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1. What I just finished reading?

The drakon trilogy by Shannon Abe, which included "The Smoke Thief", "The Dream Thief", and "The Queen of Dragons".

While she's good at witty dialogue, the writer sucks at plotting and structure. And while I adored "The Smoke Thief", the later two books don't quite work, in part because for some reason or other she feels this need to write a first person expository perspective that pops up intermittently in book. For example, first chapter (hero's pov), second chapter (heroine's pov), third chapter - brother's pov, fourth chapter -- some weird omniscient party commenting on everything in first person perspective. I thought it was the heroine for a bit, but then I realized it couldn't be, so I've really no idea. While certainly ambitious, it was mainly jarring and disruptive of the action, also added nothing to the story. I skimmed after a while.

The last book in the trilogy, Queen of Dragons, irritated me. There's a plot about the hero's brother (Rhys) and a little girl (Honor) being taken, and his sister (Lia) and her husband (Zane) (from the last novel) infiltrating the sanf ( the drakon hunter sect) in order to protect and save the sister's family of drakon. Also, the hero/heroine (Kit/Rue) from the first book have mysteriously disappeared without a trace -- to find the hero/heroine (Zane/Lia) from the second book. But...this plot sort of takes place off-page. And every once and awhile pops up. Also, there's subplot about the brother who was taken by the drakon hunters, Rhys, being in love with the heroine as well -- but this dropped when he's kidnapped. The heroine, Mari, finds him, but loses him when she's taken by the hunters, one of which is the hero from the previous book, Zane. Zane uses the Dramur or dreaming diamond to keep her from turning into a drakon. He's trying to keep everyone safe as a double-agent. But can't keep the sanf from torturing her. Before they do, she's rescued in dramatic fashion by the hero, Kimber. Kimber and Mari go back to Kimber's house, he recuperates, they swear their love for each other. The end.

And I'm thinking...okay, but what about Rhys, Zane, his wife, the missing girl Honor, the missing Marquess and Marchioness (the hero/heroine from the Smoke Thief).

Confused? Yeah, so was I. The damn book gave me a headache.

Like I said, bad plotting.

Also read a review in The Economist on a new book that I'd been flirting with by David Goodhart entitled The Road to Somewhere: The Populist Revolt and the Future of Politics is published by C Hurst & Co.

And realized, I sort of agree with the reviewer, although I admittedly have not read the book. But mainly I don't think I agree with either on the depiction of the divide or I find myself heavily questioning it - which would pose problems in reading the book. It could just piss me off. And I'm trying to avoid things that piss me off. (grins)

And of course, now the silly Economist won't let me access it again without subscribing so, I had to go to the Guardian and read its review. Which sort of agreed with the Economist, interestingly enough and I found myself agreeing with. (I like The Economist slightly better, because it's less emotionally charged, and more objective in its analysis, at least for the most part. But the Guardian is cheaper and easier to access, so there's that.)

He argues that the key faultline in Britain and elsewhere now separates those who come from Somewhere – rooted in a specific place or community, usually a small town or in the countryside, socially conservative, often less educated – and those who could come from Anywhere: footloose, often urban, socially liberal and university educated. He cites polling evidence to show that Somewheres make up roughly half the population, with Anywheres accounting for 20% to 25% and the rest classified as “Inbetweeners”.

I don't agree with this categorization. Too many generalizations. Although it may work in Britain, (or not according to the Guardian) it doesn't quite work here.

Let me try to explain.

My difficulty with post-election/post-Brexit analysis from both sides of the spectrum, is my own personal experiences with various people across the spectrum tends to sort of blow their theories apart. I was talking to my mother about this over the phone, she lives on a island populated by Anywhere's who voted for and in some cases supported Trump, while various family members are Somewhere's who voted for and in some cases supported Hillary and Bernie Sanders. My uncle, is an Anywhere (as part of his profession, he's never rooted much in one place), and a Catholic Priest, who voted for Trump because of the abortion issue. While his best friend, is also an Anywhere, and very liberal. My other uncle, far less educated, fits the Somewhere description, but despises Trump and would never have voted for him and is incredibly liberal. He does fit it in a lot of ways. And two other uncles, both military guys, hate technology, hate Trump, and fit the Somewhere depiction, would not have voted for Brexit or Trump.

