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shadowkat1. The Top 10 Cruelest Things Joss Whedon Has Done to His Characters - actually more likely the top 10 cruelest things Joss Whedon has done to his diehard fanbase. If you read the 10 things, you'll understand the "diehard" adjective. And proof Whedon is a sadistic horror writer not a happy go-lucky romantic comedy fantasy writer...although you'd think people would have figured that out on their own by now. He's no Kevin Williamson folks. He wants his fans to bleed! Although...I don't know the degree to which Whedon was responsible for how they choose to film the infamous Spike/Buffy sequence in Seeing Red (which they chose to put in the previews to every episode up to and including Never Leave Me...damn them.) It has got to be the hardest thing to watch on TV that I've seen. And she's never raped. Nothing really happens. He attacks her, she pushes him off. No pentration. Zippo. But boy did they shoot it in a way that...was incredibly painful to everyone who saw it or performed it. That episode, which one guy on the ATPO board famously stated, had something to offend literally everyone and you could literally write a whole thesis on responsibility in television, and whether you should be careful in how you tell and relate stories.
2. This review of the Avengers...fascinated me: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/09/how-the-avengers-movie-is-like-a-musical/
Me: The reviewer states that he/she has issues with The Avengers because it has mainly action scenes and not that many interpersonal dialogue sequences like the comics, and in this way it reminds them of a musical. Because in the comic books they ignore the action sequences which they don't like and focus on the dialogue, and in musicals, they hate the singing and ignore that.
Momster: WHAT??? How can you enjoy a musical and hate the singing???
Me: Well...you could just focus on the dancing like in Flashdance -
Momster: Flashdance isn't a musical, it's a dance movie.
Me: I admit it is hard to wrap one's brain around. I mean it would sort of be like going to an Opera and being upset that it is just singing. I mean the Avenger's trailer does tell you it is an action movie with the main point being the battles.
Momster: It's like my mother...she always hated movies where people just burst out in song.
ME: Well to be fair to the reviewer they do admit that they were expecting a different movie than the one they got...although you'd think they'd have figured that out from the various reviews and trailers on the film. It's not like it was a secret that the film was an action movie.
Sort of ...reminds me of another conversation...
CW: If you actually saw a good opera, you would understand why musicals aren't that good.
Me: Probably not, I like the dance numbers and the story. It's not just the songs or music.
Also...I like to be able to understand lyrics..."ahhhhahhhhhriaaahh" doesn't do much for me.
But it does boggle the mind.
Literary Reviewer: How can anyone like 50 Shades of Grey - it's mainly sex scenes with a romance, nothing major happens, there's no angst, there's no perfection of style - it's not literary.
ME: Well, it's not supposed to be. It's erotica, hello. Basically porn with plot, albeit more plot than would think. And pure fantasy. The writer isn't trying to be the next Virginia Woolfe or even Edith Wharton or Anais Nin for that matter, she's just writing down her sexual fantasy and selling it.
NY Times Reviewer: The Avengers is an empty-headed action flick mainly interested in great fight scenes, comedic dialogue and nothing that deep.
ME: Well yeah, your point is?? I mean, hello, the trailer sort of tells you that.
Seriously, can't we just enjoy pulp for being pulp? I don't know about you - but I work hard for a living, I like to lose myself for a bit in cotton candy for the brain. As do a lot of people apparently. Stupid critics have too much time on their hands.
2. This review of the Avengers...fascinated me: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/09/how-the-avengers-movie-is-like-a-musical/
Me: The reviewer states that he/she has issues with The Avengers because it has mainly action scenes and not that many interpersonal dialogue sequences like the comics, and in this way it reminds them of a musical. Because in the comic books they ignore the action sequences which they don't like and focus on the dialogue, and in musicals, they hate the singing and ignore that.
Momster: WHAT??? How can you enjoy a musical and hate the singing???
Me: Well...you could just focus on the dancing like in Flashdance -
Momster: Flashdance isn't a musical, it's a dance movie.
Me: I admit it is hard to wrap one's brain around. I mean it would sort of be like going to an Opera and being upset that it is just singing. I mean the Avenger's trailer does tell you it is an action movie with the main point being the battles.
Momster: It's like my mother...she always hated movies where people just burst out in song.
ME: Well to be fair to the reviewer they do admit that they were expecting a different movie than the one they got...although you'd think they'd have figured that out from the various reviews and trailers on the film. It's not like it was a secret that the film was an action movie.
Sort of ...reminds me of another conversation...
CW: If you actually saw a good opera, you would understand why musicals aren't that good.
Me: Probably not, I like the dance numbers and the story. It's not just the songs or music.
Also...I like to be able to understand lyrics..."ahhhhahhhhhriaaahh" doesn't do much for me.
But it does boggle the mind.
Literary Reviewer: How can anyone like 50 Shades of Grey - it's mainly sex scenes with a romance, nothing major happens, there's no angst, there's no perfection of style - it's not literary.
ME: Well, it's not supposed to be. It's erotica, hello. Basically porn with plot, albeit more plot than would think. And pure fantasy. The writer isn't trying to be the next Virginia Woolfe or even Edith Wharton or Anais Nin for that matter, she's just writing down her sexual fantasy and selling it.
NY Times Reviewer: The Avengers is an empty-headed action flick mainly interested in great fight scenes, comedic dialogue and nothing that deep.
ME: Well yeah, your point is?? I mean, hello, the trailer sort of tells you that.
Seriously, can't we just enjoy pulp for being pulp? I don't know about you - but I work hard for a living, I like to lose myself for a bit in cotton candy for the brain. As do a lot of people apparently. Stupid critics have too much time on their hands.
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Date: 2012-05-23 04:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-05-23 10:20 pm (UTC)http://aycheb.livejournal.com/118583.html
who compares it to a song and dance musical.
All super hero movies are like musicals, I didn’t grow up with comic books but I know a good production number when I see one. The question isn’t whether but which one. If Iron Man were The Music Man and The Dark Knight Rises, A Star is Born, I think The Avengers is 42nd Street. For one thing the Hulk would be perfect as a better coordinated Ruby Keeler going into the big fight a green (yes I went there), untried, youngster and coming back a star. Tony Stark can be Anytime Annie and Nick Fury Busby Berkley but whoever’s who, the Avengers is above all a “putting on a show” kind of show. A big show, a professional show, not just Micky and Judy in a barn right here. A show that opens in New York, a show with conviction, a show to die for. A show that takes up an explosive 20 minutes of the final act, features an entire city’s worth of chorines and doesn’t bomb (yes, I went there too).
Which...is an interesting perspective.