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Apr. 8th, 2018 04:14 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
shadowkat1. So I was hunting something, and found myself in the middle of an old SMG interview on Reddit, when she was doing the Crazy Ones. Two things? Reddit is impossible to follow and how can people stand it? It gave me a headache. Second...The fan asked her, for the millioneth time, which character she felt Buffy should be with and who she preferred? And she said Angel. Everyone got upset. Until one poster said -- "I don't think you guys realize how invested she's always been in Buffy/Angel. I mean she was really upset at the end of I Will Always Remember You. David even whispers at one point, "It's okay, Sarah." She needed them to be together. It devastated her that they weren't."
I laughed my head off.
Folks? Don't ask television and film actors about what their character's motivations were or where the story should go or who they should end up with or which character their character should love. They aren't writing the story. They don't know. They are hired to play whatever the writer gives them. The character is in the writer's head not theirs. They aren't the character. And just like us, they have their preferences.
[I mean television writers and film directors are rather evil when it comes to how they deal with actors -- they love nothing more than to throw two actors who despise each other together into a relationship. As Whedon once stated in a commentary to a rather shocked Seth Green, that it actually worked better when the actors didn't get along, the film really picked up on the chemistry between them and made it great to watch. He said this in response to Seth's question as to whether Marsters and Gellar got along well together during a Wild at Heart Commentary. (These a reason these people are paid upwards to $100,000 an episode if not more. Although the actors on Buffy weren't making that much, it was low budget unlike Bones.)
It's not in the writer's best interest to put two actors who love each other in an on-screen relationship. What if they broke up? And refused to act together. Much better if they were ambivalent or dislike each other at the outset, but have great on-screen chemistry. Most on-screen television couplings in tv shows featured actors who didn't like each other. Examples?
Lauren Graham and Scott Patterson (Gilmore Girls)
Nina Dobrev and Ian Sommerhandler (Vampire Diaries)
Ellen Pompelo (Meredith) and Patrick Dempsey (Derek) (Grey's Anatomy)
(Castle) and (Kate) ( Castle)
Never ask an actor who their character should be in love with -- you're assuming they like their co-star or that their opinion matters. It doesn't. To anyone, well except for their fans, maybe. I find it hilarious people got upset with SMG for her opinions on this. She had no power. Or felt validated. Again. No power. SMG and Whedon did not agree on Buffy's emotional trajectory after Season 5.
Also, they don't see the whole show, they just see their script. Few even have watched it. They can tell you how they approached the role (well for the most part, sometimes it's intuitive and they've no clue how to explain it), or what it was like to perform the scene. OR how they wish it went or what their desires were for it. Or what happened backstage between takes. Or how they prepared. Or what they used to make it work. Stuff like that. But Sarah Michelle Gellar can't tell you what Buffy the character is thinking, feeling or wants. Sarah isn't Buffy. Joss Whedon, Jane Espenson, Marti Noxon, Stephen DeNight, etc can and they'll probably fight over it.
The best art is when these questions aren't easily answered and open to interpretation. Makes it more real.
2. It's still cold, but spring is whispering its way in, through the cracks here and there. Either that or certain living things are a tad confused and ahead of the program. The trees, for example are used to budding in late March and early April. So they are budding. Or trying to at any rate. They keep getting snowed on. And the birds are making nests and flying north. Only to change course in mid-flight and go back, because it's frigging freezing, WTF? The daffodiles, azealas, and pretty purple flowers that I can't remember the names of, are in full bloom. The Super keeps wrapping them in plastic bags and blankets at night.
But hey, progress. The grass is being particular and waiting a tad longer. Wise grass.
Sunny, with a smattering of clouds across a delicate robin's egg blue. Not quite as blue as it was this morning without the clouds. But hey better than yesterday, when there was nothing but clouds.
And, I'm back on the restricted Paeolo Diet - basically off all grains, sugars (even fruit), diary, caffeine, alcohol (see sugar), soy (which I've always been off of...). Back to nuts, greens, veggies, meats, fish, eggs, water, and tea.
Why? Pain. IBS. Arthritis. Back. Knee. And frequent breakouts. Also I can't fit into 90% of my clothes. So there's that.
Let's face it I can't do sugar. Need to go off it for a while until I can get things back into balance. Then introduce fruit back in. Along with a few other things.
I laughed my head off.
Folks? Don't ask television and film actors about what their character's motivations were or where the story should go or who they should end up with or which character their character should love. They aren't writing the story. They don't know. They are hired to play whatever the writer gives them. The character is in the writer's head not theirs. They aren't the character. And just like us, they have their preferences.
[I mean television writers and film directors are rather evil when it comes to how they deal with actors -- they love nothing more than to throw two actors who despise each other together into a relationship. As Whedon once stated in a commentary to a rather shocked Seth Green, that it actually worked better when the actors didn't get along, the film really picked up on the chemistry between them and made it great to watch. He said this in response to Seth's question as to whether Marsters and Gellar got along well together during a Wild at Heart Commentary. (These a reason these people are paid upwards to $100,000 an episode if not more. Although the actors on Buffy weren't making that much, it was low budget unlike Bones.)
