Lost - Season Premiere: LAX Parts 1 &2
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selenak did a great analysis of this episode as well as a fairly decent critique of Dollhouse - both of which I more or less agree with.
But, I have few things of my own to add....
1. Juliet's choice or why she pushed that button.
Jughead, the hydrogen bomb that Faraday told his parents to bury in 1954, is the same one that Jack and Sayid dig up, arm and bring to the Swan upon Faraday's advice. Faraday believes he's found a loop-hole, that he can change all of their destiney's, that he can save Charolotte's life. That the future can be alterred. Jack, Hurley, and Sayid hear Faraday's plan and buy it. Kate is blatantly against it. Miles is skeptical. Kate goes with Juliet and Sawyer on the sub with the plan to convince them to come back with her and foil Jack's plan. Juliet surprises Sawyer by agreeing to do so, after he denied her request. Then Juliet changes her mind again and decides to help Jack, and Kate more or less comes along for the ride.
Juliet chooses to aid Jack in blowing up the Swan and altering history so the plane crash never happens. It is worth noting that it doesn't initially occur to Jack that if the bomb goes off, everyone who is currently on the island who is not a passenger from Flight 815 and belongs in that timeline could be killed. It does however occur to Kate, and Juliet certainly knows this - as does Sawyer. It is the reason they come back to stop Jack. Who does become aware of it, after Kate and Sawyer explain it to him - but he doesn't care, his view is you're better off dead than being on that island. (Jack reminds me a lot of Angel. Seems to be a fairly common character trope in fiction.) Juliet, desperate and fearful of losing Sawyer, decided what the heck, I have nothing to lose, let's blow this joint - so she picks Jack's solution - her motivation is complicated. It is based in part on jealousy and her fear of losing Sawyer to Kate. (Note she already had to deal with losing Jack to Kate before they got sent hurtling through time and she fell for Sawyer. So it is understandable she would not want to go through it again. While Juliet moved on from the Juliet/Jack/Kate/Sawyer quad of doom, she's not positive that Sawyer has. Partly because Sawyer actually had sex with Kate, which Juliet got to view on a videocam and torture Jack with ages ago. While Juliet merely crushed on Jack with unrequited love. She's also a child of parents who split up. Divorced a husband cheating on her. And slept with another woman's husband (Goodwin), who she loved and who was killed by Ana Luci, while Ben crushed on Juliet. Juliet's experiences regarding love quadrangle's of doom usually end with a) Juliet being odd man out and the other woman chosen over her, b) death of her loved one, or c) being hurtled through time while your lover jumps off island with other woman. In short, the odds aren't exactly in her favor here.) It is also in part - the fact that she is sick and tired of being fate's pawn - it's well past time she took matters into her own hands. So she pulls herself to the bomb, knowing she'll die either way, with the bleak hope that by detonating it - she might, possibly live, and might possibly find her way back to Sawyer in that life. It's a leap of faith for a woman who feels she has nothing left to lose.
And we discover, via Miles who speaks to the dead Juliet, that her plan worked - more or less. That the flashes to LAX are not hallucinations or dreams, and not in Jack's head. There is another timeline. They just aren't aware of it.
So Juliet by her actions may well have created the parallel or splinter universe which from this point forward will be called the Juliet Verse or if you prefer Jughead verse, could even be Jacob or Jack Verse - in shorthand J Verse. I prefer Juliet - because she's my favorite character, somewhat ambivalent towards Jacob and Jack - who are basically versions of the same name, along with John - there's either a reason behind that or the writers aren't that creative when it comes to naming things. And I frigging hate spelling parallel. And Reboot!Verse is not correct.
This is not really a Reboot...more of a splinter. A Reboot - would mean a timeline changed from the very beginning - a whole new timeline. This is a timeline that from 0 BC - approximately 1977, is the same as the current timeline. It splits off in 1977 and becomes a whole new timeline - one in which the island does not play a factor in the characters' lives because it has been sunken by the hydrogen bomb.
