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shadowkat1. The Vampire Diaries
Hmmm...This season may be somewhat problematic for me, since I'm rooting against the characters.
Not a good thing when you aren't rooting for the characters to succeed in their quest.
* Elena: Dear Diary, I know I haven't written in you for a while, but I'm a vampire now and I hate
it. I so can't deal. [Sigh, does anyone say "Dear Diary" any more?] I've lost all hope.
Stefan: Dear Diary (apparently they still do, who knew?) I've found a way to cure Elena of Vampirism. Suddenly I have hope! (Now go be a nice little boyfriend and share this with Elena? No?)
[Ohhh...this is so romantic, I'm just gonna die, I can't hardly stand it! OMG!!! I have so many feels!!..No, wait, that would be for the commercials for Breaking Dawn, where Bella says in a voice over that she's so happy, she was clearly born to be a vampire. ( Please. Clearly, whomever is writing Vamp Diaries has also been watching Breaking Dawn commercials most likely against their will.) That said, yes, I understand the need to poke fun at Breaking Dawn, but...I thought we were past the duel romantic diary keeping?? Please let's not go back there again.]
* Stop teasing me show, I know you aren't going to kill Damon, Stefan, Tyler, Caroline, Elena or Jeremy...this is getting old. While it would admittedly be jaw-dropping if you did, also a bit painful (for some not all viewers), we know you won't do it.
Although, would not mind if you kicked April, Hayley, or Connor to the curb...oh wait...
Vamp Hunter Connor...we barely knew yah. Actually we didn't know you at all. Vamp Diaries you used to be better at the supporting characters. Hayley, April and Connor are...welll..
Does anyone else miss Michael, Alaric, Rosemarie, Anna and Vicky?
As an aside? Rather like the shout-out to Angel, with the big bad Vampire Hunter being called Connor. Plus I kinda liked the April/Rebecca friendship/romance. Now, April appears to be a romantic possibility for either Jeremy or Matt? Alrighty then. Unless of course someone finds Rebecca and unstakes her - maybe April will?
* On the bright side? Elena's not the damsel this week, FINALLY - She's actually, wait for it, the one who kills someone to save Jeremy (who is playing the damsel - yet again, mainly because they are running out of believable damsels that the audience actually gives a shit about. You can only play Vamp!Elena as damsel for so long...after all. ). Basically she's Damon. Which was sort of a nice change of pace. I admittedly applauded when she killed Vampire Hunter C.
Also nice twist - Stefan and Klaus were so focused on stopping Damon from killing Connor (Vamp Hunter Connor, not Destroyer Connor (or Vampire Hunter D for that matter) (whole different series see above)), that they basically forgot about Vamp!Elena. Can see why...one doesn't tend to think of Elena as being pro-active. Re-active yes, pro-active, no.
* So, what's the big plan here exactly? To save Jeremy, but somehow keep Vamp Hunter Connor under-wraps, yet still revealing bits of the map - so they can cure Elena of Vampirism? Without letting Vamp!Elena or anyone else know about it?? Won't they have to have Connor kill lots of vampires for this to work? So lots of other vampires (not our leads or the hybrids (because they are in short supply as it is)) have to die in order to save Elena? And she's not going to feel guilty over that? Okay.
* Damon: Do you want to cure Elena because you don't think she's cut out to be a vampire or because you can't love her as a vampire?
Stefan: I'll always love Elena regardless, but I don't think she was meant to be a vampire and I want to give her life back. [Well her life on the run from being a blood bag for Klaus' hybrid making machine, but we'll just deal with that little problem later, first things first after all.]
Damon: Okay, but just so you know, I'd love her either way, so if I go down this fairy-tale road, just want you to know I'm doing it for you.
(Oh golly gee, I think I'm gonna swoon...so many feels! (Many of which you don't even want to know about it) Yet oddly better than the opening 'dear dairy' bit, hard to fathom, but there it is.. I actually prefer the Stefan/Damon bro-romance (PLATONIC! Please) to the Elena/Stefan romance which doesn't appear to be going anywhere except in an endless circle, along with Elena/Damon romance which is going around in the same damn circle. Where's the unwritten rule that romantic relationships on these types of tv series have to endlessly go around in the same circles until the series ends? Are all writers this limited in their imaginations? Note to writer's...this gets repetitive after awhile, you can only sustain angst for so long, maybe a year or two, four years...is pushing it.)
