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shadowkatHorrid day at work. One of those days in which you are beset by aggravating little errors. Actually, I've been beset by aggravating little errors, mostly by me, all week long. Headache inducing. But ...
Me to work colleague: I'm having a bad day.
Work colleague: You don't have stitches in your eyebrow, your ankle isn't sprained any longer, you don't have a bunged up knee, and you aren't hobbling?
Me: no...
Work: isn't that bad then.
Me: good point. Could definitely be worse.
Made me laugh, anyhow.
In other news...IDW - which has been doing the Angelverse comics, is actually being a bit more innovative than Dark Horse. Bill Willingham is taking over the Angel comic latter this year and guess what? Angel is leaving his own comic, it's being taken over by Connor, with Angel as a recurring character. In short, Connor is going to be the main character in the Angel comics. Before Connor takes front and center, we had an issue centered on Gunn, and a mini-series entitled Angel Only Human - about Gunn and Illyria taking a road trip together.
After that we get the two part Drusilla After The Fall comics written by Juliet Landau,
Brian Lynch, and art by Franc Urru with Juliet Landau's driving it so to speak. This is a story developed by Juliet and what Juliet thinks Dru was doing all this time. And then, we get a two part comic by Brian Lynch and Frank Urru - about Spike and Angel infilterating the San Diego Comic Con to see the film version of their experiences in Angel After the Fall - entitled Last Angel in Hell - starring Nicolas Cage as Angel and some female actress as Spike.
Then finally in December, in the Angel Annual, we get the movie Last Angel in Hell in comic form.
Buffy meanwhile just continues the series of Buffy S8 except in comic form.
Anyhow - Connor fans on my flist take note - the character is about to get his own comic series as a demon fighter, even if it is still named Angel. (I'm guessing that IDW wasn't that thrilled with Kelly Armstrong's take on the series, since they seem to be going in a completely different direction. Can't say I blame them, I found the Armstrong series unreadable.)
Dru fans? Dru gets a two-parter, and it has been strongly indicated that she will continue to make appearances in the comics. (About Bloody time!)
And Spike fans? Lynch is coming back in 2010 with a full-fledged Spike Aftermath comic, where Spike is the lead. YAY! (I love Lynch's take on the character. )
Is this canon? Hell no. I don't really consider any of the comics canon - in that they are a realistic continuation of the story we saw on tv, no matter what the writers/editors want us to believe. Even if Whedon wrote them all, I wouldn't think that. The Buffy ones potentially come closest - but we are still missing vital collaborators and those are the actors. The actors interpreted the words the writers wrote and the direction the directors provided. They weren't, no matter how much the writers like to think this, empty puppets or pieces of meat to be moved about on stage. Without the actors, costumers, set designers, stunt men and women, makeup artists, and directors - the story is just a shooting script. People often use shooting scripts to justify a point in an essay - but the shooting script often differs from what is seen onscreen. Why? Because you are having someone other than yourself interpreting those words. James Marsters may read and interpret a line very different than you do or Whedon does. Whedon may direct him to say it certain way, but sometimes he'll see James say it and think you know, that's better than what I had in mind, I'm going to go with that.
In the Buffy comics - we have one guy playing all the roles - Georges Jeanty, who sometimes changes to other artists. We see Jeanty's interpretation of the writers words, not the actors SMG, NB, AH, ASH, JM, etc. So not to be picky or anything, the comics can't be canon. They aren't even what Whedon would write if he were doing it as a tv series - because he doesn't have the limits of tv nor the restrictions. How anyone can define the comics as a continuation of the story on tv is beyond me. What it is - is how Whedon and his current team of collaborators see that story continuing. But we are missing a few key players here: David Fury, David Greenwalt, David Solomon, and several others. Plus we are adding a few players who wouldn't have written for the tv series such as Brad Metzler who is co-plotting the story,
and Brian K. Vaughn.