2. Creation of the J Verse. I was not surprised that the writers chose the parallel universe idea. They say it's not the safe option in interviews and I wonder what they thought would be a safe option? Personally, I'm just relieved it's not a reboot or reset button, because been there done that. But I was 98% sure it would be parallel after I saw Star Trek this summer from the same writers. They did the same thing in that movie that they do here - create a temporal anamoly that causes time to split off into two parallel lines. You can't change an event in the past without causing time to split off into another thread. The current timeline is intact, the new one parallels it. This is considered parallel string theory. Highly controversial field of physics, not to mention incredibly confusing - but quite popular with science-fiction writers. Everyone who plays with time travel - does it. Can be a bit head-ache inducing, which may explain why they waited until now to play with it. It does however work well with the central theme - being Lost. The characters have splintered themselves off into two time lines. They are existing in both simultaneously. Splintered. But not aware of it. Except for Juliet who died.
What surprised me - was not the creation of the parallel universe, but the decision to continue following the characters in the current one - that's risky, and hard to do without confusing your audience. So that in effect we have a narrative structure that shows us what is happening in the Island/Original Universe (or Smokey's Verse, I prefer Island, although I think Smokey is part of the Island or the Island), and the J Verse or Splintered/New Verse. I really expected them to just do one or the other. Rather pleased to get both.
One of the things that makes Lost different from other series is the continuous experimentation with narrative structure - and doing so without hopelessly losing the majority of their audience in the process. The exploration fits with the thematic structure and serves as a further exploration of it - ie. what it means to be "lost". In that respect, it does not feel like a gimmick - a la 24.
A couple of interesting bits about the J verse.
* Charlie tells Jack that he should be dead. That he was supposed to have died. (He's dead in the current verse and died a hero, redeemed.) Here he is a drug addict and a somewhat suicidal one being arrested by the cops.
* Jack sees Desmond on the plane, he is sitting next to him at one point, and does not appear to be anywhere near Penny, nor do we see Penny. (Desmond will be in the story, but not a featured player - there was apparently a bit of off-screen/back stage drama that may have limited his involvement. He was accused of sexually harrassing a production assistant and settled the case this past October. I got this from last week's Entertainment Weekly.)
*Hurley states fairly happily and without irony that he is the world's luckiest man.
* Kate ends up hijacking Claire's cab. Which means she may well end up delivering Claire's kid again. She did this in the Island/Original Verse.
* Jack meets John Lock - and informs him that he could help him, being a spinal surgeon. Knew there was a connection there...Jack is a spinal surgeon and Lock is in a wheelchair. Also the body in the coffin. Jack's father's in it and gets 'lost' in transit. Lock loses his 'knives' in transit. The two things both characters constantly have with them on the Island and define themselves with - Jack's relationship with his father, the coffin, and that body, and Lock using the knives to hunt with, kill with, and show his strength. Those are the two things "lost". While John and Jack are found in LAX. Also, their reasons for being in Australia and on that plane are linked to those two items. Jack is there because he's carting his father's body from Australia. It was the only reason he went to Australia, to bring back his father's body. John is there because he wanted to go on walkabout, that's the reason for the knives. Yet in LAX, as they talk, both shrug off these items as being relatively unimportant. When John Lock states he lost his knives, Jack asks what are you, a knife salesman? When Jack mentions his father being lost, John says just his body. But both are on that island deep under water.
[This was amongst my favorite scenes. Terry Q is a bit like JM in Buffy, you like all his scenes no matter who they are with. The hallmark of an extraordinary actor is he/she makes the other actors/characters more interesting.]
* Another interesting bit - the stewardess. The scene where the stewardess gives him a stiff drink is reminiscent of a scene from the year before, where the stewardess cut him off from drinking and gave him the newspaper that announced Lock's death. Also in the Island Verse - the stewardess is Cindy, and living amongst the people at the Temple.
