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shadowkat ([personal profile] shadowkat) wrote2020-10-08 07:08 pm
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Day #12 of the 30 Day Television Challenge

Day 12 of 30 Day Television Challenge

The prompt: Character that you initially found annoying but you grew to love

This is not as easy as it looks..

I'm going with...

Wes in Angel. (Note - it was in Angel that I initially found Wes annoying and grew to love the character. Actually I think Wes was possibly the best developed character on Angel.).

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[personal profile] cjlasky7 2020-10-09 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
In Praise of Ferret Face:
Frank Burns, played by Larry Linville (M*A*S*H)

This is not so much a love letter to a character, but a sigh of regret that he never reached his full potential. Frank Burns, through his five seasons on M*A*S*H, was a one-dimensional foil to Hawkeye Pierce--a bungling fool, substandard surgeon and a moral hypocrite who was an easy target for Alan Alda's anti-authoritarian broadside.

But in rare, fascinating moments, Frank's backstory peeked through his weaselly facade, and a real human being threatened to emerge. In Season 3's "There Is Nothing Like a Nurse," we saw home movies of Frank's life in Fort Wayne--the wife he married for money, in exchange for his happiness and his freedom. For the first time, we understood that his time in Korea, with Margaret Houlihan, really was the best time he'd had in years.

Of course, once Margaret broke free, he fell apart. In Season 5, Frank Burns was suddenly the underdog, and even Hawkeye couldn't kick him when he was down. It could have been the start of a new direction for Frank--no, he could never be a better person, that wasn't his role on the series. But maybe we could have seen Frank struggle to understand why he made those choices and what he might have done differently. He could still be a miserable chickenshit... but a relatable chickenshit.

Unfortunately, the writers and producers weren't willing to change direction for Frank, and Linville left after his five-year contract expired. I don't regret getting to know David Ogden Stiers as Charles Emerson Winchester, but I'll always wonder what might have been.

Goodbye, Ferret Face.
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[personal profile] cactuswatcher 2020-10-09 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
I couldn't think of a thing for this topic. Maybe 'love' was too strong a word. But talking about MASH, I at least got to the point I respected Margaret, especially after her divorce.
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[personal profile] cactuswatcher 2020-10-09 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
She certainly got to be a far cry from movie Hot Lips!
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[personal profile] cjlasky7 2020-10-09 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
You could tell that a change was in the air with s7's "Inga." This showdown between Hawkeye and Margaret was Loretta Swit's best moment in the series (IMO):

MARGARET: You'll work with them a lot better when you start treating them like people.

HAWKEYE: Don't hand me that baloney. You're not standing up for her as a woman, you're really jealous of her, aren't you?

M: Jealous of her?

H: Olive green.

M: Over you? Don't be an ass! You think everything revolves around you and your spectacular body, don't you?

H: You're raving.

M: You think a woman is dead until she lives for you. Well, let me tell you something, Benjamin Franklin, we actually survive without you. We live, we breathe, we dream, we do our work, we earn our pay, sometimes we even have our little failures, and then we pull ourselves together all without benefit of your fabulous electric lips! And let me tell you something else, buster. I can walk into that kitchen anytime I want, and replace those fabulous lips of yours with a soggy piece of liver!

Alda wrote that one himself, one of the rare times Margaret really got one over on Hawkeye. ...
Edited 2020-10-09 04:25 (UTC)
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[personal profile] atpo_onm 2020-10-09 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
Starting to wonder-- do you have a photographic memory? Or are you just some kind of search engine demon? For example, I watched all of M*A*S*H, every season, and only remember bits and pieces here and there. Granted, age is catching up with me in recent times as to memory of anything, but still...

This isn't the first time I've seen you do this at these various TV/music/movie memes.

Huh.
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[personal profile] cjlasky7 2020-10-09 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
It's a combination of half-decent memory, passable search engine skills, and slick presentation.

I remembered watching Frank's home movies from Indiana, so I searched for "Frank Burns home movies" on the internet, and found the episode.

I remembered Margaret's big speech was from Mariette Hartley's episode, and the entire Hawkeye/Hot Lips argument was waiting for me on the internet. (Simple cut and paste.)

As Ted Baxter once said: "You know what's great about this country? You don't have to be witty or clever, as long as you can hire someone who is."

[Quote verified by internet search]
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[personal profile] cjlasky7 2020-10-09 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
The counter argument:

As the series progressed and Gelbart gave way to Alda as the creative engine, M*A*S*H became less about Hawkeye and Trapper (or B.J.) against the lunatics running the army and more about the entire cast against "The War."

With Frank gone and cartoonish antagonists like Flagg phased out, the anti-war viewpoint of Hawkeye wasn't the rebel stance, it was the default. Even the regular army personnel like Houlihan and Potter didn't put up many arguments on behalf of their chosen careers.

That drained a lot of the conflict out of the series, to its detriment. Alda and the other writers were good enough to successfully focus on developing the cast of characters (I especially liked the Mulcahy episodes, for some reason!), and he continued Gelbart's experimentation with the format ("Dreams" is fantastic).

But I still think an essential part of the series' DNA was lost when Alda took over.
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[personal profile] atpo_onm 2020-10-09 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
Sgt. Renko on Hill St. Blues, the show that forever changed the way TV police shows were done.

Famous clip from the pilot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeJEEAtZH_I

Loudmouthed, arrogant... annoying is putting it mildly when Andy Renko first appears. But over the seasons, you get to understand his history and the insecurities that helped form his public personality, especially his difficulty in relating to women who initially find him interesting because of his profession, and then quickly get bored when they discover just how ordinary he really is.

Years back, I even coined the term "The Renko Syndrome" for men who are constantly disappointed by being constantly romantically drawn to women who are far smarter and/or more talented then they are. Women who then, understandably, in the best of cases, leave with that "let's just be friends, okay?" In the less best cases? Oh, dear...

Fortunately for the character, that did work out eventually, when he was able to find a decent, caring woman who got him to accept himself for the decent, caring person he was rather than trying to "marry up" intellectually and socially.

Great work always from Charles Haid, in a very tricky role.

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[personal profile] petzipellepingo 2020-10-09 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
Deputy Andy from Twin Peaks.
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[personal profile] tellshannon815 2020-10-09 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Felix from Orphan Black seemed too loud and obnoxious for me in the first episode, but it didn't take long for him to grow on me.