Beyond the Wall - GOT S7 Ep. 6

[shadowkat]

OMG!

That was...incredible.



!. So, I admittedly thought of it the moment the dragons showed up, but still...the first zombie dragon??? They are so not going to win this.

2. Danerys/Snow has become my new ship.

Although I spent most of the episode worrying about Redhaired Wildling, Dog, and Jorah. I kept saying, "no, no, don't kill the Wildling guy! No!"

Wildling: The love of my life is waiting for me, taller than you, blond hair, blue eyes...
Dog: Oh dear god, you mean, Brienne of Tarth?
Wildling: Yes! I am going to marry her, and we are going to have monsterous babies together!

Jon: I'm so sorry. If I could take it back I would. We should never have gone.
Dany: No. Don't be. I don't regret it. I had to see it. You have to see it to know. This is our fight. We will destroy them. We will do it together, you have my word.
Jon: Thank you, Dany.
Dany: No one calls me that, the last one was my brother...and I can't say he's a good one to emoulate...
Jon: Then not Dany, my Queen.
Dany: Oh..
Jon: I'd bend the knee, but..
Dany: I don't deserve it.
Jon: You do.


3. How creepy is Ayra? Still like her better than Sansa, who I'm really hoping finds herself facing a few wight walker's soon.

Sansa: What are these?
Ayra: Faces.
Sansa: What?
Ayra: so I can become whoever I want. I can even become you, wear those pretty dresses, all I'd have to do is take your face.
ME: Actually taking LF's would make more sense and be more productive.

Not sure what LF's plan was in pitting the sisters against each other?

Sansa : "You have no idea what I went through. You wouldn't have been able to survive it."

Ayra: "Oh I could probably imagine some of it."

...

Oh I loved that episode to pieces. And I hate zombies.

Comments

[amyvanhym]

>That was...incredible.

Ja.

I agree they did a good job putting Tormond (redhead guy) at risk. It was believable. He has less plot armor, and it made sense that he would fall because of his weapon. Battleaxes aren't so good for grinding at really close range. No room to swing it. Also his banter with the Hound = 10/10. "Dick. I like it." "Bet you do." lel.

You ship Jonerys, I ship Jonerys, the actors ship Jonerys, fucking Jorah ships Jonerys. Everybody ships Jonerys. All aboard the love boat. Toot toot.

[ex_peasant441]

Actually taking LF's would make more sense and be more productive.

Not sure what LF's plan was in pitting the sisters against each other?

Have they shown Arya and LF in the same shot recently? Maybe Arya already has taken his face...

[shadowkat]

No, it's pretty clear she hasn't killed him yet. And Sansa found Ayra's bag of faces. They've shown him watching Ayra.

[shadowkat]

I admittedly didn't ship Jonerys until now. They had to convince me. ;-) But I was definitely shipping Jon/Dragon.

Oh, that's the Redheaded guy's name, Tormund. Thanks. It was very realistic. I was convinced they'd kill him or Jorah. When the one guy went off the cliff...I was thinking, okay who was that? Apparently an extra I didn't notice.

[mefisto]

I still can't figure out who's playing who. Is LF playing the sisters? Are they playing him? Is Arya playing him and Sansa?

Mind you, I won't much care as long as LF ends up dead. :)

[shadowkat]

Feel much the same way. It's unclear.

Ayra is as hard to read as Bran.

And, I'm tired of LF...peeking around corners and plotting. Bring on the zombies already. Seriously once the white walkers invade Winterfell, it's all over but the screaming. And I'm guessing they will use the dragon to bring down the wall or get over the wall. Sansa, LF, Cersei and the rest don't see the white walkers as a threat because of the wall.

[shadowkat]

Oh a co-worker called Bran....someone who took weed and got a degree in philosophy. There's speculation that Bran may end being the Knight King. (Not spoilers, I've no clue if it is true, just speculation.)

[mefisto]

Yes, it could be that Bran is in on a plot also.

LF was critical to the "game of thrones" and needed to be in the story as long as that went on. We're past that now -- it's ice and fire. He serves no purpose in that story and can go. Same with Cersei in most ways.

[anoyo]

It was soooo goooood.

I 100% anti-ship Dany/Jon, but otherwise: 100% agreed.

I was like, "NO DON'T KILL HIM WE LIKE HIM!" when what's-his-bucket got grabbed (redheaded wildling). And then he survived. GRRM, you softie. I made a post about this on my journal, but we appear to have entered the zone of characters that GRRM actually wants to keep around. First Jaime (Jamie?) lived, now what's-his-bucket? Uh-oh.

Even not shipping them, that conversation between Jon and Dany was amazing. I rewound and watched it again. I HAD TO.

SO GOOD.

[dlgood]

Not recently. It's theoretically possible Arya has already killed Littlefinger, but you'd think they'd want to show that.

I really am not sure what the game is with the characterization. Perhaps neither Arya nor Sansa knows that Robb read Sansa's letter with the Maester. In fact, reading Sansa's letter preceded Robb's rebellion. (It's her hand, but Cersei's words...)

Which is to say, that letter probably wouldn't actually hurt her with the Northern lords anyway.

[dlgood]

Cersei may very well side with the Zombies killing northerners just fine.