* When did the J Verse separate from the Island verse - well this interesting, it was not when Sayid, Sawyer and Juliet changed the course of Ben's life. Nor was it when Faraday changed his mother's life, or the picture was taken of the people back in time. No, the time-changing event, or Faraday's Loop-Hole - the thing that lay outside fate's hands and splintered time as a result - was removing the island. It was sunk under the sea and all that inhabited it except of course our time travelers who were hurtled back to the present along with everything they had with them at the time - the van, the wreckage. The island under the sea - means that Ben is dead in the J Verse, as is everyone who was on that island in 1977 that did not get on a sub. This includes Charles Widmore, Eloise Hawkings, Richard Alpert, Benjamin Linus, Jacob, Smokey, Horace, etc. It also means that Juliet never came to the island. Nor did Danielle Rosseau. Penny's existence depends on when she was concieved and how old she is. In other words, Penny, unless Widmore left the island prior to 1977 and had her, does not exist. I'm guessing he did, because she looks about Sawyer's age and Sawyer was alive in 1977 as was Kate and Jack. But Faraday was not. So Penny is most likely alive as is Miles and Charlotte (the archeologist) in this verse - since both got off the island. But it probably means that Widmore is dead as is Faraday in this timeline.
* Shannon isn't on the plane and Boone is alone, because she didn't want to leave the relationship she had in Australia. A marked contrast to Island/Original verse.
3. The Island/Original Verse.
*Was not at all surprised Sayid survived. More or less waiting for it. I'm not sure if he will be Jacob reborn, although that would be ironic. Jacob reborn in the body of a torturer and killer - while Smokey is residing in the body of a tortured soul. The healing Temple has been referred to before, by the way, this is the same Temple that Richard Alpert brought Ben Linus to after Sayid shot him. Sayid was shot by Ben Linus's father because he shot Ben. Sawyer and Juliet begged Alpert to heal Ben, and Alpert stated that to do so would change the boy, he would not be the same. It is also the same Temple that drove Danielle's party insane. Smokey was often found underneath the Temple or moving about it's walls and Smokey was the one who drove Danielle's party crazy.
So, was part of Jacob reborn in Ben as well? Puts a whole new twist on the Ben/Jacob relationship. Alpert even states, Jacob has chosen to help Ben.
What does it mean for Sayid? And why was the water red, not clear? Is Jacob connected to it?
*The symbol in the guitar case is a giant Ankh - an Egyptian unilateral character that means eternal life. And inside it, after it is splintered, a note is found with the passengers names and the words, our lives depend on you saving Sayid or something to that effect.
*The Temple folks are a bit like the Ilana (or the people asking what stands in the shadow of the statue), violent but more in the protective sense of the word - they also seem to know how to keep Smokey at bay. They use ash. Apparently Smokey can't cross it.
*The Loop Hole. Faraday found his loop hole around the same time that Smokey found his. Smokey's involved the manipulation of Ben Linus - something he may well have been working at since 1977. Since we see him visiting Ben as his mother. And it may have been Smokey that healed Ben not Jacob. Note the barrier wall - keeps out Smokey as well as the Others - that's the reason for it, to keep out Smokey - the island's security system or so we're told in previous episodes. Later Ben's group uses it to keep Smokey at Bay. And Smokey appears to be the only thing on the island that scares the beejesus out of Ben. Not to mention Richard Alpert. Also it is notable that both Alpert and Ben at different points echo the Man in Black's views to Jacob - that people can't be trusted, that the newcomers are violent, and we must do away with them. Except the Man on Black much like Jack wants to go home, while John Locke and Jacob want to stay.
