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1. Another hot day...although still not as bad as KC summers. New Yorkers over-react to weather.

"OMG, it's 98 degrees today with a potential heat index of 105-110 in the city! I will never survive! Not for two whole days! Aaah!!"

Or

"OMG, it's 13 degrees, so cold, I can't handle it. I'll die."

Granted extreme temperatures in big cities that aren't used to extreme temperatures are a bit worse than elsewhere, but...one does wonder.

Having spent 17 years in Kansas, where the average temp in the summer is 95 degrees and actually that's fairly mild, we had one summer back in the 1980s in which it was between 100-110 every single day. And yes, it's humid in Kansas. During the winter? Average temp is 10 below 0 or in the teens. Had one winter in 1995 where it was 10 below or more for a month, got to the point that I just wanted to tell the weather man, look I don't need to know how many degrees below 0 it is outside, if it is below 0 - that means it's cold and I don't want to go outside.

NYC is relatively pleasant in comparison and mild. Most of June? 60s and 70s. This is the first real heat that we've had in a long time.

2. Mark Watches and his minions predictions for S6 entertain me. It shouldn't. But it does.
That's how pathetic my life is at the moment - I'm entertained, albeit mildly, by Mark Watches. He's off on S6, except for how Buffy get's brought back - ie. Willow has something to do with it, which is sort of obvious. He like everyone else on that site thinks there will be a new slayer in town or another slayer will be called. No.

Although to be fair, everyone or most everyone was confused by the whole slayer lineage bit. The line no longer goes through Buffy - it goes through Faith, so another slayer won't be called until Faith dies - this does not really get explained until S7. Although I think someone referred to it in S6, I honestly can't remember - haven't watched the series since 2008. My memory is good, but not that good, besides I have all this work stuff to keep track of. (What I often tell pedantic fans - I'm not a human index. Sorry. My memory is more scattered than that.)

Personally? I think they didn't have enough money to add another slayer to the mix and came up with the lineage mythology to get rid of that problem. If Gellar hadn't wanted to come back, there would have been a new slayer called.

*I don’t know that I like it, but Spike and Buffy will at least go on a date once.

Not exactly. Or I guess it depends on how you define date? In Life Serial she does sort of go out on a date with him...or at least he considers it a date. I'm not sure what she considers it to be. Their relationship is rather wonky in S6. I loved it - but I'm also obsessed with gender warfare in fictional storylines and gender power-dynamics. Some people were obsessed with the slayer mythology (oddly this never interested me, oddly because I minored in mythology and probably know more about it than half the people obsessed with it, I'm guessing that may be the reason it never interested me? Personally, I think that Whedon sucks at building a coherent mythology or world-building, so I tend to ignore it or I see all the flaws/Fruedian missteps/anti-feminist contradictions in his logic and want to run in the opposite direction. Part of my problem is I analyze mythology from a psychological perspective not a philosophical one. I'm guessing if you did it from a philosophical angle you may have come up with a different result or perspective. This goes without saying but I'll say it anyway because some doofus out there will most likely attack me for daring to voice my opinion on the above and tell me I'm WRONG. People? It's an opinion and thrown off the cuff at that. Don't take it to heart. I'll undoubtedly contradict myself in twenty years or two months. Wasting your time and mine fighting with me over it is just silly and I don't have the patience for it. Rather long way of saying Your Mileage May Vary - but fandom can be incredibly dense and needs to be hit over the head with it by a hammer.)

Anyhoo...The Spike/Buffy relationship blew me away and fascinated me. I don't know if I would have become an obsessed fan of the series if that relationship did not exist? Or if I'd written any essays? Or bothered coming online? In short, you can possibly blame or thank S6 Spuffy relationship for my presence on Livejournal and all those essays I wrote.
Then again, there were admittedly other factors in play at the time. So who knows?

At any rate...Mark has no idea. Although he might. I'm thinking he may be a wee bit spoiled on Spuffy.

*Dawn will start learning magic from Willow. (I mean… what else can she do now that she survived? God, I hope no one else tries to use her as the Key again.)

I wish. But instead she became a kleptomanic and/or shoplifter and whined a lot about everyone ignoring her. Seriously that was Dawn's arc. I would have preferred more on the Key - but getting back to what I said about Whedon and mythology...

*There will be an episode devoted to Xander and Anya’s glorious wedding!

