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shadowkat1. Read this recently: ""Narcissistic individuals feel superior to others, fantasize about personal successes, and believe they deserve special treatment. When they feel humiliated, they often lash out aggressively or even violently........ The...findings are consistent with the view that children come to see themselves as they believe to be seen by significant others, as if they learn to see themselves through others’ eyes (29). “Each to each a looking-glass, reflects the other that doth pass,” as Charles Cooley (29) described it. When children are seen by their parents as being more special and more entitled than other children (overvaluation), they may internalize the view that they are superior individuals, a view that is at the core of narcissism. However, when children are treated by their parents with affection and appreciation (warmth), they may internalize the view that they are valuable individuals, a view that is at the core of self-esteem."
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1420870112
How to deal with the narcissist in your life? Burn it Down states that you can't attack them or report them for bullying, without getting retaliation. And they can't change - because in order to change they need to know what they are doing is wrong and be self-aware. So, you can only change how you handle them. Basically with kid gloves, and hope for the best. I'm...well, dealing with one on a daily basis.
2. As predicted, the submersible carrying five people (four idiots and a a 19 year old unwilling participant) imploded. It wasn't constructed well enough to protect it against the pressure of the ocean. They found pieces of the wreckage. It interrupted the soap that I'd recorded. (eyeroll).
ETA:
There was issues with the craft. Unlike the crafts that Cameron and others have taken - this one didn't follow all the safety measures. And they hadn't been regulating it.
I feel sorry for the 19 year old who was pressured into going with his father, by his parents. Apparently he'd told his Aunt he was terrified and didn't want to go. I told this to mother, who commented that the boy's mother would most likely hate herself for the rest of her life.
That's tragic. I don't care about the other four. Just that boy, and his remaining relatives. Losing a child at any age or anyway is losing a part of oneself.
I hope the company goes out of business. Apparently the US and Canadian governments have agreed to ban future tourism of the Titantic due to the tragedy.
Cameron who went down 33 times - did it on a different vessel which had followed the necessary safeguards, and didn't go quite as deep. Also he sent Rovers down for the filming of The Titantic wreckage. You can't dive down, and it's almost impossible to travel down there - due to the ocean pressure.
ETA: found the Cameron article -
In 2012, Mr. Cameron designed and piloted an experimental submersible into a region in the Pacific Ocean called the Challenger Deep. Mr. Cameron had not sought certification of the vessel’s safety by organizations in the maritime industry that provide such services to numerous companies.
“We did that knowingly” because the craft was experimental and its mission scientific, Mr. Cameron said. “I would never design a vehicle to take passengers and not have it certified.”
Mr. Cameron strongly criticized Stockton Rush, the OceanGate chief executive who piloted the submersible when it disappeared Sunday, for never getting his tourist submersible certified as safe. He noted that Mr. Rush called certification an impediment to innovation.
“I agree in principle,” Mr. Cameron said. “But you can’t take that stance when you’re putting paying customers into your submersible — when you have innocent guests who trust you and your statements” about vehicle safety.
As a design weakness in the Titan submersible and a possible cautionary sign to its passengers, Mr. Cameron cited its construction with carbon-fiber composites. The materials are used widely in the aerospace industry because they weigh much less than steel or aluminum, yet pound for pound are stronger and stiffer.
The problem, Mr. Cameron said, is that a carbon-fiber composite has “no strength in compression”— which happens as an undersea vehicle plunges ever deeper into the abyss and faces soaring increases in water pressure. “It’s not what it’s designed for.”
The company, he added, used sensors in the hull of the Titan to assess the status of the carbon-fiber composite hull. In its promotional material, OceanGate pointed to the sensors as an innovative feature for “hull health monitoring.” Early this year, an academic expert described the system as providing the pilot “with enough time to arrest the descent and safely return to surface.”
In contrast to the company, Mr. Cameron called it “a warning system” to let the submersible’s pilot know if “the hull is getting ready to implode.”
Mr. Cameron said the sensor network on the sub’s hull was an inadequate solution to a design he saw as intrinsically flawed.