* If you can't handle love triangles - prepare yourself for the return of the Kate/Sawyer/Jack triangle of doom. According to EW and the writers - it is central to this season and something they will be focusing on. I'm ambivalent. Don't care one way or the other. Nor do I entirely understand why they keep focusing on it - thought it had been resolved last year, but guess not. Unresolved love triangles give me a headache. I like all three characters for different reasons, but my favorite is Sawyer. (Actually favorite characters are Sawyer, Lock, Ben, Juliet, Sun, Sayid, and Faraday - who I shall sorely miss. Yes, I like the ones with a bit of street-smarts.) I guess it makes sense in a way - since it has been the one through-thread in the series. They are also the three leaders. Jack is the leader at first, then Sawyer, and now Kate. So from a character arc and thematic standpoint - yeah, I guess that you sort of have to go there. All three are lost. I have a sneaking suspicion (hope) they aren't a love triangle in J/Splinter Verse and may not even have any contact with each other outside of the brief bits we already saw. Sort of hoping that's the case. At any rate I think what happens in J/Splinter/New Verse is supposed to be a marked contrast to Island/Original Verse.
Okay bed time. Up too late again. Sigh.
selenak did a great analysis of this episode as well as a fairly decent critique of Dollhouse - both of which I more or less agree with.But, I have few things of my own to add....
1. Juliet's choice or why she pushed that button.
Jughead, the hydrogen bomb that Faraday told his parents to bury in 1954, is the same one that Jack and Sayid dig up, arm and bring to the Swan upon Faraday's advice. Faraday believes he's found a loop-hole, that he can change all of their destiney's, that he can save Charolotte's life. That the future can be alterred. Jack, Hurley, and Sayid hear Faraday's plan and buy it. Kate is blatantly against it. Miles is skeptical. Kate goes with Juliet and Sawyer on the sub with the plan to convince them to come back with her and foil Jack's plan. Juliet surprises Sawyer by agreeing to do so, after he denied her request. Then Juliet changes her mind again and decides to help Jack, and Kate more or less comes along for the ride.
Juliet chooses to aid Jack in blowing up the Swan and altering history so the plane crash never happens. It is worth noting that it doesn't initially occur to Jack that if the bomb goes off, everyone who is currently on the island who is not a passenger from Flight 815 and belongs in that timeline could be killed. It does however occur to Kate, and Juliet certainly knows this - as does Sawyer. It is the reason they come back to stop Jack. Who does become aware of it, after Kate and Sawyer explain it to him - but he doesn't care, his view is you're better off dead than being on that island. (Jack reminds me a lot of Angel. Seems to be a fairly common character trope in fiction.) Juliet, desperate and fearful of losing Sawyer, decided what the heck, I have nothing to lose, let's blow this joint - so she picks Jack's solution - her motivation is complicated. It is based in part on jealousy and her fear of losing Sawyer to Kate. (Note she already had to deal with losing Jack to Kate before they got sent hurtling through time and she fell for Sawyer. So it is understandable she would not want to go through it again. While Juliet moved on from the Juliet/Jack/Kate/Sawyer quad of doom, she's not positive that Sawyer has. Partly because Sawyer actually had sex with Kate, which Juliet got to view on a videocam and torture Jack with ages ago. While Juliet merely crushed on Jack with unrequited love. She's also a child of parents who split up. Divorced a husband cheating on her. And slept with another woman's husband (Goodwin), who she loved and who was killed by Ana Luci, while Ben crushed on Juliet. Juliet's experiences regarding love quadrangle's of doom usually end with a) Juliet being odd man out and the other woman chosen over her, b) death of her loved one, or c) being hurtled through time while your lover jumps off island with other woman. In short, the odds aren't exactly in her favor here.) It is also in part - the fact that she is sick and tired of being fate's pawn - it's well past time she took matters into her own hands. So she pulls herself to the bomb, knowing she'll die either way, with the bleak hope that by detonating it - she might, possibly live, and might possibly find her way back to Sawyer in that life. It's a leap of faith for a woman who feels she has nothing left to lose.