Seriously? You know you have a problem with the story when you are rooting against the character's plans. Show? I don't want Elena to be cured. It's lame. Keep her a vampire. Deal with your writing decision, don't write your way out of it. Thank you. In short I don't want Stefan to succeed. I want him to fail and his little dog too...(wait I meant Klaus or maybe that's the other way around?)
* Meanwhile hot witch doctor teacher guy has managed to hypnotize Bonnie.
Bonnie: You can't hypnotize witches. So not gonna work.
Witch Doctor Guy: Then why did you take off your bracelet?
Bonnie: What??? (Gee I absently do that all the time.)
Bonnie with her eyes closed, opens them: I'm so bored. Not into this hypnotizing thing.
Witch Doctor Guy: Then why have you been at it for 7 hours?
Bonnie: What??
Bonnie looks at candle: see didn't light.
Witch Doctor Guy: I don't know about that (gestures at all the candles lit around them)
Me: How do we know you didn't do it???
* Elena discovers guilt. Why she feels guilt over killing insane Vamp Hunter Connor, I don't know. It was technically speaking self-defense. Not like she killed anyone innocent. Like April.
But it does appear to have a nasty side-effect. She wakes up, sees blood all over the place, and Killer in her mirror. Then it disappears.
This was a cool scene and creepy. Williamson does creepy well.
* Rather liked the bit where Damon saved Elena. I think it was Damon. Hard to tell. Could have been Stefan. Or both. Also where Damon and Stefan fight. And Damon almost pulls out Stefan's heart (don't worry no way Damon would ever kill Stefan on this series - might happen in a Whedon show, not in a Kevin Williamson show) , but Stefan tells him about Elena's cure...so he backs off of killing Vamp Connor, only to have Elena kill Vamp Connor instead of Damon.
Stefan: Thanks for not telling Elena.
Damon: Tell her what? That there was a non-existent, possible, alleged cure - which whoops she managed to kill? You're welcome.
I do like snarky characters. Possibly because I am one myself. So I get them. It's deathly serious characters with no sense of humor that I feel an overwhelming need to smack. Lighten up Stefan.
You're alive. (okay relatively speaking). Elena picked you. (again, relatively speaking) You can't have everything. Sigh, some people are never satisfied.
* Sort of curious what witch doctor guy is up to. No worries though. Vamp Hunter Connor - just paved the way for Jeremy to become one of the Brotherhood of the Five (as if he didn't have enough problems or issues). Poor Jeremy...first his parents are killed, then his girlfriends, then his guardian/aunt, then he dies, then his girlfriend brings him back only to break up with him, then he sees ghosts, then his sister becomes a vampire. And Stefan thought he had it rough.
Plus, he gets lied to all the time and compelled all the time. Boy has got to have a complex by now.
If I was Jeremy I would keep my new frigging tattoo to myself.
Hmmm...This season may be somewhat problematic for me, since I'm rooting against the characters.
Not a good thing when you aren't rooting for the characters to succeed in their quest.
* Elena: Dear Diary, I know I haven't written in you for a while, but I'm a vampire now and I hate
it. I so can't deal. [Sigh, does anyone say "Dear Diary" any more?] I've lost all hope.
Stefan: Dear Diary (apparently they still do, who knew?) I've found a way to cure Elena of Vampirism. Suddenly I have hope! (Now go be a nice little boyfriend and share this with Elena? No?)
[Ohhh...this is so romantic, I'm just gonna die, I can't hardly stand it! OMG!!! I have so many feels!!..No, wait, that would be for the commercials for Breaking Dawn, where Bella says in a voice over that she's so happy, she was clearly born to be a vampire. ( Please. Clearly, whomever is writing Vamp Diaries has also been watching Breaking Dawn commercials most likely against their will.) That said, yes, I understand the need to poke fun at Breaking Dawn, but...I thought we were past the duel romantic diary keeping?? Please let's not go back there again.]
* Stop teasing me show, I know you aren't going to kill Damon, Stefan, Tyler, Caroline, Elena or Jeremy...this is getting old. While it would admittedly be jaw-dropping if you did, also a bit painful (for some not all viewers), we know you won't do it.
Although, would not mind if you kicked April, Hayley, or Connor to the curb...oh wait...
Vamp Hunter Connor...we barely knew yah. Actually we didn't know you at all. Vamp Diaries you used to be better at the supporting characters. Hayley, April and Connor are...welll..
Does anyone else miss Michael, Alaric, Rosemarie, Anna and Vicky?
As an aside? Rather like the shout-out to Angel, with the big bad Vampire Hunter being called Connor. Plus I kinda liked the April/Rebecca friendship/romance. Now, April appears to be a romantic possibility for either Jeremy or Matt? Alrighty then. Unless of course someone finds Rebecca and unstakes her - maybe April will?
