Eh...New Zealand is looking better all the time...

[shadowkat]

A week after the US Congress negotiated a truce, so the US did not default and send the world economy slowly spiraling downwards into an economic depression. (What a lot of people didn't understand, i.e. Ron Paul and his Tea Party cronies, is that it would not have happened immediately...any more than Black Friday in 2008 immediately caused a recession - it's the ripple effect.) The US is busy trying to appease its allies, actually I should amend that the US and Britain are trying to appease their allies. Apparently the British and the US spied on Europe together? OR did Britain just agree to spy on Italy? Anyhow that's what I was able to ascertain from a rather interesting NY Times article on the topic. France and Germany are furious, and this stopped trade talks until a solution could be negotiated. (Don't blame them.) I'd love to be listening to the negotiations. Negotiation fascinates me. Because in order to work effectively - both sides must feel like they've won. If they don't, they can't work together. A lot of people do not appear to understand that - and make it adversarial. It should never be adversarial, although of course it is.

From the NY Times :http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/26/world/europe/fallout-over-american-spying-revelations.html?_r=0

Fury over reports that American intelligence had monitored the cellphone of Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany spread from there to other European leaders a day earlier and prompted calls to suspend trade talks with the United States.

The concerns could spread with the publication in The Guardian newspaper of a report that as long ago as October 2006, the National Security Agency had been eavesdropping on the telephone conversations of 35 world leaders. The assertion emerged in what the newspaper described as a classified document leaked by the former N.S.A. intelligence contractor Edward J. Snowden.

The article did not identify the leaders but said their phone numbers had been provided by other American officials in response to a request from the N.S.A. to share their contacts with intelligence gatherers.

In Brussels, seeking to rebuild trust among the longstanding allies, Ms. Merkel told an early-morning news conference that a pact should be agreed by the end of the year ending the kind of surveillance that was made public as part of the disclosure of documents harvested by Mr. Snowden.

The aim is to “come to a common understanding of the services between the United States and Germany and France so that we put down a framework for cooperation,” Ms. Merkel said after European Union leaders ended a first day of talks.

In a joint statement, the 28 European Union leaders at the two-day summit meeting “took note of the intention of France and Germany to seek bilateral talks” with the United States. The leaders also “noted that other E.U. countries are welcome to join this initiative,” which they said “underlined the close relationship between Europe and the U.S.A. and the value of that partnership.”

The revelations about the eavesdropping on Ms. Merkel follow reports of extensive American electronic surveillance in France and suggestions that American and British intelligence services monitored and are probably still monitoring Italian telecommunications networks.

But in a further sign of a willingness to defuse the dispute, Ms. Merkel said at the news conference that the leaders meeting in Brussels had not talked about interrupting negotiations with the United States to reach a landmark trade deal aimed at reducing tariffs and aligning regulations.

“I always take the view that when you leave the room, you have to always contemplate how to get back in again,” said Ms. Merkel, referring to the importance of keeping the trade talks going. “In such a tense situation, such talks may be even more important than usual.”

Asked whether she wanted an apology from the United States, Ms. Merkel said, “The most important thing at this juncture is to find a basis for the future” so that “trust can be rebuilt.” But she warned the United States that “words will not be sufficient” to make amends, adding, “It’s become clear for the future that things have to change, and they have to change radically.”

She also suggested that the door had been left open to a possible suspension of an agreement with the United States that allows it to track the finances of terrorist groups. Lawmakers at the European Parliament voted earlier this week to suspend the agreement because of suspicions that the United States authorities were tapping European citizens’ personal financial data.

That agreement is important to Washington because it allows the American authorities to continue having access to European banking data from a cooperative responsible for routing trillions of dollars daily among banks, brokerage houses, stock exchanges and other institutions. The cooperative, the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, or Swift, is based near Brussels. It provided the United States with personal data after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

“I have a certain understanding for the position of the European Parliament,” Ms. Merkel said. Approval by the European Union’s member states is required for the resolution to take effect.

Some European Union officials have seized on the latest revelations about United States snooping as a way to give new momentum to a fiercely contested proposal that could require American companies like Google and Yahoo to seek clearance from European officials before complying with United States warrants seeking private data.

The legislation would also seek to bolster privacy protection in Europe with fines that could run to billions of euros on the biggest technology companies if they fail to adhere to rules like those limiting the sharing of personal data.

The proposal has met with fierce opposition from business groups in the United States and Europe. Countries like Britain have pushed strongly to delay any final decision rather than endorse the deadline of spring 2014 called for by European Union officials and lawmakers to adopt the rules.

The British view appeared to have prevailed by Friday morning. In their statement, the 28 leaders agreed that it was “important to foster the trust of citizens and businesses in the digital economy,” but they said adopting the privacy rules by 2015 would be sufficient.

The information/techonology revolution apparently has its challenges just as the industrial revolution did? Is anyone else getting tired of the justification - "well, we have to do it in order to fight terrorism and protect everyone!" Here's the difficulty with fighting monsters - you got to be really careful that you do not become one in the process. Or rather fighting evil with evil is usually not that effective in the long term, and has some seriously nasty side-effects.

Another tidbit regarding the whole ripple effect concept, Obama being stuck in Washington fighting with Congress over the economy, hurt the US on the foreign policy front. There was an unintentional ripple effect. He missed the Asian Trade Talks, which were important. VERY important. Actually more important than this on-going and highly annoying argument over National Health Care, which admittedly is far from perfect. But instead of working together to make it better, people are futilely battling over ideologies.