Yes. But glorious isn't exactly the word I'd use for it. But hey, on the bright side..

We will see both of Xander’s parents at the same time. This isn’t going to ever happen, is it?

Be careful what you wish for...because it does happen. Unfortunately. Poor Xander. Sigh.
Poor me. I did not like Hell's Bells. Actually my least favorite episodes from that season are:

Hells Bells
As You Were
Gone
Doublemeat Palace
All the Way
Wrecked
Older and Far Away (although it is almost saved for all the cool literary references).

I know, I know...you'd think I'd pick Seeing Red or Dead Things - but I actually found those episodes fascinating and ambitious...same deal with Normal Again. There's some brilliant writing in them. The one's above just made me cringe. I tend skip over sections of them upon re-watching. Hells Bells was just so cheaply made and the production value was horrific. Same with Gone, Wrecked, Doublemeat Palace and As You Were. These are episodes I would not show to a friend that I wanted to get interested in this series.
[Your Mileage Probably Varies].

Cordelia will crossover and appear on Buffy. I still want this to happen.

Sorry no. Besides being on separate networks...Gellar and Carpenter did not get along.
Rumor has it that Whedon leapt at moving CC to Angel because it resolved a backstage bickering issue.

1) We will hear Faith’s name once, but we won’t see her. Bah. Bring back Faith. I love her. 6/11

12) Spike will get the chip out of his head by the end of season five. Nope.


Not until S7 and it's very anti-climatic. I was disappointed. I wanted that handled on-screen. Damn Whedon, I could have lived without the Andrew episode and the First Date episode...but really wanted more on Spike and the chip and Buffy's decision. This is the problem with serials - often you'll get stories you don't give a rat's ass about, or you already know the information, while the stories you want to see on-screen and really want resolved - are either resolved off-screen or never mentioned. I tend to get excited when they do get mentioned and referred to - which to be fair, Buffy did most of the time. Most of the time - Whedon resolved things I was insanely curious about on-screen and in a way I never thought he would. Most of the time. But not all the time. Oh well 60/40 ain't bad.
Besides ...I'm guessing not everyone wanted to see the same things I did. Actually no need to guess, I know for a fact that not everyone wanted to see the same things resolved that I did. Some people were more obsessed with Andrew and wanted to see Andrew show remorse for Jonathan. Personally? I didn't care. But I can see why they did.

Faith's return was also regrettably anti-climatic. We never got the Willow/Faith confrontation in Angel. Considering how they left things...or the Giles/Faith. Faith got accepted back into the group way too quickly in S7 (clearly to benefit Whedon's theme and plot). As a result it felt contrived. Her return was not earned. Nor was her position earned. Nor was it realistic. I was jarred out of the story by it and somewhat bored.
They went for the camp, not the emotion - in Dirty Girls. And I think that was a mistake.


Least favorite episodes of S7 include:

Storyteller (Andrew, not a fan)
First Night (Wood, not a fan - that date made me cringe. Gellar and DB had 0 chemistry. I don't know if they got along, most likely, because sometimes you have 0 chemistry because you do get along very well.)
Showtime (with the exception of the Spike/Buffy scenes and the first pretending to be one of the slayers)
Dirty Girls (with the exception of the Faith/Spike scene which was great)
Help (stupid plot-line...and overly melodramatic, not to mention cliche)
Same Time Same Place (gross monster...albeit effective one, the same actor that played the Gentlemen and the same master of makeup and you can tell. But it just felt uneven in places and didn't go far enough.)
End of Days (Angel's return did not work and felt out of character for both Buffy and Angel. As if the writers were forcing the characters to do something either as fan/network/ratings service or to service their plot..but it was so out of character for both, that it jarred me out of the story and felt completely contrived. When you can see the creaky gears of the plot moving along, you know there is a problem.)
Empty Places (out of character moments to service an increasingly creaky plot and theme. I never bought the let's kick Buffy who has saved our lives millions of times out of the house and elect Faith who just returned from prison after trying to kill us all as leader bit. Seriously, am I supposed to believe Giles, Willow and Xander are that stupid?)
Touched - (outside of the Spike bits...sort of silly and over the top, Rebecca Rand Kirshner went for the melodramatic.)