I enjoy the comics, which have been bloody brilliant in places, but I don't see them as being a true continuation of the tv series. I do think that Whedon sees them in that way, so I'm somewhat critical of the laspes in continuity - such as Warren's thread, which pushes my suspension of disbelief a bit far. I'm sorry, but I am having troubles buying that Warren posed as the First when Andrew could walk right through him. Do these writers even remember what they wrote in S6-7? Hello, it's not like they can't rewatch the episodes on DVD before putting pen to paper, fanfic writers do it. And... I have a sinking feeling the Twilight reveal may add to that problem. I've thought about it, none of the lead or recurring heroes in the story make logical sense as Twilight unless we are doing a time travel storyline. Xander - sorry it does not work. That would have to be seriously retconned. Angel and Spike? Same deal. You'd have to retcon that one. And if they did it? I'm guessing they'd lose half their readers to IDW permanently. They'd lose me, because it makes no sense, has not been sufficiently built, and unravels the characters arcs. Plus it hurts another comic enterprise and that's just rude. Giles? Again a serious retcon and time travel - because he's been accounted for all this time. Willow? See Xander and Giles. Plus a bit out of character - she's into magic. Caleb? Didn't we already do this with Warren? Andrew - okay, but another character that has been accounted for and would have to be retconned. Also doesn't fit size or shape. Harth? Sigh, too easy, and time-travel involved, but plausible. Robin Wood? Definite possibility, not a character that has definitely been accounted for. But I'm not sure I see Robin empowering vampires, considering one killed his mother. Also the message that sends...is a bit disturbing to say the least. Ethan? Twilight killed Ethan. So another retcon, a la Warren. Jonathan? God, does anyone but Tara and Jenny and Joyce stay dead?
I get this is horror, but please. Dawn? She was otherwise engaged/indisposed. I mean it does have to make logical sense? Right? The Twilight reveal is going to be tricky. The only characters that would not require too much retcon are probably Andrew and Robin Wood.
And I don't think either works as Twilight.
I miss the tv shows sometimes, much shorter wait between episodes, granted we'd have three long months between seasons, but that's not as bad as just one episode a month. Makes me wonder if the folks waiting for the trade paperbacks might not have the right idea.
Me to work colleague: I'm having a bad day.
Work colleague: You don't have stitches in your eyebrow, your ankle isn't sprained any longer, you don't have a bunged up knee, and you aren't hobbling?
Me: no...
Work: isn't that bad then.
Me: good point. Could definitely be worse.
Made me laugh, anyhow.
In other news...IDW - which has been doing the Angelverse comics, is actually being a bit more innovative than Dark Horse. Bill Willingham is taking over the Angel comic latter this year and guess what? Angel is leaving his own comic, it's being taken over by Connor, with Angel as a recurring character. In short, Connor is going to be the main character in the Angel comics. Before Connor takes front and center, we had an issue centered on Gunn, and a mini-series entitled Angel Only Human - about Gunn and Illyria taking a road trip together.
After that we get the two part Drusilla After The Fall comics written by Juliet Landau,
Brian Lynch, and art by Franc Urru with Juliet Landau's driving it so to speak. This is a story developed by Juliet and what Juliet thinks Dru was doing all this time. And then, we get a two part comic by Brian Lynch and Frank Urru - about Spike and Angel infilterating the San Diego Comic Con to see the film version of their experiences in Angel After the Fall - entitled Last Angel in Hell - starring Nicolas Cage as Angel and some female actress as Spike.
Then finally in December, in the Angel Annual, we get the movie Last Angel in Hell in comic form.
Buffy meanwhile just continues the series of Buffy S8 except in comic form.
Anyhow - Connor fans on my flist take note - the character is about to get his own comic series as a demon fighter, even if it is still named Angel. (I'm guessing that IDW wasn't that thrilled with Kelly Armstrong's take on the series, since they seem to be going in a completely different direction. Can't say I blame them, I found the Armstrong series unreadable.)
Dru fans? Dru gets a two-parter, and it has been strongly indicated that she will continue to make appearances in the comics. (About Bloody time!)
And Spike fans? Lynch is coming back in 2010 with a full-fledged Spike Aftermath comic, where Spike is the lead. YAY! (I love Lynch's take on the character. )
Is this canon? Hell no. I don't really consider any of the comics canon - in that they are a realistic continuation of the story we saw on tv, no matter what the writers/editors want us to believe. Even if Whedon wrote them all, I wouldn't think that. The Buffy ones potentially come closest - but we are still missing vital collaborators and those are the actors. The actors interpreted the words the writers wrote and the direction the directors provided. They weren't, no matter how much the writers like to think this, empty puppets or pieces of meat to be moved about on stage. Without the actors, costumers, set designers, stunt men and women, makeup artists, and directors - the story is just a shooting script. People often use shooting scripts to justify a point in an essay - but the shooting script often differs from what is seen onscreen. Why? Because you are having someone other than yourself interpreting those words. James Marsters may read and interpret a line very different than you do or Whedon does. Whedon may direct him to say it certain way, but sometimes he'll see James say it and think you know, that's better than what I had in mind, I'm going to go with that.