“It’s not like a light coming on when the oil in your car is low,” he said of the network of hull sensors. “This is different.”
Sigh. Definite Darwin Award winners. No doubt about it. People are crazy.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1420870112
How to deal with the narcissist in your life? Burn it Down states that you can't attack them or report them for bullying, without getting retaliation. And they can't change - because in order to change they need to know what they are doing is wrong and be self-aware. So, you can only change how you handle them. Basically with kid gloves, and hope for the best. I'm...well, dealing with one on a daily basis.
2. As predicted, the submersible carrying five people (four idiots and a a 19 year old unwilling participant) imploded. It wasn't constructed well enough to protect it against the pressure of the ocean. They found pieces of the wreckage. It interrupted the soap that I'd recorded. (eyeroll).
ETA:
There was issues with the craft. Unlike the crafts that Cameron and others have taken - this one didn't follow all the safety measures. And they hadn't been regulating it.
I feel sorry for the 19 year old who was pressured into going with his father, by his parents. Apparently he'd told his Aunt he was terrified and didn't want to go. I told this to mother, who commented that the boy's mother would most likely hate herself for the rest of her life.
That's tragic. I don't care about the other four. Just that boy, and his remaining relatives. Losing a child at any age or anyway is losing a part of oneself.
I hope the company goes out of business. Apparently the US and Canadian governments have agreed to ban future tourism of the Titantic due to the tragedy.
Cameron who went down 33 times - did it on a different vessel which had followed the necessary safeguards, and didn't go quite as deep. Also he sent Rovers down for the filming of The Titantic wreckage. You can't dive down, and it's almost impossible to travel down there - due to the ocean pressure.
ETA: found the Cameron article -
In 2012, Mr. Cameron designed and piloted an experimental submersible into a region in the Pacific Ocean called the Challenger Deep. Mr. Cameron had not sought certification of the vessel’s safety by organizations in the maritime industry that provide such services to numerous companies.
“We did that knowingly” because the craft was experimental and its mission scientific, Mr. Cameron said. “I would never design a vehicle to take passengers and not have it certified.”
Mr. Cameron strongly criticized Stockton Rush, the OceanGate chief executive who piloted the submersible when it disappeared Sunday, for never getting his tourist submersible certified as safe. He noted that Mr. Rush called certification an impediment to innovation.
“I agree in principle,” Mr. Cameron said. “But you can’t take that stance when you’re putting paying customers into your submersible — when you have innocent guests who trust you and your statements” about vehicle safety.
As a design weakness in the Titan submersible and a possible cautionary sign to its passengers, Mr. Cameron cited its construction with carbon-fiber composites. The materials are used widely in the aerospace industry because they weigh much less than steel or aluminum, yet pound for pound are stronger and stiffer.
The problem, Mr. Cameron said, is that a carbon-fiber composite has “no strength in compression”— which happens as an undersea vehicle plunges ever deeper into the abyss and faces soaring increases in water pressure. “It’s not what it’s designed for.”
The company, he added, used sensors in the hull of the Titan to assess the status of the carbon-fiber composite hull. In its promotional material, OceanGate pointed to the sensors as an innovative feature for “hull health monitoring.” Early this year, an academic expert described the system as providing the pilot “with enough time to arrest the descent and safely return to surface.”
In contrast to the company, Mr. Cameron called it “a warning system” to let the submersible’s pilot know if “the hull is getting ready to implode.”
Mr. Cameron said the sensor network on the sub’s hull was an inadequate solution to a design he saw as intrinsically flawed.
“It’s not like a light coming on when the oil in your car is low,” he said of the network of hull sensors. “This is different.”
Sigh. Definite Darwin Award winners. No doubt about it. People are crazy.
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Date: 2023-06-23 08:54 pm (UTC)This is a very old tale of Hubris... the Silicon Valley ethos of "move fast, and break things" ... but entirely unmoored from an ethical sense. "Impediments to innovation" (aka safety standards) usually exist for a reason. The path of wisdom lies in understanding why rules exist, before you make decisions to break them.