It's not in the writer's best interest to put two actors who love each other in an on-screen relationship. What if they broke up? And refused to act together. Much better if they were ambivalent or dislike each other at the outset, but have great on-screen chemistry. Most on-screen television couplings in tv shows featured actors who didn't like each other. Examples?
Lauren Graham and Scott Patterson (Gilmore Girls)
Nina Dobrev and Ian Sommerhandler (Vampire Diaries)
Ellen Pompelo (Meredith) and Patrick Dempsey (Derek) (Grey's Anatomy)
(Castle) and (Kate) ( Castle)
Never ask an actor who their character should be in love with -- you're assuming they like their co-star or that their opinion matters. It doesn't. To anyone, well except for their fans, maybe. I find it hilarious people got upset with SMG for her opinions on this. She had no power. Or felt validated. Again. No power. SMG and Whedon did not agree on Buffy's emotional trajectory after Season 5.
Also, they don't see the whole show, they just see their script. Few even have watched it. They can tell you how they approached the role (well for the most part, sometimes it's intuitive and they've no clue how to explain it), or what it was like to perform the scene. OR how they wish it went or what their desires were for it. Or what happened backstage between takes. Or how they prepared. Or what they used to make it work. Stuff like that. But Sarah Michelle Gellar can't tell you what Buffy the character is thinking, feeling or wants. Sarah isn't Buffy. Joss Whedon, Jane Espenson, Marti Noxon, Stephen DeNight, etc can and they'll probably fight over it.
The best art is when these questions aren't easily answered and open to interpretation. Makes it more real.
2. It's still cold, but spring is whispering its way in, through the cracks here and there. Either that or certain living things are a tad confused and ahead of the program. The trees, for example are used to budding in late March and early April. So they are budding. Or trying to at any rate. They keep getting snowed on. And the birds are making nests and flying north. Only to change course in mid-flight and go back, because it's frigging freezing, WTF? The daffodiles, azealas, and pretty purple flowers that I can't remember the names of, are in full bloom. The Super keeps wrapping them in plastic bags and blankets at night.
But hey, progress. The grass is being particular and waiting a tad longer. Wise grass.
Sunny, with a smattering of clouds across a delicate robin's egg blue. Not quite as blue as it was this morning without the clouds. But hey better than yesterday, when there was nothing but clouds.
And, I'm back on the restricted Paeolo Diet - basically off all grains, sugars (even fruit), diary, caffeine, alcohol (see sugar), soy (which I've always been off of...). Back to nuts, greens, veggies, meats, fish, eggs, water, and tea.
Why? Pain. IBS. Arthritis. Back. Knee. And frequent breakouts. Also I can't fit into 90% of my clothes. So there's that.
Let's face it I can't do sugar. Need to go off it for a while until I can get things back into balance. Then introduce fruit back in. Along with a few other things.
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Date: 2018-04-09 01:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2018-04-09 02:09 pm (UTC)According to what I've read, they dated for about a year and a half? Maybe two years? Mostly before their characters got together. Had a bad breakup. And couldn't stand each other. Allegedly one of the reasons Dobrev wanted out was ...well that. Had great chemistry throughout.
They've both been smart about it and diplomatic.
It happens a lot. Weirdly the actors with the best chemistry in films and television are often (not always) the ones who didn't like each other. Mainly because the camera picks that up better. It's harder to suppress. Actors who like each other also have great chemistry. But ambivalence is hard to work with.
Doesn't matter though. Sex and kissing on-screen isn't fun or sexy for actors regardless of who you are working with. Even kisses are choreographed. Because you have to do it for a camera. It helps if you trust the person you are working with, if you don't -- it's impossible to do well. Because you have to trust them to have your back and protect you in the shot. That's the reason Castle got cancelled, the two stars hated each other, and did not trust each other at all. In the other pairings, they got along. Marsters and SMG had a sibling relationship of sorts. But if you can't stand the other person and don't trust them -- it can be painful.
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Date: 2018-04-09 02:34 pm (UTC)But yeah, I get it. There was another show where the actors just hated one another and the chemistry was phenomenal until one of them was like "NOPE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE." A recent-ish one. I can't remember!
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Date: 2018-04-09 05:11 pm (UTC)The only thing I know about the Nina/Ian one is EW or some onzine listed them as one of the hot couples that you could not tell did not get along and disliked each other. the leads of the Gilmore Girls also popped up on that list along with Castle. And that Nina/Ian dated for a bit, then apparently one of them slept with someone else, and they broke up. (I liked the show, but was never fannish. Only been in one fandom in my lifetime - BTVS/Angel - and that was pretty much 2002-2008. Everything else? Poked about in or lurked, but never stayed.)
(No one knows if Marsters/Gellar disliked each other -- neither has really said anything. Just that they had a bit of sibling relationship, and were friends. And got on each other's nerves, like any workplace, except, well you get naked and pretend to have sex for a camera. (Their sex scenes were weirdly more explicit and kinky than anything on Vamp Diaries. Vamp Diaries was really tame in that regard.)