In the Buffy comics - we have one guy playing all the roles - Georges Jeanty, who sometimes changes to other artists. We see Jeanty's interpretation of the writers words, not the actors SMG, NB, AH, ASH, JM, etc. So not to be picky or anything, the comics can't be canon. They aren't even what Whedon would write if he were doing it as a tv series - because he doesn't have the limits of tv nor the restrictions. How anyone can define the comics as a continuation of the story on tv is beyond me. What it is - is how Whedon and his current team of collaborators see that story continuing. But we are missing a few key players here: David Fury, David Greenwalt, David Solomon, and several others. Plus we are adding a few players who wouldn't have written for the tv series such as Brad Metzler who is co-plotting the story,
and Brian K. Vaughn.
I enjoy the comics, which have been bloody brilliant in places, but I don't see them as being a true continuation of the tv series. I do think that Whedon sees them in that way, so I'm somewhat critical of the laspes in continuity - such as Warren's thread, which pushes my suspension of disbelief a bit far. I'm sorry, but I am having troubles buying that Warren posed as the First when Andrew could walk right through him. Do these writers even remember what they wrote in S6-7? Hello, it's not like they can't rewatch the episodes on DVD before putting pen to paper, fanfic writers do it. And... I have a sinking feeling the Twilight reveal may add to that problem. I've thought about it, none of the lead or recurring heroes in the story make logical sense as Twilight unless we are doing a time travel storyline. Xander - sorry it does not work. That would have to be seriously retconned. Angel and Spike? Same deal. You'd have to retcon that one. And if they did it? I'm guessing they'd lose half their readers to IDW permanently. They'd lose me, because it makes no sense, has not been sufficiently built, and unravels the characters arcs. Plus it hurts another comic enterprise and that's just rude. Giles? Again a serious retcon and time travel - because he's been accounted for all this time. Willow? See Xander and Giles. Plus a bit out of character - she's into magic. Caleb? Didn't we already do this with Warren? Andrew - okay, but another character that has been accounted for and would have to be retconned. Also doesn't fit size or shape. Harth? Sigh, too easy, and time-travel involved, but plausible. Robin Wood? Definite possibility, not a character that has definitely been accounted for. But I'm not sure I see Robin empowering vampires, considering one killed his mother. Also the message that sends...is a bit disturbing to say the least. Ethan? Twilight killed Ethan. So another retcon, a la Warren. Jonathan? God, does anyone but Tara and Jenny and Joyce stay dead?
I get this is horror, but please. Dawn? She was otherwise engaged/indisposed. I mean it does have to make logical sense? Right? The Twilight reveal is going to be tricky. The only characters that would not require too much retcon are probably Andrew and Robin Wood.
And I don't think either works as Twilight.
I miss the tv shows sometimes, much shorter wait between episodes, granted we'd have three long months between seasons, but that's not as bad as just one episode a month. Makes me wonder if the folks waiting for the trade paperbacks might not have the right idea.
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Date: 2009-07-29 03:30 am (UTC)http://www.newsarama.com/comics/070925-sdcc-IDWAngel.html
And the non-spoilery blurb, the rest does have spoilers about Gunn unfortunately, but they have zip to do with Connor:
With that, Ryall indicated that Brian Lynch was leaving the Angel title after his two-part project and asked if there were any volunteers in the audience who would like to write the book. Two men began waving their arms and playfully wrestling. Ryall welcomed Bill Willingham and Bill Williams to the panel. Willingham will be taking over as writer for the Angel ongoing starting with issue #28. The two Bills discussed their plans, with Williams telling back-up stories in each issue. His back-ups feature a new character, left over from the struggles in Los Angeles....
Willingham confirmed that Angel would be disappearing from the pages of his own book and that Connor would be taking over in his dad’s place for a while. Willingham addressed the audience, “[Angel] isn’t going to be around for a while, but through the magic of comic books, the readership will know where he is... and the events of Bill’s back-up stories will have the two characters crashing together in a really maniacal way down the road.” Willingham joked about Connor’s amorous pursuits; he laughed, “Connor’s got this ‘cougar radar’ that I want to explore.” He also talked about a thematic change in terms of the temporary new protagonist, saying, “Connor has his own little army of demons, it’s going to be an interesting turn, and a new take on exploiting moral conundrums.”
Several questions were asked by the audience with higher spots of the dialog revolving around Ryall and Juliet Landau discussing collaboration. Landau smiled, “I loved the process. It’s incredible to have something in your head come to frutition.” Bill Willingham also elicited more laughter from the audience as he regarded an audience member’s last question, by saying, “Don’t worry the cougar-ish-iousness of the series will continue.”
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Date: 2009-07-29 03:43 am (UTC)