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Mar. 24th, 2019 04:37 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
shadowkatHmmm...I re-watched The Avengers today and..it doesn't work from a plot perspective. There are plot-holes that you can drive a truck through. Also the difference between The Avengers and Infinity Game in plot, special effects, character moments, dialogue, direction, etc is night and day. The movies have really upped their game since 2012, which was what six years ago?
The Avengers is fun, but cheesy and way too interested in establishing portrait shots. Also, the Hulk's arc makes no sense. He goes from being unable to control The Hulk to suddenly, out of the blue, being able to do so. And states his secret is he's always angry? Really? There's also this whole bit about Stark saving the world -- which is repeated in the Age Ultron, which doesn't quite work. Nor does Captain America's stragetizing or for that matter why they put him in charge of it -- it's poorly set up.
After seeing Captain Marvel -- it's clear that the writers forgot some of the plot points in this film or changed how they were plotting the story and the villains after it. Whedon paints Thanos as a black and white villain in the first film. While Infinity War is a little less clear cut about it. And provides Thanos and the aliens with more depth, and makes them far deadlier. And...in The Avengers -- the Tesserect was recovered from the ocean with Steve Rogers, while in Captain Marvel - Goose vomits it up on Fury's desk.
The direction and script feel messy, or as if the writer is distracted by other things. It's all over the place, heavy on exposition -- almost too heavy -- and busy. The films that don't work as well in the MCU are the ones with too busy a plot -- it's better to simplify the villain's goals and plot, and focus on the character moments. If you go the other way -- you spend far too much time explaining the science and mechanics of the plot, and lose the character moments that pull in the audience.
I remember being disappointed when I saw it in the theaters in 2012, but not clear on why -- now I get it.
The Avengers is fun, but cheesy and way too interested in establishing portrait shots. Also, the Hulk's arc makes no sense. He goes from being unable to control The Hulk to suddenly, out of the blue, being able to do so. And states his secret is he's always angry? Really? There's also this whole bit about Stark saving the world -- which is repeated in the Age Ultron, which doesn't quite work. Nor does Captain America's stragetizing or for that matter why they put him in charge of it -- it's poorly set up.
After seeing Captain Marvel -- it's clear that the writers forgot some of the plot points in this film or changed how they were plotting the story and the villains after it. Whedon paints Thanos as a black and white villain in the first film. While Infinity War is a little less clear cut about it. And provides Thanos and the aliens with more depth, and makes them far deadlier. And...in The Avengers -- the Tesserect was recovered from the ocean with Steve Rogers, while in Captain Marvel - Goose vomits it up on Fury's desk.
The direction and script feel messy, or as if the writer is distracted by other things. It's all over the place, heavy on exposition -- almost too heavy -- and busy. The films that don't work as well in the MCU are the ones with too busy a plot -- it's better to simplify the villain's goals and plot, and focus on the character moments. If you go the other way -- you spend far too much time explaining the science and mechanics of the plot, and lose the character moments that pull in the audience.
I remember being disappointed when I saw it in the theaters in 2012, but not clear on why -- now I get it.
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Date: 2019-03-25 01:38 pm (UTC)I don't think this is an inconsistency, as I'll explain below, but if it is, the problem pre-dates The Avengers -- we saw Howard Stark recover the Tesseract at the end of the first Captain America movie.
So, if the government (loosely defined) acquired the Tesseract in roughly 1945, how did it only come to Fury 50 years later? We know that the evil scientist/Kree commander was using it. After the explosion in which Captain Marvel got her powers, it was taken by someone -- perhaps Skrull or perhaps Kree; I can't recall exactly -- and then taken to the ship where Captain Marvel eventually recovered it. This seems quite likely, since we also know that SHIELD was compromised by Hydra pretty much from the beginning. The good guys didn't have access to the Tesseract, but the bad guys did. Thus, having Goose "deliver" it to Fury is necessary to explain how he got access to it and why we see him experimenting with it at the beginning of The Avengers.
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Date: 2019-03-25 03:31 pm (UTC)In Captain Marvel -- Wendy Lawson had it and was experimenting with it as a power source, similar to what Fury stated he was doing with it. The Kree wanted to use it as a weapon. Lawson was using it to power her ship and provide the Skrulls with a portal to another universe away from the Kree.
Granted we don't know how long she had it. I don't remember Captain America that well - but wasn't it recovered later in 21st Century? In first Avengers -- they refer to it as coming from beneath the sea with Rogers -- and keeping it out of Hydra's hands. (The whole bit about Hydra being in Shield since the beginning -- came up after the first Avengers movie...but since not referenced, and no affect on the plot, not an issue.) It's an inconsistency, but not the creators of the first film's fault.
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Date: 2019-03-25 03:56 pm (UTC)As for Lawson, I thought she was Kree. It's possible I missed that because I didn't find Captain Marvel all that memorable, but I did think she was evil. In any case, agree that she was experimenting and that it ended up on the ship before Goose "gave" it to Fury. I don't think that's inconsistent with The Avengers because of the different time frames.
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Date: 2019-03-25 06:25 pm (UTC)Two things:
Lawson was Kree. (Mer-vol = Marvel) But not evil.
The Kree aren't necessarily evil -- they created the InHumans,, and weirdly in the comics are portrayed as the good guys. They are just well full of themselves -- a bit like well, the InHumans.
I admittedly don't remember Winter Solider and Civil War that well, and I gave up on Agents of Shield after the 2nd Season.