Lucifer - S3
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shadowkatLucifer is rapidly becoming my favorite show. It's just fun, and surprises me at times. I do have one quibble though -- I can't quite decide how black and white it's moral universe is supposed to be.
Every time I think it's rather grey, it jumps back to being annoyingly simple, then I think -- wait, is this meant seriously?
My other quibble is Tom Welling, whose the weak link in the cast. But was not in this episode. Thankfully. I'm thinking I can overlook him, since he isn't on most of the time. Only three cast members have been in every episode -- Ellis, German, and Detective Dan, also possibly Ella. Everyone else seems to take turns.
At any rate, I loved this episode. Welcome back Tricia Helfer as Charlotte Richards. This actress is excellent, she plays Charlotte as layered and with as much intensity as she did Mum.
* Again the take on hell surprised me a bit, because it moves away from the classic mythos surrounding hell and skews closer to view that hell is not so much a place but what we take around with us. We, in other words, create our own hells. I don't mean that literally, but in a sort of metaphorical sense in regards to the series. (And yes, I suspect I've confused just about anyone reading this.)
Hmm.
Charlotte: I think I went to hell. That sounds crazy I know. But I ...it was like I was living a continuous nightmare, in which I was repeating something over and over that was horrible.
Lucifer: Most likely you did.
Charlotte: But I'm not a bad person. I pay my taxes. I haven't hurt anyone.
Lucifer: Perhaps you feel guilty about something, deeply so, more than you know.
Guilt appears to be what sends people to hell in this verse? I've been picking up on a pattern. (That's my magic trick or talent -- seeing patterns. I'm killer at dominoes or any games that deal with patterns. And it's why I can quickly analyze certain things. I just see it. It's obvious to me. So obvious, I don't understand why others don't see it.) Anyhow, the pattern I've been picking up on is everyone who goes to hell has a lot of guilt over something, and when they go there, they repeat much like Groundhog Day that act that they are guilty about, in various ways, unable to stop it or fix it. They make the same mistake each time. In effect flogging themselves over it and creating their own version of hell.
Examples:
* When Lucifer dies last season to get to hell in order to save Chloe, he gets stuck in one of the rooms. Torturing himself over the death of his brother. Over and over again he kills his brother, unable to a find a way not to do it.
* When his mother finds him, she almost gets stuck in the same endless loop.
* Then the man who poisoned Chloe goes to hell -- and his eternal hellish loop is reliving the accident and his choices afterwards that cost him everything. He relives his initial crime, the thing he feels the most guilty about.
A friend of mine stated once that he hated guilt and felt it was a useless emotion. It pulls us into a state of hell, often of our own making, in an endless loop -- which we cannot escape. We don't move forward. We don't help others. We are stuck in the quicksand of our own guilt. The guiltier we feel about it, the worse it is.
Lucifer tells Amen in the last episode...that the way he tortured people in hell was to let them do it to themselves. To endlessly flog themselves. That their own guilt, their own desires often did the job better than he could. All he does is shed light on the matter. He accuses Amen of torturing himself trying to get their father's favor, torturing himself by catering to Lucifer. He's wrong in this instance, but his definition of hell and punishment is rather interesting.
The episode itself makes a point about there being no loop-holes or ways out of things. Lucifer is the king of loopholes or so he says. And Charlotte, a defense attorney, hunts for loopholes to get her clients off the hook. But, in truth, Lucy's job is to shed light on it -- to face it directly, not jump around the issue.
My quibble here is that all loopholes aren't bad. Some procedures and rules require a loophole or innocent people suffer. Some laws are not just. But I get the general intent. I think.
Anyhow, not sure where the writers are going with all of this. But there's a definite pattern emerging regarding people torturing themselves with their own guilt over a past act. And it seems to reflect on Lucy's guilt about betraying his father and his fall from heaven, which he refuses to acknowledge? In the episode, he mentions to Charlotte that maybe she's feeling more guilt about things than she cares to acknowledge. And he goes on and on about how he's not responsible for anything, not accountable for anything -- yet it seems that he doth protest too much.
* Welcome back Trixi. Also Ella is more likeable in the episodes that Welling isn't in, for some reason. I'm wondering if it is the writer? Some writer's write her over the top, other's don't?
Poor actress. Loved Ella in this episode -- she was back to the Ella I liked in S2.
Trixi seems different somehow. Maybe she's just older?
* They appear to have moved away from the Chloe/Lucy romance, which makes sense in that Lucy had discovered Chloe was put on earth to screw with him. Once he discovered that, I don't see him wanting a romantic relationship with her. But it is also bit jarring -- in that we went from Lucy getting ready to tell her the truth, trying to do so, and wanting to have a relationship with her at the very end of last season, to suddenly being completely uninterested and into any pretty gal who walks by.
While Chloe merely rolls her eyes in annoyance, but isn't all that upset about it.
It feels like we've reverted to the beginning of season 1, regarding Chloe/Lucy.
It's a good thing I'm not romantically shipping anyone in this series or I'd get incredibly frustrated. I am sort of feel sorry for the Chloe/Lucy shippers. Because this ship seems to be on the back-burner at the moment. There's no chemistry between the two at the moment.
I'm not sure where the writers are going with this. It surprised me. I honestly thought we were building towards a Pierce/Chloe/Lucy love triangle. (Do not want. So happy we aren't going there, well not yet at any rate.)
Time for bed.
Overall loved this episode. No real quibbles.
Every time I think it's rather grey, it jumps back to being annoyingly simple, then I think -- wait, is this meant seriously?