[mefisto]

True. Cersei has always been a fool, unable to see beyond the short term. She thinks she's still playing the GoT. The Others aren't.

[shadowkat]

Well, apparently not everyone ships Jon/Dany...there's at least one person who anti-ships them. Which proves the old axiom, no matter what generalization we make...there's always at least one exception. ;-)

[shadowkat]

Agreed on both points. I still think that Arya will end up killing Cersei, or maybe Jamie will end up doing it after he gets turned into a White Walker.

[mefisto]

Those are certainly the top 2 possibilities. I can think of others, but I'd bet you're right. And Jaime may not need to turn into a WW before he does it.

[shadowkat]

It's theoretically possible Arya has already killed Littlefinger, but you'd think they'd want to show that.

I was thinking much the same thing. We haven't seen them together. But...it just doesn't make sense that she did it, nor does it quite fit the way he's acting.

I really am not sure what the game is with the characterization. Perhaps neither Arya nor Sansa knows that Robb read Sansa's letter with the Maester. In fact, reading Sansa's letter preceded Robb's rebellion.

I'd forgotten that. But that makes it odder still. LF was at Kings Landing at the time, and sort of counseling Cersei, hence the reason he knew about the letter. And it was part of the reason Caitlyn and Rob declared war...because they thought Cersei was holding Sansa and Ayra captive. All the Northern Lords thought that. Caitlyn made a big deal of it, it's why she let Jamie go, in exchange for her daughters.

[shadowkat]

Hee, above, amyvanham posts everyone ships Jon/Dany, and you've proven her wrong. ;-) (is it the fact that they are most likely related that's turning you off?)

They had to convince me. I didn't do it until the very end of the episode. Then I thought...okay, writers, I get it. It works.

GRRM, you softie. I made a post about this on my journal, but we appear to have entered the zone of characters that GRRM actually wants to keep around.

Eh...GRRM isn't involved at all at this point. He stopped being involved in the plotting in S5 -S6, when they went completely off book. He even said as much in his blog, when he said that the tv show won't spoil you for the books, since the television writers killed off characters that survived in the books, and kept characters that GRRM killed off.

Jaime is actually still alive in the books. Myrcella is still alive, Stannis is still alive, Stannis' daughter is still alive, Caitlynn is a zombie like the Mountain, the leader of Dorn is still alive...as is the leader of the Wildlings.

While there are others that are dead, among them Jon Snow and Brienne.

So you can't blame GRRM, this is all the television writers.

I think GRRM wrote himself into a corner. Well that...and it took 1500 pages for a character to get from point A to point B, and they'd still not meet up with the person they wanted to meet up with. If GRRM were writing this...we'd be following Jon on his long journey to see Dany the first go around, and all his problems along the way, and start to give up hope of him ever meeting her.

[dlgood]

It'll be the part when Cersei offers to marry the Night King as part of an alliance.

[shadowkat]

Oh forgot to ask? What did you think of Uncle Benjy showing up out of the blue, saving Jon, and them being overwhelmed by the White Walkers??

[dlgood]

It's bad because this seems like the sort of thing the show used to know - either there's some point they are getting at here or I am just confused by the characterization.

[shadowkat]

LOL! (Except I think the Night King may be Bran...so it won't work. (wild speculation only). He'd never agree to it. Although he'd be willing to turn her into a White Walker.)

Maybe Cersei will become a White Walker...there goes her new baby with Jaime. And hence the reason he kills her.

[shadowkat]

I agree. Next episode is going to bring that home to the Lannisters...that the only War is between the living and the dead or ice and fire. (ie. Survival.) The dead don't care who sits on the Iron Throne or about the Game of Thrones.

Both feel like dead weight at the moment. That's why I'm sort of hoping they either kill them off or up their game somehow. I know Cersei is in it til the end. Not so sure about LF.

[anoyo]

Related being the issue: yeah. I live in a glass house FFS. (I mean, I ship the brothers in Killjoys, but aunt/nephew? NOPE NOPE NOPE.) But yeah, I don't ship it. I honestly ship Jorah with Dany and Jon with...Jon. Like, in my head, his sexuality is pretty much nonexistent. He loved what's-her-bucket, she died, he became a monk. Ta-dah! *hands*

LOL! Obviously I know nothing about the books. Except that they exist. So apparently the writers give more shits about the characters. That makes sense. If people surviving is them not wanting to kill off fan-favorites, though, that sort of defeats what the show was doing at the beginning that was so interesting and different. Hmm.

Well, I suppose I'm just watching for the show, and none of the canon, then. I'm cool with that. I'm pretty sure that's the only reason I enjoy Shadowhunters or enjoyed the Eragon movie. SHINY AND INTERESTING, 0% canon. (Well. Maybe 15% canon. The characters do exist, after all.)

[anoyo]

LAME. He knew things! And was an interesting character!

And is probably still alive! That's sort of my theory. That he's been running around learning things, and then stalking the army, which would be a plausible reason for him seeing Jon in trouble, anyway. But wasn't he already undead? He can be a walking skeleton now. I'm cool with it.

(But, yeah, you knew he'd be saved somehow.)

[shadowkat]

Agreed. Feel much the same way. I'm having difficulties understanding the motivation behind the whole letter thing.