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shadowkat1. Got kinda bored watching the latest Lucifer episode....entitled Anything Pierce Can Do I Can Do Better. And looked up spoilers...there's three episodes left.
SpoilersGuide Lucifer
They are:
1. Episode 22 - All Hands On Decker -- Chloe asks for time off and Dan/Lucifer solve a case.
2. Episode 23 -- Quintessential Decker
3. Episode 24 -- A Devil of My Word (Final)
2. Five things the writers need to fix about Lucifer in order to survive. Otherwise this show is going to end either this year or next year.
* Avoid cliche love triangles. They've been overdone and unless you have equally charismatic leads and know how to write it and are working on a daytime soap serial or a night-time soap serial? And your whole story is basically love relationships -- don't do it.
* Kill off Pierce and bring back a female Lieutenant, build on the female relationships. We need more powerful female characters, who are not overly sexualized or demeaned.
* Do not do a boss/employee relationship -- in the post #metoo environment (it's offensive), boss/employee love relationships are skeevey. It's a power imbalance and impossible to watch without cringing. Don't do it unless you are a daytime serial and/or serial drama and focus more on characters.
* Bring in more from the comics verse, build up the world a bit more. Get away from the repetitive Daddy issues. Spend more on CGI, less on stunt casting that doesn't work. Make it more a fantasy series than a procedural. The mysteries of the week are boring and don't make a lot of sense.
* More female bonding. Have Chloe work with Ella on a case. Maze work with Linda. It's a little too male centric.
It may be too late.
3. Lucifer - Episode 21 - Anything Pierce Can Do I Can Do Better
Outside of the fact that the plot and Pierce's characterization don't work, there were a few good bits in the episode.
Good bits first.
Basically any scene with Dr. Linda in it and Charlotte, worked. And was entertaining. I rather adore Tricia Helfer.
* Linda finally confronts Lucifer on why he can't tell Chloe that he loves her. After deflecting, he finally disassembles enough to admit that he's terrified she'll reject him. This is a guy who is used to charming people, making people want him. With Chloe he has none of that power.
He's also not sure if she loves him or only cares about him because she was created to do so. He wants free will and is terrified that they don't have it.
* I think Pierce and Amanendial are wrong though -- it's Lucifer's love for Chloe that makes Lucifer vulnerable around her, not the other way around. Because otherwise it makes no sense. Chloe didn't like Lucifer right off the bat, Lucifer was into Chloe. Lucifer sacrifices himself for Chloe -- that's how he can be killed.
* Charlotte and Amanendial attempting to investigate Pierce's link to the Sinnerman. They are looking in the wrong place. It's in his office. Also, the guy that Pierce saw was giving him an engagement ring for Chloe.
Bad bits...unfortunately everything else. Which was about 80% of the episode. This is a problem.
As previously mentioned the plot doesn't track or work on multiple levels. I can't even fanwank it.
It's cringe-inducing, not to mention offensive.
*It makes no sense that Chloe would love Pierce based on a couple of romantic dates. Their romance took place completely off-screen. While I'm thankful for that, it doesn't work and it's offensive.
First the Chloe/Pierce relationship is inappropriate and in our current political environment, downright offensive on multiple levels. Pierce is Chloe's superior, he can get her suspended or hurt her career. There's no way their dating would be considered acceptable. Nor would his romantic pursuit be acceptable. Why Dan hasn't filed a complaint -- for favoritism or inappropriate behavior, I don't know.
He has at various points manipulated her as her boss. What he's doing with her could be considered and most likely is sexual harassment. Also dating Pierce has resulted in special treatment for Chloe. There's no way any of her co-workers should be okay with that.
In addition, why would Chloe trust Pierce? She knows nothing about him. He's been manipulative in his actions, everything he's done has been with the sole purpose of maneuvering her into position to get what he desires. It's creepy.
Pierce's attentions would creep me out if I was Chloe.
* It makes no sense that Pierce's mark would fade because Chloe cares about him. I'm sure other women have. What makes Chloe so special? That she was manipulated into being by God? Okay. So, God, who marked Caine, decides to give him the gift of mortality when Chloe falls for him? I mean I sort of knew that was where they were going...since, Caine's mark was fading prior to her saying it and the more she fell for him, the more it went away. But he doesn't do anything to earn her trust or love, making Chloe look a bit like God's puppet.
I see where they are going with this actually.