* On the bright side? Elena's not the damsel this week, FINALLY - She's actually, wait for it, the one who kills someone to save Jeremy (who is playing the damsel - yet again, mainly because they are running out of believable damsels that the audience actually gives a shit about. You can only play Vamp!Elena as damsel for so long...after all. ). Basically she's Damon. Which was sort of a nice change of pace. I admittedly applauded when she killed Vampire Hunter C.
Also nice twist - Stefan and Klaus were so focused on stopping Damon from killing Connor (Vamp Hunter Connor, not Destroyer Connor (or Vampire Hunter D for that matter) (whole different series see above)), that they basically forgot about Vamp!Elena. Can see why...one doesn't tend to think of Elena as being pro-active. Re-active yes, pro-active, no.
* So, what's the big plan here exactly? To save Jeremy, but somehow keep Vamp Hunter Connor under-wraps, yet still revealing bits of the map - so they can cure Elena of Vampirism? Without letting Vamp!Elena or anyone else know about it?? Won't they have to have Connor kill lots of vampires for this to work? So lots of other vampires (not our leads or the hybrids (because they are in short supply as it is)) have to die in order to save Elena? And she's not going to feel guilty over that? Okay.
* Damon: Do you want to cure Elena because you don't think she's cut out to be a vampire or because you can't love her as a vampire?
Stefan: I'll always love Elena regardless, but I don't think she was meant to be a vampire and I want to give her life back. [Well her life on the run from being a blood bag for Klaus' hybrid making machine, but we'll just deal with that little problem later, first things first after all.]
Damon: Okay, but just so you know, I'd love her either way, so if I go down this fairy-tale road, just want you to know I'm doing it for you.
(Oh golly gee, I think I'm gonna swoon...so many feels! (Many of which you don't even want to know about it) Yet oddly better than the opening 'dear dairy' bit, hard to fathom, but there it is.. I actually prefer the Stefan/Damon bro-romance (PLATONIC! Please) to the Elena/Stefan romance which doesn't appear to be going anywhere except in an endless circle, along with Elena/Damon romance which is going around in the same damn circle. Where's the unwritten rule that romantic relationships on these types of tv series have to endlessly go around in the same circles until the series ends? Are all writers this limited in their imaginations? Note to writer's...this gets repetitive after awhile, you can only sustain angst for so long, maybe a year or two, four years...is pushing it.)
Seriously? You know you have a problem with the story when you are rooting against the character's plans. Show? I don't want Elena to be cured. It's lame. Keep her a vampire. Deal with your writing decision, don't write your way out of it. Thank you. In short I don't want Stefan to succeed. I want him to fail and his little dog too...(wait I meant Klaus or maybe that's the other way around?)
* Meanwhile hot witch doctor teacher guy has managed to hypnotize Bonnie.
Bonnie: You can't hypnotize witches. So not gonna work.
Witch Doctor Guy: Then why did you take off your bracelet?
Bonnie: What??? (Gee I absently do that all the time.)
Bonnie with her eyes closed, opens them: I'm so bored. Not into this hypnotizing thing.
Witch Doctor Guy: Then why have you been at it for 7 hours?
Bonnie: What??
Bonnie looks at candle: see didn't light.
Witch Doctor Guy: I don't know about that (gestures at all the candles lit around them)
Me: How do we know you didn't do it???
* Elena discovers guilt. Why she feels guilt over killing insane Vamp Hunter Connor, I don't know. It was technically speaking self-defense. Not like she killed anyone innocent. Like April.
But it does appear to have a nasty side-effect. She wakes up, sees blood all over the place, and Killer in her mirror. Then it disappears.
This was a cool scene and creepy. Williamson does creepy well.
* Rather liked the bit where Damon saved Elena. I think it was Damon. Hard to tell. Could have been Stefan. Or both. Also where Damon and Stefan fight. And Damon almost pulls out Stefan's heart (don't worry no way Damon would ever kill Stefan on this series - might happen in a Whedon show, not in a Kevin Williamson show) , but Stefan tells him about Elena's cure...so he backs off of killing Vamp Connor, only to have Elena kill Vamp Connor instead of Damon.
Stefan: Thanks for not telling Elena.
Damon: Tell her what? That there was a non-existent, possible, alleged cure - which whoops she managed to kill? You're welcome.
I do like snarky characters. Possibly because I am one myself. So I get them. It's deathly serious characters with no sense of humor that I feel an overwhelming need to smack. Lighten up Stefan.
