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shadowkat1. For OUAT fans - selenak is posting OUAT fanfic and it's good. I like her take on Rumplestilskin and I agree with her on Cora/Rumple. Actually Cora/Rumple and Belle remind me oddly of Angel/Darla and Buffy too. Which may explain why I stopped being a Buffy/Angel shipper. Manipulative Man/Innocent Girl rarely works for me. I like it when both are equally manipulative, inequality between the genders in romantic relationships or any for that matter - squicks me. I don't do paternal or maternal romantic relationships - doesn't work for me at all. This may in retrospect explain why I am still single. I suppose you could say Spike/Buffy was a maternal romantic relationship with unequal power balance - but I just couldn't see it that way, power balance seemed equal to me, BUT if you saw it differently, mileage varying and all that, I can see why you hated it.
At any rate here's a link to selenak's fic: Love is Not a Victory March - it's the love's of Rumplestilskin and features Bae and Henry.
2. Book Meme: Day 24 – A book that you wish more people have read
Didn't we do this one already? Seems familiar somehow. Don't ask me to create links for all the other days that I've already down like people on my flist appear to be doing. a) no time, b) no patience, c) will be painful. You can survive without, I'm certain. ;-) Do envy them this ability - it can't be easy. Must be time-consuming.
The only books I can think of, off-hand, aren't exactly literary...
The Fault in Our Stars by John Green - a YA book that will most likely annoy a lot of people but it made me think and comforted me. It's a wonderful book about well what gives life meaning...and it shouldn't work, yet it does.
The Sparrow by Maria Daria Russell - a science-fiction novel which will also annoy people but haunts me and says a lot about how we judge other cultures and impose our values on others, with little respect or regard for why they do what they do. It's a cultural anthropologist's nightmare. Beautifully rendered. A must read.
OTher's that haunt me or I wish more people have read:
* John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath
* F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby - perfect depiction of why you should not recreate yourself to win the love of another or fit into society. Also says things about classicism that I've not seen done quite as well elsewhere.
* John Kennedy O'Toole's Confederacy of Dunces - sort of a modern day Don Quixote...a tragedy
* Alice Walker's The Color Purple
* Sherri Tepper's Grass (which oddly enough reminds me a lot of the Sparrow, it too is a cultural anthropologist's nightmare)
Day 25 – A character who you can relate to the most
Day 26 – A book that changed your opinion about something
Day 27 – The most surprising plot twist or ending
Day 28 – Favorite title
Day 29 – A book everyone hated but you liked
Day 30 – Your favorite book of all time
3.Day 27 - Best pilot episode
Here's the rule on pilots..often, not always, the tv shows with the best pilots - end up getting cancelled early, because they put their all in the pilot and then, sort of, lost it.
Another rule? TV shows that have bad pilots or so-so pilots or less than stellar pilots, often turn out to be great.
That said?
I'd probably say one of these :
* Twin Peaks - blew me away (it also fit the first rule, great pilot...series sort of lost itself)
* Lost - great pilot, decent series but not quite as good as the pilot
* Joan of Arcadia - brilliant pilot, bad series
* Now and Again - fantastic pilot
Also rather liked OUAT's pilot. The pilot episode is like the first chapter of a book - if you don't snag the audience at the get-go, you won't get them at all. But even if you do, you have to keep up the momentum, or they will wander off.
Day 28 - First TV show obsession
Day 29 - Current TV show obsession
Day 30 - Saddest character death.
We're getting closer to the end. And why the person who wrote this came up with saddest character death for day 30, I'll never know. Seriously, you couldn't end on a happier note?
4. BTW...was thinking of words or phrases from tv or appear to have originated from tv series that have entered our lexicon or usage in a big way:
* Whatcha talking about Willis? (Different Strokes)
* Seriously (Grey's Anatomy)
* Bored Now (Buffy)
* I'm paralyzed with not caring very much (Buffy)
* Explain-y (Buffy)
* Bitca (Buffy)
* Bazinga (Big Bang Theory)
* Beam me up, Scotty (Star Trek)
* Here's Johnny (Johnny Carson Show)
* Book-em Danno
Of the list? The main winners are: Seriously, Bitca, and Bored Now.