And we discover, via Miles who speaks to the dead Juliet, that her plan worked - more or less. That the flashes to LAX are not hallucinations or dreams, and not in Jack's head. There is another timeline. They just aren't aware of it.
So Juliet by her actions may well have created the parallel or splinter universe which from this point forward will be called the Juliet Verse or if you prefer Jughead verse, could even be Jacob or Jack Verse - in shorthand J Verse. I prefer Juliet - because she's my favorite character, somewhat ambivalent towards Jacob and Jack - who are basically versions of the same name, along with John - there's either a reason behind that or the writers aren't that creative when it comes to naming things. And I frigging hate spelling parallel. And Reboot!Verse is not correct.
This is not really a Reboot...more of a splinter. A Reboot - would mean a timeline changed from the very beginning - a whole new timeline. This is a timeline that from 0 BC - approximately 1977, is the same as the current timeline. It splits off in 1977 and becomes a whole new timeline - one in which the island does not play a factor in the characters' lives because it has been sunken by the hydrogen bomb.
2. Creation of the J Verse. I was not surprised that the writers chose the parallel universe idea. They say it's not the safe option in interviews and I wonder what they thought would be a safe option? Personally, I'm just relieved it's not a reboot or reset button, because been there done that. But I was 98% sure it would be parallel after I saw Star Trek this summer from the same writers. They did the same thing in that movie that they do here - create a temporal anamoly that causes time to split off into two parallel lines. You can't change an event in the past without causing time to split off into another thread. The current timeline is intact, the new one parallels it. This is considered parallel string theory. Highly controversial field of physics, not to mention incredibly confusing - but quite popular with science-fiction writers. Everyone who plays with time travel - does it. Can be a bit head-ache inducing, which may explain why they waited until now to play with it. It does however work well with the central theme - being Lost. The characters have splintered themselves off into two time lines. They are existing in both simultaneously. Splintered. But not aware of it. Except for Juliet who died.
What surprised me - was not the creation of the parallel universe, but the decision to continue following the characters in the current one - that's risky, and hard to do without confusing your audience. So that in effect we have a narrative structure that shows us what is happening in the Island/Original Universe (or Smokey's Verse, I prefer Island, although I think Smokey is part of the Island or the Island), and the J Verse or Splintered/New Verse. I really expected them to just do one or the other. Rather pleased to get both.
One of the things that makes Lost different from other series is the continuous experimentation with narrative structure - and doing so without hopelessly losing the majority of their audience in the process. The exploration fits with the thematic structure and serves as a further exploration of it - ie. what it means to be "lost". In that respect, it does not feel like a gimmick - a la 24.
A couple of interesting bits about the J verse.
* Charlie tells Jack that he should be dead. That he was supposed to have died. (He's dead in the current verse and died a hero, redeemed.) Here he is a drug addict and a somewhat suicidal one being arrested by the cops.
* Jack sees Desmond on the plane, he is sitting next to him at one point, and does not appear to be anywhere near Penny, nor do we see Penny. (Desmond will be in the story, but not a featured player - there was apparently a bit of off-screen/back stage drama that may have limited his involvement. He was accused of sexually harrassing a production assistant and settled the case this past October. I got this from last week's Entertainment Weekly.)
*Hurley states fairly happily and without irony that he is the world's luckiest man.
* Kate ends up hijacking Claire's cab. Which means she may well end up delivering Claire's kid again. She did this in the Island/Original Verse.
* Jack meets John Lock - and informs him that he could help him, being a spinal surgeon. Knew there was a connection there...Jack is a spinal surgeon and Lock is in a wheelchair. Also the body in the coffin. Jack's father's in it and gets 'lost' in transit. Lock loses his 'knives' in transit. The two things both characters constantly have with them on the Island and define themselves with - Jack's relationship with his father, the coffin, and that body, and Lock using the knives to hunt with, kill with, and show his strength. Those are the two things "lost". While John and Jack are found in LAX. Also, their reasons for being in Australia and on that plane are linked to those two items. Jack is there because he's carting his father's body from Australia. It was the only reason he went to Australia, to bring back his father's body. John is there because he wanted to go on walkabout, that's the reason for the knives. Yet in LAX, as they talk, both shrug off these items as being relatively unimportant. When John Lock states he lost his knives, Jack asks what are you, a knife salesman? When Jack mentions his father being lost, John says just his body. But both are on that island deep under water.
