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shadowkatTo amuse and cheer myself up after a difficult work period..head-inducing is an understatement, I'm doing another crazy Buffy and Angel Character Wars Poll, although this is more Angel than Buffy. I don't really care why you pick whoever you pick. But I'm pairing people that a lot of folks, including myself, love equally and making you choose one. Hopefully you'll play along. There are admittedly some easy choices in there.
Rules? None. Pick the one you like best. Don't over think it. Don't worry about the other fella or gal, just pick the one you like and run with it. You can change your mind tomorrow, I might. This is for kicks. I may or may not speculate on it later.
Hopefully, more than 10 people will play, so I don't look like an idiot. One can never tell with polls...;-)
PS: LJ only permits 15 entries...I could have easily come up with 20.
[Poll #1851403]
Rules? None. Pick the one you like best. Don't over think it. Don't worry about the other fella or gal, just pick the one you like and run with it. You can change your mind tomorrow, I might. This is for kicks. I may or may not speculate on it later.
Hopefully, more than 10 people will play, so I don't look like an idiot. One can never tell with polls...;-)
PS: LJ only permits 15 entries...I could have easily come up with 20.
[Poll #1851403]
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Date: 2012-07-04 01:50 am (UTC)Don't know why I don't have much love for Fred today. C'est la vie!
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Date: 2012-07-04 02:13 am (UTC)Pitting Darla against Faith and Willow is just too much fun.
Also I so much agree..Adam/Walsh was the worst big/bad arc. Unless of course you are a psyche major and into analyzing it. But from a plot, story structure, pure enjoyment level? Ugh.
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Date: 2012-07-04 03:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-07-04 01:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-07-04 02:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-07-04 02:15 am (UTC)And after S2, I was literally only watching the series for Wes's Arc. Second best arc to Spike in my humble opinion. ;-)
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Date: 2012-07-04 02:18 am (UTC)1. I felt then and feel now that he should have died from Justine's attack. It pissed me off that they chickened out from that.
2. I hate AtS4 with a fiery passion. Most of his most interesting eps are there. I found him just sort of hanging around in S5.
JMHO, of course.
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Date: 2012-07-04 01:19 pm (UTC)Oh but they'd never kill off Wes, be like killing off Willow, Xander, Giles, or Buffy permanently.
Whedon was always chickening out on the big characters that he liked, played by actors he liked.
Of course, you know I loved aspects of S4...LOL!
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Date: 2012-07-04 02:10 pm (UTC)Sorry, that was a tad blunt about AtS4. "Hate" is too strong a word. I do dislike it though.
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Date: 2012-07-04 02:26 am (UTC)anyway I'm one of those rare people who found Fred to be boring and a waste of space until she turned into Illyria and then I LOVED her!
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Date: 2012-07-04 08:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-07-04 12:43 pm (UTC)Interesting that the only category where she's winning is where she's pitted against Angel.
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Date: 2012-07-04 01:23 pm (UTC)Darla and Angel are tied. I was somewhat surprised by that to be honest.
I picked Darla over Angel, but I seriously didn't think that many other people would.
I also adore Darla, she had a great storyline and Julie Benze did a fantastic job with a role that was unpredictable and a bit all over the place.
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Date: 2012-07-04 01:41 pm (UTC)Chose Holtz. Robin had his moments, too, but that final scene Holtz shares with Angel in the motel room puts him over the top for me. Awesome.
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Date: 2012-07-04 10:25 pm (UTC)Holtz was admittedly a more developed character than Wood. They knew who Holtz was before he aired, what his arc was going to be, and how he would interact with Angel. Wood on the other hand? They didn't know Wood's arc until First Night aired in S7. Which was about half-way through the season. It came to Jane Espenson in a dream. This of course affected how well the story played out. Because they didn't know ahead of time, they didn't really develop the characters arc or figure out how he would interact with the other characters. They just threw him at people to see what happened.
Wood as a result was a character that was created more or less on the fly. While Holtz was pre-determined, outlined, and developed before S3 began.
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Date: 2012-07-04 11:13 pm (UTC)Ah, but sometimes an artist's greatest inspirations come in our dreams! Not saying that happened with Wood, but I did love what they (admittedly, eventually) did with his character, fitting him nicely into the moral puzzle of Season Seven with LMPTM. I thought there was some really subversive stuff going on there, particularly with the notion of ancestral crimes, identity politics, racial animus, etc.
But yeah, Holtz still wins the Revenge-O-Thon for me, because it was so poetic and beautifully constructed. Whereas Robin exacted his revenge more or less as a crime of opportunity, Holtz' (as you noted, well-planned) plan felt more like the grand revenge of Titus Andronicus. It's so round and perfect that I almost found myself rooting for him, even as Angel sinks to the bottom of the sea. I think the Holtz arc was when I first actually become invested in AtS to a similar degree that I was in BTVS.
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Date: 2012-07-05 02:00 pm (UTC)Now, if only she'd had had that dream a lot earlier. ;-)
I agree on a "meta" level it ultimately worked out. Or they wouldn't have done it, I suspect. But...you can sort of tell that they hadn't plotted it out. Since it gets brought up, dealt with, dropped. When I discovered they hadn't - I went, oh that explains a lot.
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Date: 2012-07-04 01:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-07-04 01:51 pm (UTC)A more interesting category might have been Lorne vs. Fred. Lorne vs. Illyria. Lorne vs. Wes, Lorne vs. Gunn or Lorne vs. Angel...but again ran out of categories. Stupid thing only permits 15. Probably a good thing.
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Date: 2012-07-04 04:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-07-04 04:48 pm (UTC)And word on Lorne! I think Lorne/Xander or Lorne/Giles may have been a good poll question, now that I think about the position they had on the series...Man, I don't know who I'd vote for, but I do love Lorne :p
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Date: 2012-07-04 10:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-07-04 10:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-07-04 09:09 pm (UTC)Lorne: "Hey. Something troubling you, bubby?"
Groo: "Indeed. I am confused."
Lorne: "About what?"
Groo: "Angel. His inaction puzzles me. When Connor was taken from him he moved heaven and Tarkna to try and win him back."
Lorne: "Yeah, he sure did. Hence our weekly scrubbing of the lobby floor."
Groo: "But now that his son is here, he does nothing."
Lorne: "Well, sometime nothing is the best something. If a thing is meant to be somethimes it is best to just let it happen rather than try to force it."
Groo: "But if a thing is meant to be then how can it be forced?"
Lorne: "Well, I guess it can't."
Groo: "And if a thing is not meant to be?"
Lorne: "Well, then it really can't. Just because someone hops a dimension or two is no guarantee that things will work out. - Well, aren't you just sneaky with the subtext?"
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Date: 2012-07-04 10:19 pm (UTC)The character felt like a satirical take on Prince Charming to me or the stalwart and true Dudly Do-Right. Whedon apparently likes to create satirical characters or characters that are ironic parodies of a specific trope...he did it with Adam, Riley (to an extent), Groo, Captain Hammer...and Harmony.
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Date: 2012-07-04 10:15 pm (UTC)no subject
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