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Because I'm curious...please advise which of the tv shows below you are watching. Note I did not list all of them nor ones I've yet to see, or ones that just premiered and haven't shown more than one episode yet.

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Date: 2013-10-12 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com
Right, I see what you mean. I think that I am both character-intrigued and theme-intrigued, and ideally somewhere at the intersection...I think Buffy works on both levels for the most part (obviously there are exceptions). BSG -- my main problem, character-wise, was that I lost contact with Adama by the end, and didn't like Starbuck's journey in s4. But I was still very invested in much of the cast; for example, the final scene between Gaeta and Baltar gave me chills. LOST, similarly, I liked some characters a great deal -- Ben, for example, Hurley when he didn't just let Jack boss him around -- but it wasn't until late in the game where I like Jack, and that was a big gap. And I think, too, that with both, I feel disconnected from characters because of how the plot/themes work. I never quite bought the way Lost set up the "man of science/man of faith" thing with Jack and Locke -- and so I gradually felt like I couldn't really get where either was coming from. And generally speaking, I love the Firefly and Dollhouse characters, too -- though I get why others don't.

But yeah, AoS is weak on a character front. I like Clark Gregg's version of Leonato in Whedon's Much Ado -- and that is part of the reason I think that Coulson could work out. I even like Coulson as author insert fanboy. But he is a very questionable series lead. The scene at the end of episode two, where Fury chews Coulson out, is a good example of what is not working about the show -- because it positions Coulson as the renegade cop being chewed out by his superior officer, which is a cliche to begin with, and totally does not fit the way we've seen Coulson behave. And that is the big thing that will probably ultimately turn me off AoS, is that they are trying to present them as outsiders.

That said, I still like Skye -- and think that there is a possibility that there is an interesting story in where her loyalties are, what that says about her. Because, and I may just be projecting, I think I see myself in the way she is presented -- idealistic, sort of, but in a somewhat uninformed, shallow way, and a little easily swayed by alternate belief systems. Well, that's a harsh read of myself, so I don't want to say I believe that totally, but I think I can see Skye falling into her anarchist beliefs almost by accident, and falling out of it just as easily. I *think* that the show is maybe setting up for her to develop real conviction and I want to see that happen -- it's just that I hope it isn't conviction that hyper government control is great.
Edited Date: 2013-10-13 12:02 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-10-13 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Okay that makes sense.

From all the reviews I've read? I think whether you like Agents of Shield has a great deal to do with whether you can relate or find one or both of these two actors engaging, interesting, relateable or likeable:


Skye

Coulson

If you find neither likable or engaging? The show won't work for you.
Which to be fair, is actually true of all tv series. If none of the characters appeal to you personally, you'll give up on the show regardless of how interesting the plot or set-up is or how well or badly written. At the end of the day it comes down to - I find so and so interesting and relateable or I really really don't.

Sigh. Television watching and criticism is definitely a subjective sport. ;-)

Date: 2013-10-13 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com
Yep. I think that's definitely true. So for me -- I'm on the fence about both characters, but I am leaning toward being happy with Skye, and leaning toward being unhappy with Coulson. Hence my being interested in the show, but also really skeptical -- but not entirely bored.

Date: 2013-10-13 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
See that's my problem...Skye doesn't really engage me. I don't know why. She should...maybe it's the actress? Don't know. (shrugs).

I was hoping to get into Ming Na-Wen's character - Belinda May, the world-weary ace pilot who despises field action (ie. if Starbuck had lived and made it to 50). But she's barely in it and doesn't have enough to do to hold my interest.

I really wish they'd kill off Wade and find a new and more interesting actor/character. I think he's supposed to be the male lead.

Date: 2013-10-14 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com
I agree that Ming Na-Wen's character could/should be interesting -- but they are not using her at all. I love the "if Starbuck had lived to fifty" way of looking at her.

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