Thank you - for picking up on the things I completely forgot about in the books. (In my defense, I read Clash way back in 2004.).
I do rather wish they'd managed to get in the prophecies she hears about-- I reread that section of the book last night and it talks about three fires, three mounts, and three betrayals, which were all nice little bits of foreshadowing. (The visions in the book also foreshadow some other events, like the Red Wedding, but they're less important to Dany specifically so I understand why they cut them out.)
Very hard to do prophecies well on tv shows without a)spoiling the audience, and b) confusing the audience or disrupting the action. GoT has so many story threads...and a limited time period to do them, that doing the prophecies...was a luxury they couldn't afford - also it's hard to do well. Don't blame them for dropping it. I do vaguely remember the betrayal three times, but the gypsey woman told her the same thing. So they did sort of already do that one.
I may be wrong...but my guess is that Dany and Jon Snow are Martin's end game. His Ice and Fire. There's a lot of foreshadowing on it. And the story appears to be their mutual coming of age tale or journey towards becoming a strong and fair leader.
I do wish they'd gone a bit more into Jon Snow's story-- in the books Qhorin Halfhand made it very clear that he wanted Jon to defect to the wildlings because there was no other way that the Watch would ever know what they were planning. I wish they'd made that a bit clearer in the show, right now it just looks like Jon is fumbling around with no idea what he's doing rather than going in with a plan (and slowly getting seduced by the lifestyle anyway).
Agreed. This was handled poorly. One of the few things I liked about Jon's tale in the books was that he was had been told to infilterate the Wildlings and was struggling with his loyalties and he deliberately kills Q'uorin to infiltrate them. Here - that's not clear at all and it looks like he's just struggling to survive and isn't sure who to trust or where his loyalties should be. He comes across as less smart and less likable here as a result.
Osha was always a wildling, but the books featured two additional characters, Jojen and his sister, who were the green tree people. In the books the characters split up-- Osha took Rickon off... somewhere, and Bran went with Hodor and Jojen and headed north, to look for the three-eyed crow. It'll be interesting if the series keeps them all together.
So that's what happened with Rickon? I could not remember. He just disappeared. But apparently it happened in Clash. Wonder if they plan are breaking them up in Storm and Jojen and his sister, who is adept with arrows (and one of my favorite characters) will be introduced later? Or have they merged the sister and Osha? I don't remember Osha, just Jojen and his sister and Hodor.
Agree on the rest...although I think they have to have Shae betray him, because that's what leads to other events...
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Date: 2012-06-17 11:04 pm (UTC)I do rather wish they'd managed to get in the prophecies she hears about-- I reread that section of the book last night and it talks about three fires, three mounts, and three betrayals, which were all nice little bits of foreshadowing. (The visions in the book also foreshadow some other events, like the Red Wedding, but they're less important to Dany specifically so I understand why they cut them out.)
Very hard to do prophecies well on tv shows without a)spoiling the audience, and b) confusing the audience or disrupting the action. GoT has so many story threads...and a limited time period to do them, that doing the prophecies...was a luxury they couldn't afford - also it's hard to do well. Don't blame them for dropping it. I do vaguely remember the betrayal three times, but the gypsey woman told her the same thing. So they did sort of already do that one.
I may be wrong...but my guess is that Dany and Jon Snow are Martin's end game. His Ice and Fire. There's a lot of foreshadowing on it. And the story appears to be their mutual coming of age tale or journey towards becoming a strong and fair leader.
I do wish they'd gone a bit more into Jon Snow's story-- in the books Qhorin Halfhand made it very clear that he wanted Jon to defect to the wildlings because there was no other way that the Watch would ever know what they were planning. I wish they'd made that a bit clearer in the show, right now it just looks like Jon is fumbling around with no idea what he's doing rather than going in with a plan (and slowly getting seduced by the lifestyle anyway).
Agreed. This was handled poorly. One of the few things I liked about Jon's tale in the books was that he was had been told to infilterate the Wildlings and was struggling with his loyalties and he deliberately kills Q'uorin to infiltrate them. Here - that's not clear at all and it looks like he's just struggling to survive and isn't sure who to trust or where his loyalties should be. He comes across as less smart and less likable here as a result.
Osha was always a wildling, but the books featured two additional characters, Jojen and his sister, who were the green tree people. In the books the characters split up-- Osha took Rickon off... somewhere, and Bran went with Hodor and Jojen and headed north, to look for the three-eyed crow. It'll be interesting if the series keeps them all together.
So that's what happened with Rickon? I could not remember. He just disappeared. But apparently it happened in Clash. Wonder if they plan are breaking them up in Storm and Jojen and his sister, who is adept with arrows (and one of my favorite characters) will be introduced later? Or have they merged the sister and Osha? I don't remember Osha, just Jojen and his sister and Hodor.
Agree on the rest...although I think they have to have Shae betray him, because that's what leads to other events...
I like Shae better here. She's more complex.