Chloe makes him vulnerable. Maze kills him. He goes to hell and relives what he did to Chloe over and over again. That will be his hell -- hurting Chloe and being unable to prevent it. That's already been repeatedly forshadowed by the series.
* Maze wanting to kill Pierce, pin it on Lucifer, so it will upend Lucifer's world and he'll take her back to hell with him.
Uhm, Maze, what if he decides to just strand you on the mortal plain? Or worse kill you and end your existence? I mean why would Lucifer give you what you want after you betray him? Thought you were smarter than that? If I were Lucifer, I'd just strand your ass here. There's no guarantee he'll take you with him. He hasn't on all his previous trips back.
She wants to run off to hell because she can't handle all the stuff happening right now. Her motivation for wanting to go back makes sense, her plan is a tad flawed.
* Chloe? Honey if you are in love with Lucifer, why are you playing around with Pierce who is also your boss? How dumb are you?
Again the Chloe/Pierce story arc feels contrived and manipulated by the writers, I can see the holes in it. I get Pierce's motivation for going after Chloe. But I don't get Chloe's.
I think the writers have some issues. The acting is actually fine as is the direction. I feel sorry for the actors, it's not their fault that they are stuck with bad writers.
SpoilersGuide Lucifer
They are:
1. Episode 22 - All Hands On Decker -- Chloe asks for time off and Dan/Lucifer solve a case.
2. Episode 23 -- Quintessential Decker
3. Episode 24 -- A Devil of My Word (Final)
2. Five things the writers need to fix about Lucifer in order to survive. Otherwise this show is going to end either this year or next year.
* Avoid cliche love triangles. They've been overdone and unless you have equally charismatic leads and know how to write it and are working on a daytime soap serial or a night-time soap serial? And your whole story is basically love relationships -- don't do it.
* Kill off Pierce and bring back a female Lieutenant, build on the female relationships. We need more powerful female characters, who are not overly sexualized or demeaned.
* Do not do a boss/employee relationship -- in the post #metoo environment (it's offensive), boss/employee love relationships are skeevey. It's a power imbalance and impossible to watch without cringing. Don't do it unless you are a daytime serial and/or serial drama and focus more on characters.
* Bring in more from the comics verse, build up the world a bit more. Get away from the repetitive Daddy issues. Spend more on CGI, less on stunt casting that doesn't work. Make it more a fantasy series than a procedural. The mysteries of the week are boring and don't make a lot of sense.
* More female bonding. Have Chloe work with Ella on a case. Maze work with Linda. It's a little too male centric.
It may be too late.
3. Lucifer - Episode 21 - Anything Pierce Can Do I Can Do Better
Outside of the fact that the plot and Pierce's characterization don't work, there were a few good bits in the episode.
Good bits first.
Basically any scene with Dr. Linda in it and Charlotte, worked. And was entertaining. I rather adore Tricia Helfer.
* Linda finally confronts Lucifer on why he can't tell Chloe that he loves her. After deflecting, he finally disassembles enough to admit that he's terrified she'll reject him. This is a guy who is used to charming people, making people want him. With Chloe he has none of that power.
He's also not sure if she loves him or only cares about him because she was created to do so. He wants free will and is terrified that they don't have it.
* I think Pierce and Amanendial are wrong though -- it's Lucifer's love for Chloe that makes Lucifer vulnerable around her, not the other way around. Because otherwise it makes no sense. Chloe didn't like Lucifer right off the bat, Lucifer was into Chloe. Lucifer sacrifices himself for Chloe -- that's how he can be killed.
* Charlotte and Amanendial attempting to investigate Pierce's link to the Sinnerman. They are looking in the wrong place. It's in his office. Also, the guy that Pierce saw was giving him an engagement ring for Chloe.
Bad bits...unfortunately everything else. Which was about 80% of the episode. This is a problem.
As previously mentioned the plot doesn't track or work on multiple levels. I can't even fanwank it.
It's cringe-inducing, not to mention offensive.
*It makes no sense that Chloe would love Pierce based on a couple of romantic dates. Their romance took place completely off-screen. While I'm thankful for that, it doesn't work and it's offensive.
First the Chloe/Pierce relationship is inappropriate and in our current political environment, downright offensive on multiple levels. Pierce is Chloe's superior, he can get her suspended or hurt her career. There's no way their dating would be considered acceptable. Nor would his romantic pursuit be acceptable. Why Dan hasn't filed a complaint -- for favoritism or inappropriate behavior, I don't know.