You're alive. (okay relatively speaking). Elena picked you. (again, relatively speaking) You can't have everything. Sigh, some people are never satisfied.
* Sort of curious what witch doctor guy is up to. No worries though. Vamp Hunter Connor - just paved the way for Jeremy to become one of the Brotherhood of the Five (as if he didn't have enough problems or issues). Poor Jeremy...first his parents are killed, then his girlfriends, then his guardian/aunt, then he dies, then his girlfriend brings him back only to break up with him, then he sees ghosts, then his sister becomes a vampire. And Stefan thought he had it rough.
Plus, he gets lied to all the time and compelled all the time. Boy has got to have a complex by now.
If I was Jeremy I would keep my new frigging tattoo to myself.
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Date: 2012-11-09 09:07 am (UTC)And yes, let's keep her a vampire and deal with it.
I thought I read somewhere that Julie Plec said this Season would be "the Season of the Witch" so it may come down to Bonnie vs. the Professor over the fate of everyone else. Which could be interesting especially since Bonnie isn't very fond of vampires but loves her friends.
And yeah, Jeremy. At least he's going to have a storyline for once.
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Date: 2012-11-09 11:15 pm (UTC)I think they are both in love with their "idea" of the other person. Not the actual person. Which was Stefan's problem with Katrina, actually.
So it's a definite character flaw in Stefan.
At any rate, I find them dull too. (Find it difficult to discuss that relationship without snarking at it.)
I thought I read somewhere that Julie Plec said this Season would be "the Season of the Witch" so it may come down to Bonnie vs. the Professor over the fate of everyone else. Which could be interesting especially since Bonnie isn't very fond of vampires but loves her friends.
That appears to be where they are headed. The brotherhood of the five was created by a witch. And the professor was behind Connor and had sent Connor to Mystic Falls. Now that Jeremy is becoming like Connor - this might gave the following people a conflict of interest: Stefan and Bonnie. While it was easy to use Connor, not so much Jeremy.
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Date: 2012-11-10 02:14 am (UTC)Fucking cracked me right up...
Loved the snark!
Wanted to smack Stefan this episode. (So what's new)
It occurred to me, after watching last weeks speech to Beck's and this weeks to Damon, that considering that Stefan has always been hung up on the whole 'I don't wanna a kill, look at me I'm a human loving vampire' thing, he sure took his time to answer her question. And this week he made it clear that he wants the cure for Elena, no mention of them as a couple. Hmmm so maybe eternity is a too much of a long term commitment for Stef. After all, he once loved Beck's and he didn't seem to have a problem with Klaus daggering her, even after she poured her heart out to him.
Though to be fair, that could have had something to do with her killing Elena.
Who knows.
I will say one thing. Stefan's ultimate goal would have to be to kill Klaus so he can't use Elena if she is cured. so I wonder if he intends to sacrifice his brother and all the others to keep her safe. Somehow I just can't see a bunch of humans effectively killing Klaus, so who's gonna stay vampire to do the job? And more to the point, would the cure work for Hybrids, because that would be the best way to nip Klaus in the bud. Then again, if Klaus becomes human what happens to his blood line?
Okay waffled enough... and my brain now hurts. LOL
Ta for the giggle.
Cheers.
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Date: 2012-11-10 04:04 am (UTC)Agreed on Stefan. If he wants to save Elena, he'll ultimately have to kill Klaus, which means killing everyone Elena cares about - which well is a zero sum end equation. He has more or less the same problem with her cure - since the cure is on Jeremy and possibly in Jeremy. Elena can't handle anyone else "dying" for her - the gal has one doozy of a martyr complex as it is. So does Stefan for that matter. I'm guessing this is part of the attraction? Nothing more attractive than another martyr. Damon also appears to be getting one - it may be contagious. At any rate - it is a bit of an conundrum.
Personally, I think he'd be better off finding a way to help Elena deal with being a vampire. But you may well be right...long-term commitments don't work for him? Or...Stefan is a self-hating vampire and has decided being a vampire is the worst fate to bestow on anyone, and since he sort of (inadvertently) bestowed this fate on Elena, by respecting her wishes and saving Matt instead of Elena (see martyr complex)...well then. (One does have to wonder if Stefan would have been happier if Elena kicked the bucket so to speak, instead of becoming a vampire. Which was what Elena wanted, oops, just can't trust doctors nowadays.) In any event, Stefan needs to make up his mind - Elena's love (even if she's dead or undead as the case may be) or her mortal life.
Onward Snark...