My other quibble is Tom Welling, whose the weak link in the cast. But was not in this episode. Thankfully. I'm thinking I can overlook him, since he isn't on most of the time. Only three cast members have been in every episode -- Ellis, German, and Detective Dan, also possibly Ella. Everyone else seems to take turns.
At any rate, I loved this episode. Welcome back Tricia Helfer as Charlotte Richards. This actress is excellent, she plays Charlotte as layered and with as much intensity as she did Mum.
* Again the take on hell surprised me a bit, because it moves away from the classic mythos surrounding hell and skews closer to view that hell is not so much a place but what we take around with us. We, in other words, create our own hells. I don't mean that literally, but in a sort of metaphorical sense in regards to the series. (And yes, I suspect I've confused just about anyone reading this.)
Hmm.
Charlotte: I think I went to hell. That sounds crazy I know. But I ...it was like I was living a continuous nightmare, in which I was repeating something over and over that was horrible.
Lucifer: Most likely you did.
Charlotte: But I'm not a bad person. I pay my taxes. I haven't hurt anyone.
Lucifer: Perhaps you feel guilty about something, deeply so, more than you know.
Guilt appears to be what sends people to hell in this verse? I've been picking up on a pattern. (That's my magic trick or talent -- seeing patterns. I'm killer at dominoes or any games that deal with patterns. And it's why I can quickly analyze certain things. I just see it. It's obvious to me. So obvious, I don't understand why others don't see it.) Anyhow, the pattern I've been picking up on is everyone who goes to hell has a lot of guilt over something, and when they go there, they repeat much like Groundhog Day that act that they are guilty about, in various ways, unable to stop it or fix it. They make the same mistake each time. In effect flogging themselves over it and creating their own version of hell.
Examples:
* When Lucifer dies last season to get to hell in order to save Chloe, he gets stuck in one of the rooms. Torturing himself over the death of his brother. Over and over again he kills his brother, unable to a find a way not to do it.
* When his mother finds him, she almost gets stuck in the same endless loop.
* Then the man who poisoned Chloe goes to hell -- and his eternal hellish loop is reliving the accident and his choices afterwards that cost him everything. He relives his initial crime, the thing he feels the most guilty about.
A friend of mine stated once that he hated guilt and felt it was a useless emotion. It pulls us into a state of hell, often of our own making, in an endless loop -- which we cannot escape. We don't move forward. We don't help others. We are stuck in the quicksand of our own guilt. The guiltier we feel about it, the worse it is.
Lucifer tells Amen in the last episode...that the way he tortured people in hell was to let them do it to themselves. To endlessly flog themselves. That their own guilt, their own desires often did the job better than he could. All he does is shed light on the matter. He accuses Amen of torturing himself trying to get their father's favor, torturing himself by catering to Lucifer. He's wrong in this instance, but his definition of hell and punishment is rather interesting.
The episode itself makes a point about there being no loop-holes or ways out of things. Lucifer is the king of loopholes or so he says. And Charlotte, a defense attorney, hunts for loopholes to get her clients off the hook. But, in truth, Lucy's job is to shed light on it -- to face it directly, not jump around the issue.
My quibble here is that all loopholes aren't bad. Some procedures and rules require a loophole or innocent people suffer. Some laws are not just. But I get the general intent. I think.
Anyhow, not sure where the writers are going with all of this. But there's a definite pattern emerging regarding people torturing themselves with their own guilt over a past act. And it seems to reflect on Lucy's guilt about betraying his father and his fall from heaven, which he refuses to acknowledge? In the episode, he mentions to Charlotte that maybe she's feeling more guilt about things than she cares to acknowledge. And he goes on and on about how he's not responsible for anything, not accountable for anything -- yet it seems that he doth protest too much.
* Welcome back Trixi. Also Ella is more likeable in the episodes that Welling isn't in, for some reason. I'm wondering if it is the writer? Some writer's write her over the top, other's don't?
Poor actress. Loved Ella in this episode -- she was back to the Ella I liked in S2.
Trixi seems different somehow. Maybe she's just older?
* They appear to have moved away from the Chloe/Lucy romance, which makes sense in that Lucy had discovered Chloe was put on earth to screw with him. Once he discovered that, I don't see him wanting a romantic relationship with her. But it is also bit jarring -- in that we went from Lucy getting ready to tell her the truth, trying to do so, and wanting to have a relationship with her at the very end of last season, to suddenly being completely uninterested and into any pretty gal who walks by.
While Chloe merely rolls her eyes in annoyance, but isn't all that upset about it.
It feels like we've reverted to the beginning of season 1, regarding Chloe/Lucy.
It's a good thing I'm not romantically shipping anyone in this series or I'd get incredibly frustrated. I am sort of feel sorry for the Chloe/Lucy shippers. Because this ship seems to be on the back-burner at the moment. There's no chemistry between the two at the moment.
I'm not sure where the writers are going with this. It surprised me. I honestly thought we were building towards a Pierce/Chloe/Lucy love triangle. (Do not want. So happy we aren't going there, well not yet at any rate.)
Time for bed.
Overall loved this episode. No real quibbles.
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Date: 2017-10-31 03:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-10-31 01:17 pm (UTC)Agree on Chloe. If she really doesn't believe him, it makes no sense that she's still tolerating him or allowing him anywhere near her daughter.
The character of Chloe isn't working for me and hasn't for some time now. Because the writer's refuse to let her know, the character is stuck, and not evolving as a result.