[This was amongst my favorite scenes. Terry Q is a bit like JM in Buffy, you like all his scenes no matter who they are with. The hallmark of an extraordinary actor is he/she makes the other actors/characters more interesting.]
* Another interesting bit - the stewardess. The scene where the stewardess gives him a stiff drink is reminiscent of a scene from the year before, where the stewardess cut him off from drinking and gave him the newspaper that announced Lock's death. Also in the Island Verse - the stewardess is Cindy, and living amongst the people at the Temple.
* When did the J Verse separate from the Island verse - well this interesting, it was not when Sayid, Sawyer and Juliet changed the course of Ben's life. Nor was it when Faraday changed his mother's life, or the picture was taken of the people back in time. No, the time-changing event, or Faraday's Loop-Hole - the thing that lay outside fate's hands and splintered time as a result - was removing the island. It was sunk under the sea and all that inhabited it except of course our time travelers who were hurtled back to the present along with everything they had with them at the time - the van, the wreckage. The island under the sea - means that Ben is dead in the J Verse, as is everyone who was on that island in 1977 that did not get on a sub. This includes Charles Widmore, Eloise Hawkings, Richard Alpert, Benjamin Linus, Jacob, Smokey, Horace, etc. It also means that Juliet never came to the island. Nor did Danielle Rosseau. Penny's existence depends on when she was concieved and how old she is. In other words, Penny, unless Widmore left the island prior to 1977 and had her, does not exist. I'm guessing he did, because she looks about Sawyer's age and Sawyer was alive in 1977 as was Kate and Jack. But Faraday was not. So Penny is most likely alive as is Miles and Charlotte (the archeologist) in this verse - since both got off the island. But it probably means that Widmore is dead as is Faraday in this timeline.
* Shannon isn't on the plane and Boone is alone, because she didn't want to leave the relationship she had in Australia. A marked contrast to Island/Original verse.
3. The Island/Original Verse.
*Was not at all surprised Sayid survived. More or less waiting for it. I'm not sure if he will be Jacob reborn, although that would be ironic. Jacob reborn in the body of a torturer and killer - while Smokey is residing in the body of a tortured soul. The healing Temple has been referred to before, by the way, this is the same Temple that Richard Alpert brought Ben Linus to after Sayid shot him. Sayid was shot by Ben Linus's father because he shot Ben. Sawyer and Juliet begged Alpert to heal Ben, and Alpert stated that to do so would change the boy, he would not be the same. It is also the same Temple that drove Danielle's party insane. Smokey was often found underneath the Temple or moving about it's walls and Smokey was the one who drove Danielle's party crazy.
So, was part of Jacob reborn in Ben as well? Puts a whole new twist on the Ben/Jacob relationship. Alpert even states, Jacob has chosen to help Ben.
What does it mean for Sayid? And why was the water red, not clear? Is Jacob connected to it?
*The symbol in the guitar case is a giant Ankh - an Egyptian unilateral character that means eternal life. And inside it, after it is splintered, a note is found with the passengers names and the words, our lives depend on you saving Sayid or something to that effect.
*The Temple folks are a bit like the Ilana (or the people asking what stands in the shadow of the statue), violent but more in the protective sense of the word - they also seem to know how to keep Smokey at bay. They use ash. Apparently Smokey can't cross it.
