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This was the result of post about Spiral...a lot of people said they loved Spiral, when I remember a lot of people hating it. So here's a poll of Buffy episodes you liked or hated.
You tell me. No fighting folks. This is all highly subjective. Plus, I'm under stress. If you annoy me, I have claws. But friendly banter and discussion is encouraged.

[Poll #1846742]

PS: IF your answer isn't there, just hit ambivalent or comment. It's impossible to figure out all the possible answers when you do polls. Thanks for taking it!

Date: 2012-06-14 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cindergal.livejournal.com
You forgot Ted. ;-) Lots of people hate Ted. I happen to love it. John Ritter was great, I thought.

I am ambivalent about Amends, but I do like the magic snow. Magic snow fan, no apologies. :-)

Perhaps more Spike fans like Spiral than the general fanbase because there are so many great Spike moments in it.

Date: 2012-06-14 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com
I hate Ted! I skipped in my rewatch. I don't like people being mean to my Buffy.

With you on amends though, and agreed re: Spike moments in Spiral.

Date: 2012-06-15 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
I liked Ted and ran out of room. LOL! They only give you so many slots for these things. Also got tired.

Yes, doing a Spiral poll on journal where 90% of the people apt to answer the poll are either Spike or Spuffy fans or both...is probably not going to get the most accurate result.

Date: 2012-06-14 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
Why does Where the Wild Things Are exist other than Joss throwing a temper tantrum

Date: 2012-06-14 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buffyannotater.livejournal.com
I think I'm the only person who likes Where the Wild Things Are. I will admit that it's not the best episode, but there's a lot about it I really enjoy, particularly the thorns. The episode first came out when I was doing a term paper on fairy tales for a children's literature course, and I found the "Sleeping Beauty" visuals very striking. Given that Bruno Bettelheim interpreted Aurora pricking her finger as being symbolic of her first menstrual cycle and the sleep as being the transition between her childhood and sexual awakening, I always thought the episode worked as a more adult spin on the fairy tale. A flawed one, yes, but I think it has some things to offer that some of the other lesser episodes didn't.

Date: 2012-06-15 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
If you ignore the Riley/Buffy sexathon and the cliche old lady who hates sex from a bad 1970s tv movie...it's not a bad episode.

Just ignore the A plot line and focus on everything else.

*Giles singing
*Spike/Anya
*The weird Sleeping Beauty metaphors

Date: 2012-06-14 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophist.livejournal.com
Temper tantrum? There must be a story I don't know.

Date: 2012-06-14 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
P.O.'d about the delay of "Earshot" due to Columbine and all the "violence in the media" pundit discussions going on in the wake of it. Joss got on a hobby horse about how sex and violence are approached differently by the ratings boards and declared he'd do an all sex episode. And he did. And it was BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRING.

Date: 2012-06-14 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophist.livejournal.com
Thanks -- I'd never heard that.

Of course, the problem was in the execution -- it should have been sex between Angel and Spike. :)

Date: 2012-06-14 03:29 pm (UTC)
lynnenne: (spangel: harder)
From: [personal profile] lynnenne
BWAH. That would have been WAY more interesting!

Date: 2012-06-14 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com
Of course, the problem was in the execution -- it should have been sex between Angel and Spike. :)

OMG THIS!! THIS SO MUCH!

Date: 2012-06-15 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Apparently the ratings boards had less problems with Willow/Tara sex scenes than Angel/Spike...no clue why. ;-)

Yes, Whedon had fun seeing how far he could push the TV envelope and ratings board. All of S6 was Whedon biting his thumb at the board. He got a huge kick out of the fact that the only thing they complained about was Doublemeat Palace and making fun of fast food restaurants. Oddly, the evil penis monster never got a mention. Nor for that matter all of Spike and Buffy hijinks.

Ironically? The British Ratings Board did take exception and cut the hell out of Dead Things, Smashed, Seeing Red and Wrecked...or so I was told. To such an extent that fans complained and they re-aired the episodes at 10 pm uncut. I find this hilarious, because the US had issues with the British drama Skins.

Date: 2012-06-15 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophist.livejournal.com
Maybe they were disappointed that there wasn't some kind of oil involved.

Date: 2012-06-14 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com
It has great Anya & Spike moments. I'd totally forgotten!

Date: 2012-06-14 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cactuswatcher.livejournal.com
When you mentioned Spiral yesterday, I watched it along with Weight of the World, yesterday evening. I found the knights much more objectionable than the episode as a whole. Spiral looks incredibly cheaply shot. But again, not that horrible.

Weight of the World pretty much trashes The Gift if you think about it, so yes, that one I dislike. The plot line runs - Buffy has a mental collapse, then is brought out of catatonia by a college sophmore. Then in less than 24 hours Buffy commits suicide. Brilliant planning ME!

I'll add Doublemeat Palace to the list of stinkers.

Date: 2012-06-15 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Ah, thank you. I know there's more than 2 people out there who didn't like Spiral. Did they leave? Or lose interest?

LOL! Interestingly enough, Mark Watches also adores Weight of the World.
I had mixed feelings about it. Found it rather fascinating...from a character stand-point.

Date: 2012-06-14 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fenchurche.livejournal.com
I ended up choosing Ambivalent a lot, because even in episodes with things I hate, there were almost always at least some good scenes that I'd want to watch again.

That said, one of my answers for the last question wasn't entirely true. I can't really say that I can't "rewatch" AYW because I've never managed to watch it in the first place (I've also never watched "The Body" and have no interest in ever doing so). Of the ones that I've actually watched, I think the only one I would say I never want to rewatch (i.e. it doesn't even have any scenes in it that I'd like to see again) is "Dead Man's Party." Ugh. My opinion of the Scoobies never quite recovered from that episode and it makes me sad.

