although with Lost, I tend be generally ambivalent...except dang, Juliet. I was right there with Sawyer trying to get her to hold on. Thing of it is, if she'd died last season - I wouldn't have cared. This season - she really grew on me. Sawyer and her brought out the best in each other.

I have to admit, I'm totally wondering which way the story will go, and given the way it's gone up to now I wouldn't be surprised if it goes toward option 3, which no one thought about. Of course, it's also crossed my mind that it would be hilariously evil to end it with a Victoria Principle voice-over: "Bobby? I had the oddest dream..."

I doubt we'll get the dream bit - been way overdone, to the point of becoming a cliche, and they'd get skewered. It just about killed Dallas. The only shows it worked in was Newhart and St. Elsewhere.

Option 3 is a possibility. It's hard to do well though. Option 3 is where you don't change everything, just certain odd bits, which causes the time line to be well different, as seen in the Back to the Future flick. It's the same, but not. (ie. They still end up on the island, there's still a plane crash, but Boone doesn't die, Locke is killed instead or something like that.) Very hard to pull off without confusing your audience.

Am curious though - there's more than one possibility. They've teased us with at least two.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Lost was awesome, even though a large part of the action hinged on people doing what always bugs me on Lost: listening to Jack. Also the whole love quadrangle is just painful. Oh and I hate Kate. That being said - loved it!

Overall, I'm pretty ambivalent when it comes to Kate and Jack.
Don't really feel much either way. If it had been Kate who died last night? I'd have shrugged. Jack? Same deal. (Dang, wish they killed Kate instead of Juliet...but I knew that would never happen.) The quadrangle was a tad annoying, since it is clear that if Sawyer had to choose? He'd pick Juliet in a heartbeat, unlike Kate, Juliet has always had his back and doesn't judge him. Juliet/Sawyer were the anti-Kate/Jack, hence her death, dang-it. Much more fun to torment us with more Sawyer/Kate/Jack action...ugh.

But, that said? At least it made sense they listened to Jack.
He's the "shepard" after all, so they follow him, with the possible exception of Rose/Bernard who are ignoring him. Poor Sawyer wanted to go against him. (Loved that fight).

I don't think they'll do a reset since that would mean wiping out the present day action on the island, but rather it will be like when Desmond blew up the Hatch and may knock the 1977 crowd back to the future. I'm hoping that might mean Juliet isn't dead but fear that isn't the case.

Agreed. I'm thinking that what they did in the past may release them back to the future. Juliet may end up in the future, wounded. But whatever they did also caused what happens in the future - ie. the plane crash, the button that requires pushing, etc. Which would be ironically amusing. Sayid and Jack creates Ben Linus by shooting him/refusing to operate. Jack causes the plane crash by blowing up the bomb in the past in the hopes of preventing it. Hee. Jack? It was your destiny to crash land a bunch of people on the island and by refusing to operate on Ben, cause him to become who he is. If you'd acted differently, life would be great.


The Locke/Jacob/Ben stuff was so exciting, though I am sad that Locke is dead dead. At least we'll get Not!Locke as the big bad. I wonder if Jacob's enemy is like the First on Buffy and can only take the form of dead people - he could be responsible for Christian Shepherd and Claire.

Agree!

Wonder if Conrad was the guy in the cabin that Lock and Ben visited, who sent everything flying around, and whispered "help me, Lock, help me". It would be ironic if the person Ben was listening to all this time, the one who visited him as his mother, was in fact Conrad. If smokey the monster and Conrad are linked? Sort of like the First, but more substantial and far more manipulative? Also not necessarily "evil"? Just not good?

Ugh. Eight months is far too long. Was thinking last night this is one of those shows, I almost wish I could just have rented or bought all the seasons on DVD.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Jacob not visiting Juliet does make me think that's it for her. Also wearing a red shirt. Never good to wear a red shirt. If she really is dead they had better do something good with it -- cause I'm right there with you on Juliet/Sawyer, and she's been the most likeable of the bunch for some time.

Agreed. They better make it count. Although they did have her be the one who made the bomb go off. But I need a bit more than that. Loved Juliet/Sawyer, and loved Juliet. Wanted to find out more.

But you are right - the fact that Jacob didn't visit her, that she and Sawyer were devoted to each other, and the red shirt thing (which I didn't pick up on) - she's dead. (Also, Elizabeth Mitchell is in another series next year or slated to be in one - which never bodes well. )

If it turns out that Jack really was right to try to get a do over I'm not going to be a happy camper.

Right there with you...except for one thing, if it means that Juliet lives? I'm okay with it. Up until the point she got pulled in the well and sent to her doom - I was thinking, no reset, no reset! Then wham, okay, a reset wouldn't be soo bad.
LOL!

That said? I can't see them doing that. It goes against the thematic framework of the story. Jack is never right and often causes the exact opposite of what he wants on the island. Way to hell is paved with the best of intentions...and so forth.
He reminds me a lot of Angel in Angel the Series - always trying to fulfill a higher purpose, get his father's approval or rebel, always with great intentions, the leader - but he leads everyone to their doom. To do an about face now...would go against the story, I think. It's a horror tale, with anti-hero characters...

They could hit the reset and have things turn out horribly for everyone. Such as the plane crashes anyhow, but ends up at the bottom of the ocean with everyone dead (of course then we wouldn't have another season), or they end up at LAX but their lives go miserably..and they all feel lost in them.

Or that Jack did what was necessary to throw them back to their correct time - which means he was right to do it. That would annoy me. But again, it sort of goes against the whole nature of being "lost". The theme of being lost - seems to be what is central to this series.

[masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com]

People always want the free will option, but when that happens and time travel is involved, it always screws up the story we have been watching for years and years.

I prefer the slightly fatalistic tack they've been taking on Lost, where it's not so much a lack of free will, as people just being who they are, and in doing so, create the future we've already seen.

[2maggie2.livejournal.com]

Juliet being alive would take the sting off Jack being right -- but the scenario where he's right and she's still dead is a possibility: the worst of all possible worlds.

I agree with you that it wouldn't make sense against the thematic framework of the story. OTOH, I'm not fully convinced that the plot isn't way more important to the show's creators than the thematics. And if the thematics are important there's still the possibility that the field is supposed to invert now that they are heading towards their "found" destinies. So I'm more than a little worried that I'm going to end up rather grumpy about all of this.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

The fact that they decided to do a time change that sent the current star trek film into an alternate universe - makes me wonder me wonder if your distrust may not be on target. Also Alias in the final seasons did...let's just say, jump off target to fit crazy plot twists as opposed to theme. It's hard to trust Abrahams. I trust Whedon to stick to theme far more.

But...it doesn't fit the pattern of the story or the plot to date - which has consistently shown us that no matter what the characters do they are doomed to end up where they currently are. Also - the title is "lost", so unless they can do the reset in such a way that the stories would still center on that theme, and the island would still factor in...

Plus we got what is happening in the future that they went out of their way to create. To unravel that..

Sigh. I think if they did, then it would be huge mistake, a jump the shark moment - which they already did in I think Season 2 or 3, and went to the network begging and pleading for an end date so they could write a story that had a conclusion, was well plotted, and thematically cohesive, without the jump the shark moments.

So, I'm thinking...that if they do do the reset, it may not be what we think - it may be option three, a few things changed, but not the central one - the plane crash still happens, just..a few events have changed?