I also work with people who defy the categories the writer has set up.

And even how Somewheres and Anywheres are defined doesn't entirely work, because I know people, including myself who are a combo of both - I guess we are in-betweeners? And, here's the thing some of that, you can't control. I didn't choose to move around as much as I did. I was talking to someone at work about it...I said, most people in Texas live their entire lives in Texas, unlike New Yorkers...than stopped, and said, no, wait, there are Long Islander's who've never left Long Island. And heck, I've lived here well on 20 years, hate moving, and have been known to stay in the same crappy apt as long as I can.

I have problems with the post-election and pre-election labeling, categorizing and name-calling. Just the other day, a co-worker was condemning everyone who voted for Trump as not educated or a critical thinker - and I don't think that is necessarily true, because I've met people and know people who did and are. A Iranian woman that I met in Costa Rica. Heck, many of the Syrian refugees were Trump supporters.

We want to paint the other in shades of black and ourselves in shades of white or vice versa, when in reality, I think we're more shades of pink, green, purple, and vermillion.

One of the things I've learned over the years is how incredibly easy it is to demonize people who think and act differently. And how incredibly unproductive and destructive that can be to everyone involved. I don't know about anyone else, but I need to do better. I think learning to be patient and to truly listen, regardless of what is said, might help. Even if, it can be incredibly hard at times -- like today, for example.

2. What I'm reading now?

Eh, a bunch of stuff.

* Let's Develop! by Fred Neuman -- basically a primer on social group psychology and emotional/creative developmental psychology

*White Hot by Illona Andrews

* Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman Script -- which I'm going to try to access on my ipad via email download.

And whatever else...catches my eye.

Date: 2017-06-01 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
I finished The Road to Somewhere a couple of weeks ago, and found it a very worthwhile book that was very insightful.

The first thing to say is that the book itself is far more nuanced than the reviews make it sound. This struck me within a few pages. I guess it is inevitable since reviews are brief and have to generalise. The book certainly does not believe that the entirety of the Somewhere/Anywhere divide is based in how much a person has moved around. They are names he uses to describe the strongest feature of outlook on life and where your sense of identity comes from. He also acknowledges the in-betweeners, which are as large or larger a category than the Anywheres.

Another note of caution is that his thesis is intended as a warning to the Anywheres that they have been in near hegemoniacal charge for a couple of decades and the Somewheres don't like it and are moving to take back control. The Guardian and the Economist could be described as the house magazines of Anywheredom, so it does not surprise me that their reviewers disliked the book - it is criticising exactly their outlook on life and threatening their own power.

He also acknowledges that it is based on Britain and may have less cogency elsewhere. There are certain features of our culture, such as the huge rise in university attendance, the dominance of London for professional employment opportunities, and the abysmal local transport links outside of London, which exacerbate the divide. The US has a different pattern in several key ways.

I would still recommend you read it.

I have problems with the post-election and pre-election labeling, categorizing and name-calling.

I found the book helped me understand the other side a lot, and that surely is the path to reduce the categorizing and name-calling. We fear what we do not understand. This book is designed to help Anywheres understand Somewheres, and vice-versa. It does not do so by forcing people into rigid categories but by exploring the huge range of interlocking factors and different life experiences that mould people's outlook on life. It is based on sound statistical analysis, but it is not forcing people into boxes.

I think learning to be patient and to truly listen, regardless of what is said, might help. Even if, it can be incredibly hard at times

I think so too. Both I and the reviewers I have read found this book helped not hindered that process. I certainly avoided any rows with my brother-in-law this time I saw him, which is the golden test for me :D
Edited (correct a typo) Date: 2017-06-01 04:53 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-06-02 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
Trust me, you do not want to live in the UK at the moment. We are currently going through a general election/referendum of existential importance for the fourth year running. I am a nervous wreck at the moment. They have all mattered but this one is particularly personal because if the country produces the wrong answer then my family will be homeless and I will probably never work again in the job I love. So seeing friends and acquaintances lean towards the wrong side is absolute torture. My only refuge of sanity is to try to understand why anyone could be so idiotic as to vote for what are clearly stupid and evil positions (in my current mood that is said only partly tongue in cheek) hence I read books like The Road to Somewhere and I try to understand the other side. But it is bloody hard work at times.