*The Loop Hole. Faraday found his loop hole around the same time that Smokey found his. Smokey's involved the manipulation of Ben Linus - something he may well have been working at since 1977. Since we see him visiting Ben as his mother. And it may have been Smokey that healed Ben not Jacob. Note the barrier wall - keeps out Smokey as well as the Others - that's the reason for it, to keep out Smokey - the island's security system or so we're told in previous episodes. Later Ben's group uses it to keep Smokey at Bay. And Smokey appears to be the only thing on the island that scares the beejesus out of Ben. Not to mention Richard Alpert. Also it is notable that both Alpert and Ben at different points echo the Man in Black's views to Jacob - that people can't be trusted, that the newcomers are violent, and we must do away with them. Except the Man on Black much like Jack wants to go home, while John Locke and Jacob want to stay.
* If you can't handle love triangles - prepare yourself for the return of the Kate/Sawyer/Jack triangle of doom. According to EW and the writers - it is central to this season and something they will be focusing on. I'm ambivalent. Don't care one way or the other. Nor do I entirely understand why they keep focusing on it - thought it had been resolved last year, but guess not. Unresolved love triangles give me a headache. I like all three characters for different reasons, but my favorite is Sawyer. (Actually favorite characters are Sawyer, Lock, Ben, Juliet, Sun, Sayid, and Faraday - who I shall sorely miss. Yes, I like the ones with a bit of street-smarts.) I guess it makes sense in a way - since it has been the one through-thread in the series. They are also the three leaders. Jack is the leader at first, then Sawyer, and now Kate. So from a character arc and thematic standpoint - yeah, I guess that you sort of have to go there. All three are lost. I have a sneaking suspicion (hope) they aren't a love triangle in J/Splinter Verse and may not even have any contact with each other outside of the brief bits we already saw. Sort of hoping that's the case. At any rate I think what happens in J/Splinter/New Verse is supposed to be a marked contrast to Island/Original Verse.
Okay bed time. Up too late again. Sigh.
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Date: 2010-02-04 05:43 pm (UTC)No, not at all. I think I understand everything you write; I just don't understand the situation. And your post helped me to figure out a lot of things. Still, a lot of questions remain.
She [Cindy] remembers Jack and the others - because they've been more or less impossible not to notice, quite active.
If she's the Cindy from the original flight 816, she should recognize Jin first - she knew him personally, albeit it has been just a couple of days, until she's got kidnapped.
The question is if it's just lazy writing or means something.
she landed on the opposite side of the island, got kidnapped by Ben, then somehow or other ended up in the Temple with the rest of the people that were picked up by Ben's group.
I just rewatched Cindy's scenes in season 2. I've got the impressuion that she had been kidnapped by the Temple people from the very beginning.
But I don't remember scenes with captives in Ben's headquarters very well. I could be wrong.
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Date: 2010-02-05 07:47 pm (UTC)Lazy writing. Lost has plot holes you could drive a truck through - which is why a lot of people I know gave up on it or hate it.
I tend to be more forgiving ( or I wouldn't have been able to read the Buffy Comics and most of the X-Men comics...).
The writers even admit they didn't have an end-plan until about the fourth season of the series. They'd managed to borrow a page from Ron Moore (who was doing BSG) and convince the network to let them wrap things up, instead of trying to keep it alive until the network chose in its ultimate wisdom to cancell. That's the problem with most tv shows - they have to come up with concepts that can continue perpetually...until someone decides to cancel it.
Sort of like doing a WIP and never knowing if or when it will end. Not the easiest on the plotting, I'd imagine. ;-)
I have no idea if Cindy was part of the group caught by Ben or the Temple. I'd forgotten there was a third group...assuming there actually was one, before now?
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Date: 2010-02-05 08:31 pm (UTC)I rewatched some scenes, thinking about the overall ideas that writers may try to convey. Now I wonder if the season will be about attitude to God and faith. The group on the shore deals with the death of God. The group in the temple witnesses a real miracle that, apparently, should prove to then that God exists. Jacob was just one of God's faces. It would be interesting if Sayid will end up a new messiah.