Can you think of any?
selenak is posting OUAT fanfic and it's good. I like her take on Rumplestilskin and I agree with her on Cora/Rumple. Actually Cora/Rumple and Belle remind me oddly of Angel/Darla and Buffy too. Which may explain why I stopped being a Buffy/Angel shipper. Manipulative Man/Innocent Girl rarely works for me. I like it when both are equally manipulative, inequality between the genders in romantic relationships or any for that matter - squicks me. I don't do paternal or maternal romantic relationships - doesn't work for me at all. This may in retrospect explain why I am still single. I suppose you could say Spike/Buffy was a maternal romantic relationship with unequal power balance - but I just couldn't see it that way, power balance seemed equal to me, BUT if you saw it differently, mileage varying and all that, I can see why you hated it.At any rate here's a link to selenak's fic: Love is Not a Victory March - it's the love's of Rumplestilskin and features Bae and Henry.
2. Book Meme: Day 24 – A book that you wish more people have read
Didn't we do this one already? Seems familiar somehow. Don't ask me to create links for all the other days that I've already down like people on my flist appear to be doing. a) no time, b) no patience, c) will be painful. You can survive without, I'm certain. ;-) Do envy them this ability - it can't be easy. Must be time-consuming.
The only books I can think of, off-hand, aren't exactly literary...
The Fault in Our Stars by John Green - a YA book that will most likely annoy a lot of people but it made me think and comforted me. It's a wonderful book about well what gives life meaning...and it shouldn't work, yet it does.
The Sparrow by Maria Daria Russell - a science-fiction novel which will also annoy people but haunts me and says a lot about how we judge other cultures and impose our values on others, with little respect or regard for why they do what they do. It's a cultural anthropologist's nightmare. Beautifully rendered. A must read.
OTher's that haunt me or I wish more people have read:
* John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath
* F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby - perfect depiction of why you should not recreate yourself to win the love of another or fit into society. Also says things about classicism that I've not seen done quite as well elsewhere.
* John Kennedy O'Toole's Confederacy of Dunces - sort of a modern day Don Quixote...a tragedy
* Alice Walker's The Color Purple
* Sherri Tepper's Grass (which oddly enough reminds me a lot of the Sparrow, it too is a cultural anthropologist's nightmare)
Day 25 – A character who you can relate to the most
Day 26 – A book that changed your opinion about something
Day 27 – The most surprising plot twist or ending
Day 28 – Favorite title
Day 29 – A book everyone hated but you liked
Day 30 – Your favorite book of all time
3.Day 27 - Best pilot episode
Here's the rule on pilots..often, not always, the tv shows with the best pilots - end up getting cancelled early, because they put their all in the pilot and then, sort of, lost it.
Another rule? TV shows that have bad pilots or so-so pilots or less than stellar pilots, often turn out to be great.
That said?
I'd probably say one of these :
* Twin Peaks - blew me away (it also fit the first rule, great pilot...series sort of lost itself)
* Lost - great pilot, decent series but not quite as good as the pilot
* Joan of Arcadia - brilliant pilot, bad series
* Now and Again - fantastic pilot
Also rather liked OUAT's pilot. The pilot episode is like the first chapter of a book - if you don't snag the audience at the get-go, you won't get them at all. But even if you do, you have to keep up the momentum, or they will wander off.
Day 28 - First TV show obsession
Day 29 - Current TV show obsession
Day 30 - Saddest character death.
We're getting closer to the end. And why the person who wrote this came up with saddest character death for day 30, I'll never know. Seriously, you couldn't end on a happier note?
4. BTW...was thinking of words or phrases from tv or appear to have originated from tv series that have entered our lexicon or usage in a big way:
* Whatcha talking about Willis? (Different Strokes)
* Seriously (Grey's Anatomy)
* Bored Now (Buffy)
* I'm paralyzed with not caring very much (Buffy)
* Explain-y (Buffy)
* Bitca (Buffy)
* Bazinga (Big Bang Theory)
* Beam me up, Scotty (Star Trek)
* Here's Johnny (Johnny Carson Show)
* Book-em Danno
Of the list? The main winners are: Seriously, Bitca, and Bored Now.
Can you think of any?
