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[Anyone else getting tired of the hashtag ad at the end ..."@Pan*Never*Fails"? Just me, then. Actually the constant reference to twitter is beginning to annoy me. I find twitter really hard to follow or read. It has all these symbols and address smack in the middle.]
1. Anyhow...Pan's great plan appears to do the curse in Storybrook, so he can turn Storybrook into another Neverland and control it. In short, if he can't have Neverland, fine, he'll take over Henry's body and turn Henry's hometown into Neverland. Not a problem. Pan is a really a piece of work - although he does explain Rumplestilskin. Keep in mind Rumple created the curse in order to get to the land without magic to find his son. Now dear old dad plans on using it to regain his childhood ideal for eternity. Poor Rumple, he has everything he wants right now and his father is about to rip it away from him AGAIN.
2. Emma figured out that Henry wasn't Henry fairly quickly. Mainly because Pan was too busy working Regina to worry about Emma, he also pretty much figured out if he could manipulate Regina into getting him into the fault to get a hold of the curse, the rest would work itself out. He's right about that.
3. I wonder if the reason the Shadow killed the Blue Fairy is she posed some sort of threat to his plan or provided the possibility of aiding Tinkerbell?
4. Hook attempts to flirt with Tink, but Tink is having none of it. She knows he's just killing time until he can get to Emma.
5. Hook is right about one thing - there's no guarantee Emma will let Neal back into her heart. He did hurt her after all (*cough*Tamara*cough*) and is going to have to work on it. (I felt Neal was wandering around a lot with no clear idea of what to do with himself. Hook seemed to have more to do or more purpose. The writing there was a bit off. ) As he put it - I'm in it for the long-haul. You took off on her once before, after all. I can afford to be patient.
6. Speaking of Hook, I love Charming's response to Emma's query.
Emma: Are you sure this isn't just your way to keep me away from Hook?
Charming: How can you think I'm interested in Hook. I'm a married man, after all.
(LOL! The writers appear to be aware of the Captain Charming slash fans and decided to give them a bit of a shout-out. )
7. Rumple is a bit too well-adjusted. He has Belle, he has Baelfire, and he no longer needs his cane. Plus he's willing to do magic without asking for a favor in return. Something has to give.
8. The flashbacks were, I'm sorry, distracting. I'm not overly fond of the Charming flashbacks. (I liked the adventure, just found it to be rather stupid and jarring at times.) I do get why they did it - they emphasized the fact that you need to enjoy the moments and not constantly be living in dread of the next horrible thing. This is actually a nice parallel to Regina's flashback last week - where she takes a potion to let go of her dread and focus on Henry, here Snow and Charming choose to finally, ignore Regina, and focus on a family. Meanwhile in Storybrook they are attempting to convince Emma to more or less do the same thing - but Emma knows she doesn't get days off, she has to be always on.
9. Ah...Ariel got back together with Eric (enjoy it while it lasts...because Pan is about to tear you apart to get his way again. The dude is beyond evil and makes Cora seems rather nice in comparison.)
10. So...what happens to everyone when Pan does the curse, which we know he will? Is it a reset button? God, I hope not. We do not want to relive S1 except with no end in sight.
No, it should do something different. Send everyone back where they came from? But where does Emma go? OR Baelfire? And wouldn't Pan and the Lost Boys be sent somewhere else?
Or do they just lose their memories and get new ones?
I don't know about this latest plot thread...but it's obviously going to be the main story for the Spring. (which means the curse is going to happen, dang it, although they might kill Pan before it does). It could be good, but if it is just repeat of Season 1 except with a twist, I'm going to be annoyed. Just as I'm going to be annoyed if we go back to EVIL!Regina and devolve all the characters. (I can't see them doing that...because that would boring to write.) Also, I'm wondering if they plan on using it as a means of putting Emma and Hook together? OR putting Emma and Neal together? (Not sure where that love triangle is headed. Probably a good thing I like both options at the moment? Although they do need to write Neal and Hook better and please give them something to do other than vie for Emma's affections.
Because I currently like Emma, but if she's stuck in a love triangle for to long - she'll come across as wishy-washy and annoying like her father did in the second season.)
masqthephlsphr who figured out that Pan had a much bigger agenda.[Anyone else getting tired of the hashtag ad at the end ..."@Pan*Never*Fails"? Just me, then. Actually the constant reference to twitter is beginning to annoy me. I find twitter really hard to follow or read. It has all these symbols and address smack in the middle.]
