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shadowkat1. Finished The Captive Prince - and damn it, I want Volume 3 now. Stupid thing ended just when it got good. My main quibble with it - is that writer is far too interested in building up the romance and sex scenes, and less interested in the intriguing plot, which feels a bit cobbled together in places. But it did motivate me to go back to GRR Martin's Dance of Dragons - Martin is sort of the opposite extreme of SU Paget. Paget barely develops her supporting characters, who feel like snapshots, while George RR Martin over-develops his supporting characters - actually he not only develops them, he gives them a whole chapter to us their point of view. Say what you will about Martin, at the end of his books, no character regardless of how small or minor their role is left untouched - you even know what the character smells like by the time you're done. Undeveloped characters is not a crime that Martin is guilty of.
Also as much as I hate to say this ladies? But male writers appear to be a whole lot better at writing fight scenes and battle strategies. Maybe because they are just more interested in it? All that testorone has to go somewhere I guess - if you can't go out and fight someone, might as well write about it. Plotting a battle is a bit like plotting a football game - similar goals - get the ball in the other guy's territory without getting slaughtered.
While female writers are better at writing sex scenes - mainly because this is more like a game of cards or battle of wits...more focus on the foreplay, then on well on the actual goal. For women the longer it's drawn out, the more fun and better the climatic moment. It's all about the slow-build. The goal, eh...it's all about the means fellas. Two different ways of thinking at any rate. (Yes, I've clearly been jumping between romance fiction and violent guy books. You'd think it would be more jarring. Why I like both, is beyond me.)
2. Speaking of George RR Martin - had an interesting conversation with co-worker.
Co-worker: George RR Martin's books need to come with cliff-notes. You remember cliff-notes, right?
Me: Yep (although I rarely used them, being of the somewhat insane view that it was more fun to read the actual book and make up my own mind than read someone else's analysis of it instead. That said, I'd make an exception with Moby Dick and anything written by Henry James, who I was able to avoid - because I went to a Western Liberal Arts School as opposed to an NorthEastern Ivy League one...weird I know, but there it is. The US is oddly regional in its cultural tastes.)
Co-Worker: would certainly help with figuring out who everyone is. I'm reading Feast of Crows.
Me: Well there is a list of names at the back of each book - an appendix that has a list of all the characters in each house and their family trees and who's who, but you have to be careful about reading it. That's how I got spoilt on who died in the third book, Storm of Swords, which was frankly rather annoying.
Co-worker: I don't think I've read that book.
Me: You are attempting to read Feast of Crows without reading Storm of Swords?
Co-worker: is Feast the 3rd book?
Me: No, Storm is.
Co-worker: Oh I skipped that one. (So, basically co-worker skipped the best book in the series and started on the worst book in the series. Seriously if you wanted to skip one - it would be Feast of Crows. And even then...Granted co-worker has a low tolerance for gore, violence, and violent character deaths...so it may have been a good idea. Storm is the most of violent of the books, to my knowledge. And yes that's a warning to anyone who is about to watch the third season on HBO.)
Me: It's not going to make any sense. You should at least watch the tv series season 3 - it just started.
Co-worker: Oh I think I can figure it out.
Me: Okaay.
This reminds me of another work discussion regarding GRR Martin's books.
Co-worker: Catelyn is not a zombie, she's just mute. (this is co-worker 2 who has read all the books)
Me: No, she's a zombie.
Co-worker: It never says that.
Me: She died. Berdric brought her back to life with the unnatural fire, half her skull is still visible and she is speaking from her throat because her tongue is gone.
Co-worker: I thought she was just mute. I didn't she was a zombie.
Me: Well, zombies are a bit different in these books - undead might be a better word.
Co-worker 2 to Co-worker 3: Did you think Catelyn was a zombie?
CW3: No, didn't pick up on that.
Me: You do realize there are people online who have read these books five times and think she is a zombie, right?
Both: Really? Why would anyone do that?
See this is why I don't discuss pop culture at work.
There are spoilers in the comments for Game of Thrones Book 3, S3, and for Captive Prince, so may want to avoid reading them if you want to stay unspoiled.
Also as much as I hate to say this ladies? But male writers appear to be a whole lot better at writing fight scenes and battle strategies. Maybe because they are just more interested in it? All that testorone has to go somewhere I guess - if you can't go out and fight someone, might as well write about it. Plotting a battle is a bit like plotting a football game - similar goals - get the ball in the other guy's territory without getting slaughtered.
While female writers are better at writing sex scenes - mainly because this is more like a game of cards or battle of wits...more focus on the foreplay, then on well on the actual goal. For women the longer it's drawn out, the more fun and better the climatic moment. It's all about the slow-build. The goal, eh...it's all about the means fellas. Two different ways of thinking at any rate. (Yes, I've clearly been jumping between romance fiction and violent guy books. You'd think it would be more jarring. Why I like both, is beyond me.)
2. Speaking of George RR Martin - had an interesting conversation with co-worker.
Co-worker: George RR Martin's books need to come with cliff-notes. You remember cliff-notes, right?