You'd think I'd hate Bring on the Night - but I found it oddly interesting in how it referenced Amends. Also, Get it Down...fascinated me in regards to the various character groupings and character dynamics. I can't remember the episode with Warren/Willow but it was interesting as well in how it dealt with vengeance. I admittedly did not like the Caleb arc - cheesy villain. And was disappointed in how they dealt with Angel's return and
Faith's. Both were a bit predictable and lazy rushed writing in my opinion.

That was the problem with S6 and S7...the writing felt rushed at times and tired. As if the writers were getting burned out along with some of the actors. OTOH - it was also at times the riskiest and most ambitious writing that I've seen on a television series.
They did push the envelope on what was allowed on tv and dealt with some heavy themes.

Date: 2012-06-21 11:14 pm (UTC)
rahirah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rahirah
Actually, there's a pretty damn awesome Faith & Willow conversation in the latest Angel & Faith comic. Not quite about the subjects you're interested in, but it's two characters ACTUALLY HAVING A CONVERSATION about really important emotional stuff that affects them both.

Date: 2012-06-21 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
Really? In the comics? Wow... have to go see that.

Date: 2012-06-22 01:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rahirah
Angel & Faith is really pretty decent, despite my mockage of the evil nipple ring. *g*

Date: 2012-06-22 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Nice try. ;-)

But I'll continue to ignore the comics...although Angel's nipple ring does intrigue. LOL!

Date: 2012-06-23 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] menomegirl.livejournal.com
I just have to pop in and totally agree with [livejournal.com profile] rahirah. Angel and Faith is a pretty damn good story. I find it quite impressive, in spite of season 8.

Date: 2012-06-24 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
They could be wonderful and most likely are. And I still would not be interested.

Don't really know why. It is what it is.

I've moved on to ...well, crappy romance novels. Not that there is that much difference...;-)

Evil Nipple Ring!!!

Date: 2012-06-23 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farmgirl62.livejournal.com
YOMANK.

Sorry to intrude on your musings but ...hee. I'd pay real (extra) money to see Willow or the person they are about to go visit riff on the nipple ring for a while.


Regarding your musings...I resemble your remarks...I am strangely fascinated to watch him experience Buffy without fandom input. I know he's stopped reading the comments because there are just too many hints.

I kind of like to see what his take will be on so many things based on his comments thus far.

And there is a bit of the "unable to turn away from a car wreck" phenomenon. Especially as we geared up for The Gift.

Date: 2012-06-22 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebcake.livejournal.com
most everyone was confused by the whole slayer lineage bit. The line no longer goes through Buffy - it goes through Faith, so another slayer won't be called until Faith dies - this does not really get explained until S7. Although I think someone referred to it in S6

I don't think it's ever addressed on the show. I've read a ton of fanwank on the possibilities, but nothing "official". The only thing that I can think of that comes close is when Giles and Anya talk to Belljoxa's(sp) Eye and it tells them that the line is all screwed up (not a direct quote). I could have forgotten something, though.

Yeah, Season 6 may or may not be my favorite (I can't decide!) but it's definitely part of why I got involved. I've written very little set in that season, but I do think about it a lot. ;-)

Date: 2012-06-22 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
I vaguely remember someone referencing it in either End of Days or Bring on the Night. But I haven't watched it in so long I can't remember. So you may be right.

S5 in my opinion is the best paced and plotted of the seasons. Followed closely by S3 and S2. Even though I prefer many of the episodes in S7 and S6 and find those seasons more interesting than 3 and 2, I admit 3 and 2 from a plot perspective hang together better.

Date: 2012-06-22 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophist.livejournal.com
You nailed the weak episodes in S6, though I'd add Two to Go -- it's a trainwreck.

Date: 2012-06-22 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Agreed. Two to Go does not work either. Too busy and campy. It was like they were trying to do a homage to Howard Hawks and Roger Corman at the same time.
Very silly episode.

They had a lot of ground to cover in a short period of time. S6 was poorly plotted and badly paced. The whole Willow turns evil arc should have started earlier. As a result they had to cram a lot of stuff into two episodes.

Date: 2012-06-22 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cactuswatcher.livejournal.com
*There will be an episode devoted to Xander and Anya’s glorious wedding!*

Yes. But glorious isn't exactly the word I'd use for it


LOL. Well put!