The Deep Sea is a dangerous environment, and the reason we know so much about the sea floor where the Titanic sank... is because it was funded as a byproduct of and cover for a classified U.S. Navy program to study the wreckage sites of the nuclear submarines Thresher and Scorpion.
Rush was Icarus, only he took people down with him...
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Date: 2023-06-24 12:54 am (UTC)Cameron was interesting - he apparently did Deep Sea exploration in the Pacific, in the Deep Well, with an experimental vehicle. That area hasn't been explored at all for a really good reason.
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Date: 2023-06-24 01:43 am (UTC)To clarify... Robert Ballard always wanted primarily to search for the Titanic wreckage. The Navy gave him funding to find the two submarines, with the permission to also use the funding to find Titanic if he first succeeded in finding the subs and providing data - and using his Titanic search as cover for Thresher and Scorpion. (Which he did) And the Navy continued to monitor those wreckage sites for radiation leaks. But they're not in the same locations as Titanic, or each other.
As to the wreckage site, it's in international waters, and may have its own specific treaties. I'm not up on how it gets regulated, or by whom. Certainly, people who don't know what they're doing shouldn't be diving deep below the surface.
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Date: 2023-06-26 04:32 pm (UTC)Usually international treaty - has its own separate set of regulations and regulatory authority? I know international copyright and patent does, so I'd guess that there's something in regards to what can and can't be done in international waters? Although I doubt it occurred to them to restrict tourist excursions beneath the ocean's surface to find wreckage. They may be running into a similar issue with space travel and placing limitations on who and/or what can be arbitrarily launched into space - its getting crowded up there. The difficulty with regulations - is it has to occur to someone to put one in place - then of course there's the long process of writing them and getting them signed off on and agreed to by everyone. And well, that's a bit akin to sports fans agreeing on which team is the best and their favorite.
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Date: 2023-06-26 06:01 pm (UTC)To begin with, Robert Ballard had been searching for the Titanic, among other marine geology projects, for years - and its story was a source of widespread fascination. Whereas, while the sinking of Thresher and of Scorpion were known, their specific locations were not known to the public. (They still aren't.) Ballard could not have gone looking for subs without the assistance and direction of the U.S. Navy. Ballard's interest in Titanic gave the Navy immense cover at a time when they did not want the Soviets to find or learn anything from the two subs.
I looked a little of this up. Maritime law, generally, is covered under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) - a treaty to which the U.S. is not a party, because Reagan. There is a specific treaty between the U.S. and the UK (also drafted with, but not yet ratified by, France and Canada) which regulates access to the wreck of Titanic. I do not know any details of this treaty - just that it exists. UNCLOS, I know a bit more about though it would be superseded by the US-UK agreement here.
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Date: 2023-06-27 01:28 am (UTC)So, Ballard basically lucked into the submarine search as a result of his obsession with the Titanic. That's convenient for Ballard and I guess, the US Navy. The Titanic obsession is something I don't understand - but I guess it's no different than being obsessed with any other historic event. Also there is a mystique surrounding it. It was missing. No one found it for decades.
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Date: 2023-06-27 10:25 am (UTC)I mean, if studying sea floors and shipwrecks is the thing you do, it's a site you'd want to explore.
So, Ballard basically lucked into the submarine search as a result of his obsession with the Titanic.
No. Ballard was an accomplished marine geologist who worked at Woods Hole, developing experimental deep sea research vessels to explore the sea floor, and who took particular interest in studying shipwrecks. (The Titanic is what he's famous for, but it's not the only thing he ever did.) The Navy eventually decided that he was the guy they had to go to for the subs. Ballard was in the Navy reserve, and he'd previously applied to the Navy for funding grants - they already knew who he was.
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Date: 2023-06-27 11:56 am (UTC)Nothing like Stockton Rush and others.
Similar to the difference between NASA and those wishing to further its aims vs. tech billionaires building space ships for tourists.