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I didn't see this on my flist, but someone referred obliquely to it on FB, stating they did not heart NY. NY was not a rainbow state. So I decided to look it up.

The Conservative Stance, which still makes absolutely no logical sense to me: http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/12/02/new-york-state-senate-rejects-gay-marriage-focus-turns-to-nj/

Course the explanation may be rather simple - such as sometimes a table is just a table and a homophobe is just well a homophobe.

The NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/nyregion/03marriage.html

I can't say I'm surprised, after all this is the same Senate that could not agree on anything for six months, and one of the Senators slashed his girlfriend's face open with a knife. Plus NY is fairly conservative on certain issues.

But it does annoy me that people still think with hate in their gut, and use their religious beliefs and God to bolster it. Gives religion and God a bad name, has zip to do with either - and everything to do with one four letter word we all know all too well - FEAR.

Date: 2009-12-03 09:54 am (UTC)
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Depressing though that is, I think this possibly trumps it.

Date: 2009-12-03 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Yep, that is a lot worse. Goes to show you, no matter how depressing life gets - it could always be worse.

Uganda...sigh. And unfortunately it's not the only one who does this. At least here - killing someone based on their sexual orientation is a crime, punishable by imprisonment.

Date: 2009-12-03 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] embers-log.livejournal.com
wonderful (and fairly short) speech on the Marriage Equality bill:

this issue makes me very angry at the religious fundamentalist who I cannot call Christians because Christians would care more about other people.

Date: 2009-12-04 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candleanfeather.livejournal.com
That's so, so disappointing and what's happening in Uganda is just horrible. I can't understand the reasonnings behind the opposition: it's silliness speaking behind all these discourses of gay rights are going to "distroy mariage and society", "they're a threat to humanity" (Heard that in France too!) How can you believe such stupidities?

Date: 2009-12-05 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
It is disappoint and a bit horrifying, isn't it? And I can't delude myself that it is any better elsewhere...if anything in some places, it is just worse.

I don't understand the fear. I remember arguing the point with someone once - asking how it could possibly affect them. They said it offended them. And I said, but why? How does it affect you? It doesn't change your life in any way. How does hurting someone else make your life better? But they don't see it that way.
One woman kept arguing freedom of speech - that permitting the legalization of gay marriage would interfer with religious rights. Which is ludicrious/ridiculous. But people believe it. They are so irrational about it and so much of it has to do with what they have been taught to believe and value.
They can't handle the possibility that what they were taught and the people that taught it was wrong. It's really no different than racism or sexism, but people can't quite see that.

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