Date: 2012-06-22 06:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elisi
Anyhoo...The Spike/Buffy relationship blew me away and fascinated me. I don't know if I would have become an obsessed fan of the series if that relationship did not exist? Or if I'd written any essays? Or bothered coming online? In short, you can possibly blame or thank S6 Spuffy relationship for my presence on Livejournal and all those essays I wrote.
M-hm. Same here. I was... riveted from OMWF onwards, and Smashed just blew me away. Although it was the end of Grave which is what turned me obsessive. It'd be another year before I went online, but that one moment? Changed everything.

Anyway, I need to get ready for work - thanks for sharing your thoughts. (Mark's predictions ARE entertaining. Esp because S6 is the season he's the least prepared for. As were we all.)

Date: 2012-06-22 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
I can't quite decide what will make Mark crazier at this point...S6 Buffy or S4 Angel. That Cordy story arc comes out of left field.


Agreed...OMWF onwards...and yes, Smashed blew my mind as well. I thought...okay, I can't believe they just did that.

Date: 2012-06-22 06:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Hell my biggest issue in Dirty Girls is that they completely ignored Faith's rape attempt on Xander and she got to joke to Anya about being Xander's first.

But then women on men, or women on women rapes were never treated with even half the severity that they deserved.

I still don't get why they wasted valuable screentime on Xander's wet dream, instead of on giving NB one serious scene with ED to deal with Xander and Faith's issues.

Date: 2012-06-22 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-maia.livejournal.com
I analyze mythology from a psychological perspective not a philosophical one

Interesting! Could you elaborate?

Date: 2012-06-23 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Will try.

Possibly the best example is this essay:

Spike and Buffy - a twist on the Psyche and Eros theme (http://shadowkat67.livejournal.com/442254.html#cutid1)

In which I analyze it from the psychological perspective of Jung and Freud.

When I collected Welsh folktales, myths and legends - I analyzed the stories using Jung and Freud, with aid from Robert Graves The White Goddess and Erich Neumann's The Origin and History of the Unconscious (http://shadowkat67.livejournal.com/442254.html#cutid1).

My view was mythology was the human way of handling mysteries that plagued the subconscious. Issues or problems. Such as the fear of the mother goddess or mother earth. In many of the ancient Celtic myths, collected by monks in the Mabinogi (the monks unfortunately gave them a Christian twist and a male perspective), and in the stories still being told by people over the age of 50 in Wales in the 1980s...the female was both devourer and nurturer. Warrior and Lover. She came up from wells and poisoned their water, or blessed it. Which echoes jokes - about the penis being devoured by a vagina. (the vagina with teeth jokes). Or the nagging ghost wife. The men told the stories - and it depicted their fear of the feminine side of their personality or anima.

Freud looked at it as the unknowable mother and split the psyche into areas - ego, superego, and id, while Jung (who I prefer) saw it as
more complicated than that - and felt that female and male resided in both genders. That the anima - is the inner female in the male, and animus is the inner male in the female. Or the shadow self. And a lot of mythology is the struggle to come to terms with that other side of ourselves.

That's a gross simplification of course. But it's how I preferred to look at it and analyze mythology. A lot of people look at it from a religious perspective - explanations of external mysteries or whether there's a god. But I see it from an internal one. So for me, the slayer felt like Whedon's struggle with his own inner female or anima.

Not sure that makes sense?

Philosophically - I read the series as being mainly existentialist, which worked for me, because I tend to be more or less existentialist in my own views. But I rarely read the mythology from a philosophical perspective or a religious one.
Edited Date: 2012-06-23 02:25 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-23 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-maia.livejournal.com
Have you read Jean Shinoda Bolen's Goddesses in Everywoman (http://www.amazon.com/Goddesses-Everywoman-Powerful-Archetypes-Womens/dp/0060572841/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b) and Gods in Everyman (http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Everyman-Jean-Shinoda-Bolen/dp/0060972807/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b)? I read them both when I was 14 (http://green-maia.livejournal.com/540034.html) (the subtitles were different back then) and they had a huge influence on me.

Bolen is a Jungian analyst. After reading those books I got very into Jungian psychology (also became a Joseph Campbell fan) - Jungian psychology was kind of my overarching worldview for about ten years.

