We few...we band of buggered

[shadowkat]

I'm speaking of the five people on my friends list who didn't think Ats 5.18 was the cat's pajamas and were just a little disturbed by the message at the end. I think it's five, may be less. Not sure.

Sigh. Bad day. Very bad day. Getting worse. It's past one and I should sleep, instead I keep writing and deleting posts.

Got some bad news tonight about my sister-in-law who just had the baby. She's in dreadful pain. Slipped disc and severe back contusion from her labor, which have made it impossible for her to care for her new baby. I'm terribly worried about her.
She's such a sweet person and so does not deserve this. And there's nothing I can do to help. My brother is keeping everyone but close friends away at this point - due to her fragile emotional state. (Her mother is not helping her, they had to throw her out). The whole situation makes me cry.
All my other problems, of which there are many, seem silly in comparison. There is nothing worse than wanting to help and being unable to.

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Re: Hollow Fisher Kings

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

This discussion keeps sparking such pleasing tangents, I’m wondering, do we want to take it on Board?

I've considered it. Rahael certainly reproduced her's with Sophist.
(So there's precedence.) Not sure how though. I think I'd have to go back to our first posts on it, in the earlier entry.

Hmmm…I’m not entirely certain that Buffy ignores the prophecy as ceases to struggle against it and simultaneously learns to walk through it, with a little help from her friends.

Now that works better...I was trying to loop my brain around the conudrum of how we deal with destiny. We often think of it as an either/or prospect. Prophecy Girl compared to Chosen. In both Buffy goes down to the Hellmouth. But in the first she goes alone like the Prophecy states, as the shadowmen and Watchers tell her - literal interpretation. In Chosen, she flips over the board, she goes down with all the potentials, she opens the portal with hers and their blood, just as she opened it with just her blood in Prophecy Girl.
Actually, wait - blood opening portholes - Buffy's blood opens the porthole holding back the Master in Prophecy Girl, (her friends blood is supposed to ressurrect him in When She was Bad), it's Angel's blood that opens and closes Acathla's mouth to hell in Becoming, in Graduation Day, it's Buffy's blood that heals Angel, and in The Gift, it's Buffy's blood that stops the rip in the fabric of reality which Dawn's blood caused to open. Finally we have Chosen, where Buffy goes down not alone but with her fellow slayers -opening the hellmouth with their blood (an echo of when it's opened earlier in the Season with Spike's and to a small degree Xanders and Jonathans (all three symbolic of heart over head).) Spike joins them down in the mouth of hell and it is Spike who closes the mouth with his spirit. So the cup is Buffy's blood, the grail is Spike's spirit? The prophecy states one girl alone, Buffy doesn't ignore the prophecy what she does is alter it slightly - she flips over the playing board. It refers back to a statement of Gunn's in inside out, when Fred asks if they are all just puppets - Gunn says know. If you don't like the game you flip it over. Sort of like Whistler who states - we aren't puppets, bad things happen, but we choose how we react. Buffy chose to meet death head on, but she took companions with her into Hades realm, she didn't go alone. She had weapons.

King and fool. I'm feeling so incredibly Lear towards Angel, but Cordelia is already dead.

Is Angel - King Lear or King Macbeth. Two kings, one good at heart but weak in mind, one weak at heart and good at mind? Macbeth ruthlessly does whatever is necessary to take over and rule his kingdom and is wholeheartedly in favor of the ends justify the means.
He dreams though of damnation and he goes by the fates. Lady Macbeth does him in. King Lear destroys his family preferring his kingdom.
Tears out his heart for power and loses both. Then there's the other king, the older one, Arthur, who lies weak on his death bed, mortally wounded by a spear driven into his side by his son, Mordred, the only cure a sip from the elusive grail. A grail that he finds through the eyes of his fool.

sk:But, what happens when they work together? Combine? No longer hollow.

fresne: Okay, that merits an, "oooooh!" Nice. Both the cup and the contents. The grail full of not Mountain Dew, but water.

Isn't it interesting that in all the Shakespearen plays with Kings, we have fools? Falstaff in Henry the VI and VII, whose line Spike gives in The Gift. The man who follows Lear in King Lear. They provide comic relief, they make us the audience laugh, but at the same time...they also make the King or protagonist more sympathetic, show his human side. Where would King Hal be without his Falstaff?

If you like I can try to repost to the board but my dial-up is driving me crazy. If you prefer to try, I give you permission if you can do it from my live journal.