1. Anyhow...Pan's great plan appears to do the curse in Storybrook, so he can turn Storybrook into another Neverland and control it. In short, if he can't have Neverland, fine, he'll take over Henry's body and turn Henry's hometown into Neverland. Not a problem. Pan is a really a piece of work - although he does explain Rumplestilskin. Keep in mind Rumple created the curse in order to get to the land without magic to find his son. Now dear old dad plans on using it to regain his childhood ideal for eternity. Poor Rumple, he has everything he wants right now and his father is about to rip it away from him AGAIN.
2. Emma figured out that Henry wasn't Henry fairly quickly. Mainly because Pan was too busy working Regina to worry about Emma, he also pretty much figured out if he could manipulate Regina into getting him into the fault to get a hold of the curse, the rest would work itself out. He's right about that.
3. I wonder if the reason the Shadow killed the Blue Fairy is she posed some sort of threat to his plan or provided the possibility of aiding Tinkerbell?
4. Hook attempts to flirt with Tink, but Tink is having none of it. She knows he's just killing time until he can get to Emma.
5. Hook is right about one thing - there's no guarantee Emma will let Neal back into her heart. He did hurt her after all (*cough*Tamara*cough*) and is going to have to work on it. (I felt Neal was wandering around a lot with no clear idea of what to do with himself. Hook seemed to have more to do or more purpose. The writing there was a bit off. ) As he put it - I'm in it for the long-haul. You took off on her once before, after all. I can afford to be patient.
6. Speaking of Hook, I love Charming's response to Emma's query.
Emma: Are you sure this isn't just your way to keep me away from Hook?
Charming: How can you think I'm interested in Hook. I'm a married man, after all.
(LOL! The writers appear to be aware of the Captain Charming slash fans and decided to give them a bit of a shout-out. )
7. Rumple is a bit too well-adjusted. He has Belle, he has Baelfire, and he no longer needs his cane. Plus he's willing to do magic without asking for a favor in return. Something has to give.
8. The flashbacks were, I'm sorry, distracting. I'm not overly fond of the Charming flashbacks. (I liked the adventure, just found it to be rather stupid and jarring at times.) I do get why they did it - they emphasized the fact that you need to enjoy the moments and not constantly be living in dread of the next horrible thing. This is actually a nice parallel to Regina's flashback last week - where she takes a potion to let go of her dread and focus on Henry, here Snow and Charming choose to finally, ignore Regina, and focus on a family. Meanwhile in Storybrook they are attempting to convince Emma to more or less do the same thing - but Emma knows she doesn't get days off, she has to be always on.
9. Ah...Ariel got back together with Eric (enjoy it while it lasts...because Pan is about to tear you apart to get his way again. The dude is beyond evil and makes Cora seems rather nice in comparison.)
10. So...what happens to everyone when Pan does the curse, which we know he will? Is it a reset button? God, I hope not. We do not want to relive S1 except with no end in sight.
No, it should do something different. Send everyone back where they came from? But where does Emma go? OR Baelfire? And wouldn't Pan and the Lost Boys be sent somewhere else?
Or do they just lose their memories and get new ones?
I don't know about this latest plot thread...but it's obviously going to be the main story for the Spring. (which means the curse is going to happen, dang it, although they might kill Pan before it does). It could be good, but if it is just repeat of Season 1 except with a twist, I'm going to be annoyed. Just as I'm going to be annoyed if we go back to EVIL!Regina and devolve all the characters. (I can't see them doing that...because that would boring to write.) Also, I'm wondering if they plan on using it as a means of putting Emma and Hook together? OR putting Emma and Neal together? (Not sure where that love triangle is headed. Probably a good thing I like both options at the moment? Although they do need to write Neal and Hook better and please give them something to do other than vie for Emma's affections.
Because I currently like Emma, but if she's stuck in a love triangle for to long - she'll come across as wishy-washy and annoying like her father did in the second season.)
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Date: 2013-12-09 03:58 pm (UTC)[Anyone else getting tired of the hashtag ad at the end ..."@Pan*Never*Fails"? Just me, then. Actually the constant reference to twitter is beginning to annoy me. I find twitter really hard to follow or read. It has all these symbols and address smack in the middle.]
Most OTT example of this I remember was on Nashville where they began promoting #WillandLayla, as though that were an actual ship that people shipped. Problem being...well, not only are Will and Layla fictional, this "ship" is fictional in the show as it was all music industry construct. And then there's...