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Date: 2013-03-16 02:06 am (UTC)But Buffy always had the upper hand w/Spike, there was never a time he had any control... he tried to make deals/bargains with her, but she was the one w/the power in that relationship. And later he was the one hopelessly in love. There was never a moment when he could hope to control or manipulate her (at least from the way I saw their relationship).
But I certainly didn't see Cora as an innocent girl being seduced on last week's OUAT... of course that might have been the bad acting ability of Rose McGowan (and her decolletage), she seemed like the seductress. Of course I also didn't see any love coming from her, even though she claimed to be in love with him. They really should have cast someone else as young Cora (IMO).
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Date: 2013-03-16 02:20 am (UTC)My take on Spike was very different than the majority of Spike and Spuffy shippers, which always made me feel a bit uncomfortable with the Spike shippers/Spuffy shipper fandom - it's why I didn't like boards like Marster Mobsters, BAPS, More than Spike, etc...and preferred ATPO and BC&S. The non-Spike shippers oddly enough had a view of the character that came closer to my own. They didn't paint it as "cut and dry" or simple.
This was a character who was a master at role-playing, who knew how to play the game. What made his relationship fun with Buffy - is he underestimated her. Their fights were equal, neither really won.
They met each other's match.
That's how I saw them at any rate. The way you did - was how most shippers appeared to. But it wasn't how I did.
Regarding Cora - not sure I'm reading you right above? I think we are all in agreement here? Cora = Darla, Belle=Buffy, Rumple =Angel.
Cora was in some respects even more manipulative than Rumple - she manipulates him into giving her the deal she wants. I don't think she was supposed to be emanating love. Actually I think the actress did a decent job...but our mileage does vary in regards to actresses at times...since you love Eliza Dusku (which I don't understand). ;-)
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Date: 2013-03-16 02:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-03-16 02:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-03-16 02:08 am (UTC)Phrases from TV? They kind of come and go with the reruns.
You got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy! (I Love Lucy)
Who loves yah, Baby? (Kojak)
If you can't to the time, don't do the crime (From the theme to Barretta)
Say goodnight, Gracie (from their old vaudeville act brought forward into TV: The Burns and Allen Show)
Goodnight, John Boy (usually ironically instead of lovingly as on The Waltons)
(Heck, when we were kids we imitated, "Goodnight, Mrs Calabash, wherever you are!" From the Jimmy Durante Show, which you're far too young to have seen first run!)
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Date: 2013-03-16 02:42 pm (UTC)Whedon was good at coming up with slang words that become catch-phrases - I'll give him that.
Agree with you on Firefly. The actual pilot - which I think was called Serenity, was actually better than the re-tooled pilot the network made them create entitled The Train Job (which was actually amongst the worst episodes of that series and demonstrated what did not work - Whedon relied too heavily on old Western cliches, and not enough on sci-fi. He should have gone more Star Wars, and less 1960s Star Trek with his Western references. Although I know there are folks on my flist who loved that about Firefly. Did not work for me though. Took me out of the story.)
On Buffy? I honestly cannot remember what my initial reaction was, except that it was more fun than expected. Unfortunately...it went downhill over the next five episodes, and all of a sudden got good again. Whedon tv series have this odd tendency to start out good, slag off in the middle, then get good again. Very uneven writer.
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Date: 2013-03-16 04:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-03-16 02:44 pm (UTC)Will state it's amongst the few YA books that I've loved lately - although in some respects it feels more adult.
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Date: 2013-03-16 05:45 am (UTC)I honestly wasn't a huge fan of any of Buffy's canon relationships, but I did like Buffy/Spike more than Buffy/Angel. I wasn't entirely sure what made me somewhat uncomfortable about Buffy/Angel, but now that you've articulated the power balance I'm pretty sure that's what bothered me. I still didn't really care for Buffy/Spike until the last few episodes of season 7, because I really wasn't a fan of their mutual abuse in season 6, but I definitely think that Spike and Buffy were on far more equal footing than Angel and Buffy ever were. To be fair, I thought most of the romantic relationships in this show were problematic, so Buffy/Spike definitely ranks above a lot of other canon couples in my book.
I adoredThe Fault in Our Stars when I read it. I'll make sure to check out The Sparrow, as I enjoy both science-fiction and cultural anthro. Thanks for posting the recommendation!
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