Then in the late 90s I started to turn away from Jungian psychology, as I got more interested in biology and evolutionary psychology.
(Not that I agree with all the claims of evo psych, not by any means! - evo psych has been in its infancy and there's been some absurd over-reading - though that's lessening now that the research in epigenetics is starting to be noticed.) But while I'm skeptical of particular claims, the overall worldview is very much where I'm at right now.

Except now I'm actually getting more into philosophy, so...who knows where I'll go next...

Edited Date: 2012-06-23 01:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-24 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Afraid I haven't. Really haven't studied clinical psychology since 1989.
Did briefly get interested in social psychology and organizational psychology for a bit. Also did behavioral psychology and a little evolutionary psychology in 1987-1988 ( I really hate behavioral and evolutionary psychology...sort of into the whole Clockwork Orange and DNA/Darwin bit).

Currently overwhelmed by engineering, algebraic equations, and how you design and build railroads.

Date: 2012-06-24 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-maia.livejournal.com
Behavioral psychology and evolutionary psychology are two completely different things. And, from what I've read of Charles Darwin the person, he would have been appalled by the former.

I think it's horrific how Darwin's name has come to be associated with things he would have been appalled by. (The phrase "survival of the fittest" - NOT HIS WORDS - he never said that.) Yes, the theory of evolution does rest on the recognition that limited resources mean that not every life has survived and reproduced, and that traits that help an individual survive in a particular environment are more likely to be passed on.
(In a particular environment is key - the same trait that is essential in one environment is fatal in another) (the idea that evolution is teleological and everything is getting "fitter" over time is absurd - the point isn't "fitness" it's diversity - loss of genetic diversity in a species always leads to extinction -
Infinite Diversity in Infinte Combinations is what it's all about.)

Darwin was a sensitive and thoughtful man (and an extreme introvert, prone to depression and anxiety) and he was very much aware of the tragedy as well as the beauty of nature.

I LOVE the words that Darwin used to end The Origin of Species:
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

In a way, the story of my life has been the story of trying to reconcile myself to the tragedy as well as the beauty of nature (http://green-maia.livejournal.com/519622.html).



Currently overwhelmed by engineering, algebraic equations, and how you design and build railroads.

:-)



(I hope I haven't offended you with these comments; please feel free to delete if you like.)


(Also: I think you really might like Bolen's books. I've moved away from Jungian psychology, but I still re-read Bolen's books several times a year. Her descriptions of the 7 Olympian goddesses are archetypes in women's lives has had a HUGE impact on me, and helped me understand myself and other women SO MUCH. In particular, her description of the Hestia archetype has helped me to understand myself.)

Edited Date: 2012-06-24 02:44 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-24 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
(I hope I haven't off ended you with these comments; please feel free to delete if you like.)

Not at all.


Behavioral psychology and evolutionary psychology are two completely different things. And, from what I've read of Charles Darwin the person, he would have been appalled by the former.

Oh I know. Wasn't clear, sorry. Studied the two separately. Dabbled in evolutionary. Got more of behavioral than I wanted - undergrad specialized in behaviorialism.

Have a mentally exhausting occupation - which means I only read fiction or for pleasure in my free time right now. Hence the crappy romance novels I keep posting on. ;-)

Date: 2012-06-23 11:57 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] teragramm.livejournal.com
New Yorkers over-react to weather. Yes, they do! I've been a New Yorker my whole life and it always amazes me that the people who were complaining it was so cold, a few months ago, are now complaining it's too hot. I prefer the hot weather and you will rarely hear me complain about the heat. I hate the cold and snow, in the winter I complain....a lot!


*I don’t know that I like it, but Spike and Buffy will at least go on a date once. As I read this prediction, I said to myself... well no, not really, but I'd bet good money that Mark claims it as a correct prediction.

Date: 2012-06-24 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
It all depends on how you define a date.

Technically - they do in Life Serial and All the Way. In that they go hang out and fight. It's clear they've become friends.

But from the predictions? I don't think he sees OMWF, Tabula Rasa, and Smashed coming...and those three episodes will blow his mind. Particularly if all he thinks they will do is at least go on a date once.

Regarding weather? I'm a fan of mild temperatures. I actually like NYC climate -it's fairly mild. Most of March through June was 60's-80's, with some days in the 40's and 50's. That works for me. I hate 80-100 and despise anything below 40 degrees. In short, I'd be miserable South of the Mason Dixon Line, in most of the Mid-Western States, and a good portion of the northeast. LOL!
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