Date: 2012-11-10 02:58 pm (UTC)I've commented on one or two other peoples in the past; just stating my thoughts, as I did with yours and the reply from at least one writer, was not a happy one.
I don't get that. Aren't you supposed to enter into a dialog and share your view of an episode so others can go "oh yeah" or 'gee I hope not'.
Me thinks, some people take their own opinions way too seriously, after all it's all just supposition on our parts... isn't it?
And yes Stefan's martyr complex seems to be schizophrenic at time's, it come's and goes depending on the day of the week and who he's eaten, LOL.
But I've wondered, and now, so has Damon... Is Stefan in love with Elena, or is he in love with her humanity? maybe because it makes him feel more human without having to give up any of his lovely vampire perks.
As for Elena.... as much as I love the girl; both Stefan and Damon are vampires, so what's with the whole 'I don't want t be a vampire' thing. If she can love either of them in all their vampire badness, then how can she say she hates being a vampire? Since apparently it's okay to sleep with one.
And her killing the hunter... puleeeze, if she was human and a guy tried to kill her and the people she loved, she wouldn't have had a problem with Damon or even Stefan doing the job. Can we say hypocrite!
Finally... both Stefan and Elena need to have and actual honest conversation about their relationship. They both hide too much of themselves from each other, so much so I doubt that their Epic wuv could survive the actual reality of who they are.
Anyway, I just hope Damon get's laid this season, he needs the stress relief. Hmm maybe hot werewolf chick will oblige.
Sigh... I am just a perv that want's to see nekid Damon. It's sad really. LOL
Ta for the discourse!
Re: Onward Snark...
Date: 2012-11-10 06:13 pm (UTC)Yup. There's also a great deal of emotional investment. It's all good and well to say that you see the other guy's pov, but most of the time people don't. They think the other guy is a nitwit and they are clearly and absolutely right on the money. Once upon a time I thought this was limited to politics and religion, it's not.
But I've wondered, and now, so has Damon... Is Stefan in love with Elena, or is he in love with her humanity? maybe because it makes him feel more human without having to give up any of his lovely vampire perks.
Was wondering much the same thing. Is he in love with her or with the innocent girl? It was similar to Katrina - young Stefan fell in love with the "role" Katrina played for him - the innocent, damsel in distress. He did not like the powerful vampire or the worldly woman.
And Katrina fell in love with Stefan seeing - what she thought of as the good in her - the innocence she lost. The innocent girl she'd been before meeting Klaus. Damon fell in love with the worldly and powerful vampire Katrina and wanted to spend eternity with her. Just as he falls in love with the fiesty and strong Elena, not the innocent damsel he needs to save.
It's why I prefer Damon to Stefan. Guys who fall for damsels deserve to fall on their swords in Sir Lancelot fashion in my opinion.
As for Elena.... as much as I love the girl; both Stefan and Damon are vampires, so what's with the whole 'I don't want t be a vampire' thing. If she can love either of them in all their vampire badness, then how can she say she hates being a vampire? Since apparently it's okay to sleep with one.
Exactly. Also she had no problems with Caroline becoming one. Okay maybe a little, but still. Elena liked being better than Stefan and Damon - I'm the innocent human, I can choose. I'm not the monster.
And her killing the hunter... puleeeze, if she was human and a guy tried to kill her and the people she loved, she wouldn't have had a problem with Damon or even Stefan doing the job. Can we say hypocrite!
Exactly. Heck it wouldn't have bothered her if Alaric did it - which he did in the past. I could understand the angst if it were say the Professor or April or Matt or even Alaric...but this guy tried to kill April, Matt, and Jeremy who aren't vampires. He was not a nice guy.
He was killing innocent people. He almost killed her.
Finally... both Stefan and Elena need to have and actual honest conversation about their relationship. They both hide too much of themselves from each other, so much so I doubt that their Epic wuv could survive the actual reality of who they are.
Agreed. They definitely do. Both idealize the other one. Elena doesn't know who Stefan is any more than he knows who Elena is.
It's all very romantic, but not very sustainable.
Anyway, I just hope Damon get's laid this season, he needs the stress relief. Hmm maybe hot werewolf chick will oblige.
Sigh... I am just a perv that want's to see nekid Damon. It's sad really. LOL
Have to admit so do I. Ian Sommerhandler is hot in this role. I think I watch Vamp Diaries mainly for Damon or Sommerhandler, also Jospheth Morgan playing Klaus, and the guy playing Tyler is not hard on the eyes...Stefan isn't either, it's just he's a bit lipid or weak for my taste. That's incredibly shallow, but there it is.