Date: 2017-06-03 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
It's not another referendum but another general election this time. Although come to think of it if we get the wrong outcome we will be getting yet another referendum and probably at least one more general election all in the next couple of years.

I just don't understand people. I give you a lot of credit for trying to understand the other side. I'd be screaming.

I am screaming but not as much as yesterday. Yesterday was a bad day for me, I'm not usually like that :)

Hoping for the best! And my prayers, for what they are worth, are with you.
Thank you very much.

Date: 2017-06-03 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
You just keep having elections until somehow it works out?

LOL. Not exactly. In our system the PM can call an election whenever they wish, although they can't wait longer than five years. But naturally they generally wait the full five years. However the very unusual circumstances of last year's Brexit referendum result meant Theresa May was left facing some very difficult and unprecedented political decisions with only a tiny majority, and without having a specific democratic mandate for the exact changes she needs to make, so she called a general election even though it is only two years since the last one.

So the last four years have been:
2014 Scottish Independence Referendum (i.e. possibly the whole country being split in two. I didn't have a vote in that one but it was agony to watch and wait)
2015 General Election (this was a normal scheduled election because the five years was up, it was very close and therefore agonising)
2016 Brexit Referendum (the most divisive and momentous political thing any of us have lived through, masses of people still haven't got over the result)
2017 General Election (to sort out the aftermath of Brexit, it was supposed to be a simple outcome but now the polls have narrowed so everyone is on edge again)
We could then have...
Another General Election (because if there is a close result this time, we might have to have another one, or even more than one)
Another Brexit Referendum (because if certain parties win they will demand a rerun)
Another Scottish Independence Referendum (because the Scots don't like the idea of leaving the EU)
A Northern Ireland Independence Referendum (because the politics over there seems to be trending that way)
and so on...

it's just pro-longed anxiety
I love politics but my nerves just can't take it. I've had to cut myself off from Twitter, Facebook and all news outlets until next week.

Here, we just live with the result. Even if it is insane.
Yes. That seems rather strange to me because it doesn't allow for a dramatic change of circumstances. Is there absolutely no way to call an early election? What about if both the president and vice-president die? But at the moment I would appreciate four years of calm even if it was just the under-secretary of shoe-polish left running the country.

Date: 2017-06-03 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
In the 1970s, Spiro Agnew, the VP, was impeached and removed, and they appointed Gerald Ford. When Nixon resigned, Gerald Ford became President and they appointed Nelson D. Rockerfeller as VP. Both appointed.

Oh that is close to the scenario they had in House of Cards! I didn't realise there was actually a precedent for that. I always assumed it had extra shock-factor because they were showing a loophole in your constitution, not something that had actually happened.

We're not really the democracy everyone thinks we are. We're a "Republic", which means that the popular vote doesn't elect the President and VP, the electoral college does or the majority vote in each state. And some states have more electoral college points than others. So it's not by "population" but by state. Which is how Trump won the election but lost the popular vote. And he lost the popular vote by one of the biggest margins in history. He doesn't have the mandate he thinks he does.

On the whole I admire your constitution and think it is incredibly robust and well designed. But in the past when I have asked 'why the electoral college system' I was always given the answer that it was to prevent a populist. Then you guys elected Trump and that excuse kind of crumbles away. So I am surprised there is not now pressure to dump the electoral colleges and switch to a direct one person one vote system. Or is that movement in fact happening and I just haven't picked up on it from this side of the pond?

N.B. I know you find politics stressful at the moment, the second you find this conversation stressful and want to stop it, just say and I will fully understand. I am enjoying talking to you but I can easily ask my questions elsewhere.
Edited Date: 2017-06-03 04:30 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-06-03 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
Oh yes, rural rights. I did actually know that once and I had forgotten. And really I ought to have remembered since I claim to care about rural rights!

Off to see the movie Wonder Woman!

A very sensible thing to do! I hope it lives up to your expectations. But if she regenerates as a man, prepare for some upset ;)

Date: 2017-06-04 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
I have to admit I had never heard of Wonder Woman until recently (I have pretty much zero knowledge of the whole comic genre, didn't even know they existed until I joined the Buffy fandom) is there some precedent for a British connection, or did they just think it an interesting twist?