Oh yeah, Will is gay and Layla is a bitch and a show newbie... so why would anyone watching give a shit about the "pairing" again?
Henry's hometown into Neverland. Not a problem. Pan is a really a piece of work
Oh yeah, Pan is a narcissistic asshole... which I suppose makes "Peter Pan Syndrome" make a lot of sense. ;)
3. I wonder if the reason the Shadow killed the Blue Fairy is she posed some sort of threat to his plan or provided the possibility of aiding Tinkerbell?
So is Tink taking the place of the Blue Fairy on the show? (Doesn't bother me if so. Tink is more interesting anyway.)
Emma: Are you sure this isn't just your way to keep me away from Hook?
Charming: How can you think I'm interested in Hook. I'm a married man, after all.
Hee!
I do get why they did it - they emphasized the fact that you need to enjoy the moments and not constantly be living in dread
And most probably to ramp up the subplot of another Snow/Charming child, which is no doubt becoming essential on the show's part what with the couple (also a couple in real life) announcing that she's pregnant. So probably more flashbacks to the Emma pregnancy and a Snow/Charming pregnancy in the near future. (Which might be interesting if they go into reset mode. Because would a pregnancy stand still for the curse? I can't remember, did Cinderella's? Not that the show has to adhere to what happened last time)
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Date: 2013-12-09 04:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-12-09 09:13 pm (UTC)Or was it meant to be random?
Probably over-thinking it. Never a good thing with tv shows.
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Date: 2013-12-09 09:31 pm (UTC)The only other explanation is a Meta one, that the actress was leaving the show never to return, so the writers decided to kill off her character for dramatic value. But the writers don't really do very many drama-no-plot-reason deaths (Graham is the only one I can think of), and they very rarely do anything that doesn't have a *specific* plot reason. The show is too tightly plotted for that.
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Date: 2013-12-09 11:14 pm (UTC)Actually that flashback in the episode where Henry gives his heart to Pan, is packed with information.
* the importance of pixie dust to Pan (required for flying)
* Pan apparently will do anything to get magic
* Rumple was too afraid to climb the try, so Pan did instead (what would have happened if Rumple had climbed it?)
* Pan makes a deal with the Shadow, otherwise he probably would have fallen to his death.
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Date: 2013-12-09 09:09 pm (UTC)Oh yeah, Will is gay and Layla is a bitch and a show newbie... so why would anyone watching give a shit about the "pairing" again?
I'd forgotten that. But yes, weird. A hash-tag that would make more sense is either Juliet/Avery or Zoe/Gunner. But Will/Layla???? LOL!
Silly marketing people aren't watching the show. (They actually pay people to do nothing but play on twitter or facebook all day long believe it or not.)
Oh yeah, Pan is a narcissistic asshole... which I suppose makes "Peter Pan Syndrome" make a lot of sense. ;)
Hee. True.
But.
Was hoping for a few layers though or at the very least a back story/flashback explanation, which we did eventually get with Cora. Actually considering we got it 75% through the season and right before Cora was killed, it could still happen with Pan. Probably be right before they kill him off.
Right now, Cora seems more complex than Pan does. Although I'll give Pan points for being more diabolical and clever. He's the dark trickster taken to the extreme, sort of makes Rumplestilskin seem rather nice in comparison.
So is Tink taking the place of the Blue Fairy on the show? (Doesn't bother me if so. Tink is more interesting anyway.)
Wondered much the same thing. Although killing the Blue Fairy seemed rather deliberate and Pan doesn't do anything randomly. The man is an obsessive planner and plotter. I still think it has something to do with magic.
Which means, he may not know Tink was able to reanimate the pixie dust. Or can get her powers back without the blue fairy's help. So Tink may well be taking her place.
I admittedly didn't care what happened to the Blue Fairy, the character grated on my nerves. Was more or less happy they killed her off.
Which might be interesting if they go into reset mode. Because would a pregnancy stand still for the curse? I can't remember, did Cinderella's? Not that the show has to adhere to what happened last time)
Yup it stood still for Cinderella. She was pregnant for 28 years. LOL! (I remember because I thought it was hilarious at the time and only a male writer would come up with such an evil ploy.) She doesn't go into labor until Emma interacts with her. Emma basically jump-started everyone she came into contact with.
God, I hope they don't do it again. I'm leery of this curse being re-enacted, because I did not find cursed Storybrook interesting. The second season was a lot better than the first season.