He has at various points manipulated her as her boss. What he's doing with her could be considered and most likely is sexual harassment. Also dating Pierce has resulted in special treatment for Chloe. There's no way any of her co-workers should be okay with that.
In addition, why would Chloe trust Pierce? She knows nothing about him. He's been manipulative in his actions, everything he's done has been with the sole purpose of maneuvering her into position to get what he desires. It's creepy.
Pierce's attentions would creep me out if I was Chloe.
* It makes no sense that Pierce's mark would fade because Chloe cares about him. I'm sure other women have. What makes Chloe so special? That she was manipulated into being by God? Okay. So, God, who marked Caine, decides to give him the gift of mortality when Chloe falls for him? I mean I sort of knew that was where they were going...since, Caine's mark was fading prior to her saying it and the more she fell for him, the more it went away. But he doesn't do anything to earn her trust or love, making Chloe look a bit like God's puppet.
I see where they are going with this actually.
Chloe makes him vulnerable. Maze kills him. He goes to hell and relives what he did to Chloe over and over again. That will be his hell -- hurting Chloe and being unable to prevent it. That's already been repeatedly forshadowed by the series.
* Maze wanting to kill Pierce, pin it on Lucifer, so it will upend Lucifer's world and he'll take her back to hell with him.
Uhm, Maze, what if he decides to just strand you on the mortal plain? Or worse kill you and end your existence? I mean why would Lucifer give you what you want after you betray him? Thought you were smarter than that? If I were Lucifer, I'd just strand your ass here. There's no guarantee he'll take you with him. He hasn't on all his previous trips back.
She wants to run off to hell because she can't handle all the stuff happening right now. Her motivation for wanting to go back makes sense, her plan is a tad flawed.
* Chloe? Honey if you are in love with Lucifer, why are you playing around with Pierce who is also your boss? How dumb are you?
Again the Chloe/Pierce story arc feels contrived and manipulated by the writers, I can see the holes in it. I get Pierce's motivation for going after Chloe. But I don't get Chloe's.
I think the writers have some issues. The acting is actually fine as is the direction. I feel sorry for the actors, it's not their fault that they are stuck with bad writers.
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Date: 2018-04-29 06:55 pm (UTC)Chloe makes him vulnerable. Maze kills him. He goes to hell and relives what he did to Chloe over and over again. That will be his hell -- hurting Chloe and being unable to prevent it.
Makes sense to me.
If I were Lucifer, I'd just strand your ass here. There's no guarantee he'll take you with him. He hasn't on all his previous trips back.
I agree that Maze of all people should know how contrary Lucifer can be.
Again the Chloe/Pierce story arc feels contrived and manipulated by the writers, I can see the holes in it. I get Pierce's motivation for going after Chloe. But I don't get Chloe's.
I agree, that's been a lot of telling and not showing. The only thing I can figure is that she had a sort of hero worship for him before she met him; she finds him attractive; she's getting clear signals from him whereas she is not from Lucifer who, whatever her attraction to him, often seems delusional which is rather off-putting. I would think, frankly, that she'd be comparing Pierce to Dan more than Lucifer, another workplace romance that didn't pan out despite a kid. Trixie is the most convenient kid ever -- I've no idea who she's spending her time with since Maze moved out.
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Date: 2018-04-29 08:59 pm (UTC)Exactly. It's even more improbable a relationship when we add Trixie and Decker's own family back story into the mix.
Why would she bring in Pierce, who has various similarities to Dan, and not positive ones, also to her Dad, equally not positive, into a relationship with her precocious ten year old kid? She's a divorced single Mom, with a less than responsible father in the picture.
While I can sort of see her finding Pierce attractive due to unresolved "Daddy issues" (sigh too many characters in this series have unresolved Daddy issues), and the whole hero worship bit (again told not shown, so has little emotional weight), plus clearer signals than from Lucifer...you'd think she'd be comparing him to Dan, not Lucifer.
This would work better for the writers if there was no kid. But the writer's introduced Trixie and appear to be trying to have their cake and eat it too. Oh, cute kid, we'll trot her out to be cute, then trot her out when it's not convenient. Sigh she's not a cat or dog. You can't do that in a television serial.
Trixie was utilized better in S1 and S2...here they don't appear to know what to do with her.