Date: 2017-06-04 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
Andrew Jackson

I just googled him. Not nice :(

Hamilton -- the biography/history by Ron Chernow, upon which the musical was adapted, is basically about how the US came up with its electoral process and branches of government. It also shows our...topsy turvy history regarding politics.

Oh, this makes me want to actually see the musical. I hadn't realised that was what it was about.

Date: 2017-06-05 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ex_peasant441
Another example of why populist Presidents are bad ideas.

I am starting to think that we have to accept that democracy will occasionally produce populists. And maybe this is actually a good thing, because it is a release mechanism, akin to the immune system purging disease. Disease does build up in even the best political system, with the elite always inclined to harden into an oligarchy if they are not checked, and only proper free democracy can deal with that, but the purging mechanism that often arises is a populist. What is vital is that the underlying institutions are strong enough that the populist themself does not then morph into a dictator. The constitution of the German Weimar Republic was not strong enough. So far, the US constitution is giving every sign that it is.

Still wasn't resolved exactly and goes on today.
Which to my mind implies that there is no single fixed point that is ideal, and the very fact that there is still tension, and the exact balance of power can flow and change at need, is a strength of the system not a weakness. But then I always look at everything through an organic and ecological lens. I far prefer evolved systems to created ones :)

Thank you for the detailed explanation of the balances in your system. Some of it I knew but some is new to me. I always find that the more I find out about your system the more I admire it. It was given a good solid foundation in the original Constiutution, but my goodness what it has evolved into since is something truly remarkable.

I tried reading it all and got confused.
Our constitutions are very different in important ways. My experience of talking with Americans is that our system makes absolutely no sense to you guys and someone probably has to grow up with it to understand exactly how and why it works. Although to be honest plenty of people who grew up here don't understand it either. Our constitution is also not written down in one place so there is no simple thing like a Wikipedia page that can explain it.

in the UK, it appears to be more about the party's manifesto or platform and less about the individuals running
Yes, exactly correct. We don't elect leaders or parties but individual MPs. I do not have any ability to vote for Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn but only for who will be my own local MP. Only the people of Maidenhead (her constituency) can vote directly for May. The party with a majority of MPs then forms a government and the leader of that party becomes the Prime Minister. The executive is appointed by the PM, but unlike in your system the executive is made up from the MPs. So our executive, including the PM, are also all MPs and sit in the House of Commons with the same voting rights as the rest of the MPs.

All of this means that once a government is formed, by definition it always has a majority in the House of Commons, and unless something remarkable happens it will be able to pass its full legislative programme. There is none of the negotiation between President and Congress that is required in your system.

Hence why manifestos are so important. They summarise the legislative programme that each party will introduce if it wins, and because manifesto promises are so important and have various constitutional protections the majority of them are likely to be implemented by the winners. So the manifesto becomes a market stall that is designed to attract voters and a contract with the voters to bind the party to that subsequent agenda. When we elect a government we are not left wondering what we will get (none of this 'will Trump build the wall?') we know what was in the manifesto and can hold them to it (and fear it if the wrong side wins!).


This is also why there are fundamental differences in the style of the manifestos. The weaker parties are putting out a range of glittery ideas designed to attract individual blocks of voters. Pork barrel politics really. However, any party with a serious chance of winning also has to allow for political reality. Their manifesto has to be properly budgeted, or else flexible enough that they can produce proper budgets at need without breaking promises. The serious party manifestos are also influenced by the peculiar constitutional position of the House of Lords. The Lords are not elected, so the government may not have a majority in the Lords. But by convention the Lords will not vote down any legislation that was in the manifesto. Hence a serious party has to put in the manifesto difficult things that will be unpopular but necessary, so that they have the constitutional protection of the manifesto to ensure they get through the Lords.

less about the individuals running
Individuals do still count, just not quite as much as in your system. The leader of the winning party will become Prime Minister, and the PM sets the entire tone of the government. So the individual character of the party leader is always an issue. But how people vote is a complex balancing act, depending on their own local candidates, their view of how the other parties will perform in their constituency, and who they want as the government overall. This complex mess provides something that is surprisingly stable most of the time and is capable of producing strong but flexible government. Oh and it also allows the British people to send the occasional strong message or to take the piss. Both of which are very necessary in a country like ours.

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