Date: 2012-06-14 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
I'm that way with "Seeing Red". I literally checked out for the rest of the season and didn't watch the rest of the episodes until substantially later.

Date: 2012-06-14 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebcake.livejournal.com
I'm not crazy about the Knights, but otherwise I don't have many objections to Spiral. I love the Winnebago, I love that Buffy decides to run, I love the goggles, I love the moments between the characters, and I anticipate the "are you saying that Ben and Glory have some kind of...connection?" exchanges to come. Lulz for days.

Amends is my least favorite episode of Buffy, bar none. It's more like an episode of AtS than BtVS, and I say meh. Or perhaps I say something stronger, like grrr!

Seeing Red I sort of love, even though it's really, really hard. And my policy is that no episode where a beloved (to me) character dies will ever go on my list of "favorites", not even Passion, so answer is ambivalent with a side of love.

Which brings me to not-likely-to-rewatch-thanks The Body. It might be an excellent episode, but I do not enjoy it. I just don't need that much pain in my life.

Date: 2012-06-14 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] embers-log.livejournal.com
I've said before that Season 5 was not a favorite, although there was a lot to love in that season (Family, and The Body are two of my favorites from that season....).

The unwatchable episodes (for me) are mostly season 1: I have trouble sitting through Teachers Pet, Never Kill a Boy on the First Date, I, Robot... You, Jane, and Nightmares....
but I still enjoy a number of the other episodes from the first season (none of the seasons are a total wash out, they all have a lot to say).

Date: 2012-06-14 06:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com
People hate "Family"?

And I still maintain that "Doomed" is the worst episode of the whole series.

Date: 2012-06-14 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] treadingthedark.livejournal.com
I never rewatch The Body. Once was enough. I know it always wins "favorite" polls and I don't get it. And I think it encourages Joss in his obsession with killing beloved characters.
The rest of the episodes I hate, I tend to re-watch with my finger on the skip button because there are excellent scenes in each. For example I love all the Anya/Spike stuff in Where the Wild things are.
I just finished watching Spiral and although I enjoy it, there really is no logical explanation for the Knights who say Key. None we are given anyway. Maybe if they just popped up out of a different non technological dimension, or have been in stasis somewhere but we got nothing.
One of the episodes that always makes me insane is End of Days. The rage I feel in parts of that still flares up in the rare times when I see it.

Date: 2012-06-14 03:31 pm (UTC)
lynnenne: (spike: coat)
From: [personal profile] lynnenne
Aw, I kind of like "Doomed," if only for Spike stirring up shit amongst the Scoobies and then finding out he can hurt demons. And then his last scene. "Let's kill something! Oh, come on!" Heeeeeee.

Date: 2012-06-15 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Apparently just me, so far. ;-) In a phrase? "Cliche Red-neck Evil Woman-Hating Family From a Bad 1970s horror flick". Whedon annoys me when he gets didatic, obvious and preachy. I disliked Caleb for the same reasons.

It does much like Doomed, admittedly have its good sections, all centered on Spike. The best thing about Doomed? Spike. The best thing about Family? Spike.
The Tara/Willow stuff is sweet, but Tara's family ...ugh.

Date: 2012-06-14 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophist.livejournal.com
I'm not a fan of the Knights, but I did like Glory as the BB, so I ended up answering "Loved" to that question.

Interesting to see the episodes others don't like to watch. I can understand The Body -- it's really painful. But, to me at least, that puts it in a different category than, say, AYW. One is a great episode which is emotionally hard. The other is dreck that insults the viewers.

Might as well confess that I absolutely love Bad Eggs. Fie on those who voted it down!
Edited Date: 2012-06-14 02:40 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-15 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
I tried to like AYW, and was looking forward to it at the time - because it echoes Into the Woods - but Petrie was given free reign and screwed up royally.
That episode made no sense plot wise. Destroyed the character of Riley, talk about taking an interesting character and making him into a cliche.
And had some of the worst dialogue on the planet...

Spike: "If I knew you were coming, I would have baked you a cake"???

Ugh. I find that episode unwatchable.

Date: 2012-06-14 03:27 pm (UTC)
lynnenne: (willow: that was nifty)
From: [personal profile] lynnenne
I actually love "Seeing Red." Not because of the AR, which is triggery and gross and I always fast-forward through it upon rewatch (and the act break in the middle of that scene is a really bad narrative choice); but because of the ending. The total shock when Tara gets shot, and the look on her face right before she collapses to the ground, and Willow's eyes at the end. And I love the three ominous beats of music leading up to when she looks heavenward and you can see the grief and rage on her face. Gives me chills, every time.
Edited Date: 2012-06-14 03:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-14 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com
"Where the Wild Things Are" and "As You Were" kind of make me want to heave.

And while the ep as a whole wasn't terrible, that demon in s7 who eats Willow's flesh and that demon in s3 when Buffy is sick that feeds on sick kids had to have been the two grossest demons of the series. For serious.

Date: 2012-06-15 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Agree on all of the above.

Although the Spike/Anya bits in WTWTA and Giles singing almost make it bearable.

Date: 2012-06-15 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com
Oh yeah--forgot those were in that ep. If I get around to that ep again, I'll just skip to those bits ^_^

Date: 2012-06-16 06:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] effulgentgirl.livejournal.com
Can't believe nobody's mentioned the 7th season episode Him. I just watched the whole series with my good friends and Him is the only one I told them to skip. The scene with Buffy making out with high schooler RJ just skeeves me right the fuck out.
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