Me: Yep (although I rarely used them, being of the somewhat insane view that it was more fun to read the actual book and make up my own mind than read someone else's analysis of it instead. That said, I'd make an exception with Moby Dick and anything written by Henry James, who I was able to avoid - because I went to a Western Liberal Arts School as opposed to an NorthEastern Ivy League one...weird I know, but there it is. The US is oddly regional in its cultural tastes.)
Co-Worker: would certainly help with figuring out who everyone is. I'm reading Feast of Crows.
Me: Well there is a list of names at the back of each book - an appendix that has a list of all the characters in each house and their family trees and who's who, but you have to be careful about reading it. That's how I got spoilt on who died in the third book, Storm of Swords, which was frankly rather annoying.
Co-worker: I don't think I've read that book.
Me: You are attempting to read Feast of Crows without reading Storm of Swords?
Co-worker: is Feast the 3rd book?
Me: No, Storm is.
Co-worker: Oh I skipped that one. (So, basically co-worker skipped the best book in the series and started on the worst book in the series. Seriously if you wanted to skip one - it would be Feast of Crows. And even then...Granted co-worker has a low tolerance for gore, violence, and violent character deaths...so it may have been a good idea. Storm is the most of violent of the books, to my knowledge. And yes that's a warning to anyone who is about to watch the third season on HBO.)
Me: It's not going to make any sense. You should at least watch the tv series season 3 - it just started.
Co-worker: Oh I think I can figure it out.
Me: Okaay.
This reminds me of another work discussion regarding GRR Martin's books.
Co-worker: Catelyn is not a zombie, she's just mute. (this is co-worker 2 who has read all the books)
Me: No, she's a zombie.
Co-worker: It never says that.
Me: She died. Berdric brought her back to life with the unnatural fire, half her skull is still visible and she is speaking from her throat because her tongue is gone.
Co-worker: I thought she was just mute. I didn't she was a zombie.
Me: Well, zombies are a bit different in these books - undead might be a better word.
Co-worker 2 to Co-worker 3: Did you think Catelyn was a zombie?
CW3: No, didn't pick up on that.
Me: You do realize there are people online who have read these books five times and think she is a zombie, right?
Both: Really? Why would anyone do that?
See this is why I don't discuss pop culture at work.
There are spoilers in the comments for Game of Thrones Book 3, S3, and for Captive Prince, so may want to avoid reading them if you want to stay unspoiled.
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Date: 2013-04-02 09:46 pm (UTC)True. But I think this is Damen's perspective. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that Laurent knows. It certainly explains a couple of things, and while not necessarily "redeeming" Laurent's actions towards Damen, makes Laurent less of a sadist and just hunting revenge on some level...
IF Laurent knew - he couldn't let Damen or anyone else know - because he'd be expected to kill Damen outright, and if he tried anything else...it would make Laurent look bad in regards to his brother's memory. But, he can do little things ... and remember what he tells the men that capture them, "if you kill him, he won't suffer...he should feel pain". Granted he was doing that to save Damen's life - but I honestly think that was what he had been doing to Damanious all along. (Although he could just have been taking out his grief and fury at Damanious on an Akielion slave, but I doubt it - seems a bit too straightforward.)
Also there are clues - Laurent tells Damen that he was on the battlefield, that he saw Damanious kill his brother. So did Touras. That's why Touras finally recognizes him. If he didn't know initially, he had to have known after the final battle.
And he does try to kill Damen - twice, testing him - things he would definitely want to do to Damianos. 1) Flog him within an inch of his life for merely touching him, and 2) Drug him and make him fight Gavorot, with the hope Gavorot will rape and kill him. Or at the very least Damianos will be forced to do the same. Two perfect punishments for the man who killed his brother, a man of honor.
Although it is possible the writer will go the other route...and have Laurent shrug to the Regent, stating he knew all along, but leave us and Damen uncertain.
I'm also wondering when we get to see Damen finally get hit with the clue stick about what's going on between Laurent and his uncle (I know Damen's too honourable and all that to realize but at a certain point come on!)
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. The writer keeps hinting at it. I kept waiting for it to be revealed, was expecting it to be revealed in the chapter where they discuss Nicaise death. Why Damen hasn't figured it out yet - I've no idea. He may not want to see it? Because Laurent has basically done everything but come out and say it or paint a picture.
I want to tell the writer. Yes, we all figured out that Laurent was sexually molested by the Regent, can we move on now? LOL!
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Date: 2013-04-03 12:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-03 01:33 am (UTC)I kept forgetting Kastor's name. He really does sort of disappear from the second book a bit. You never really meet him, you meet Jokaste.
In a way Laurent's relationship and betrayal by the Regent is similar to Damanios by his brother. Damianos trusted and worshipped his brother, wanting his respect and love in return - so didn't see it coming. Laurent clearly loved his uncle and wanted his uncle's respect and love in return. Both are blind-sided by the realization that Kastor and the Regent crave power more and resent their existence.
Curious to see how Damianos and Laurent deal with Jokaste...who is actually the puppeteer behind Kastor.
Pacat does have a tendency to dwell on certain items too long, or hammer you over the head with it. But her development of Laurent and Damen and the tension between them has been well done and compelling.
Straight-forward heroes and manipulative heroes are not easy to write well.