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shadowkatTomorrow, after work, I look at apartments again with realtor. Trying to not dread it. Will admit it is easier to do with realtor. Less nerve-wracking. So there's that.
Here's a quote that struck me as...informative (in - that "explains A LOT" sort of way), by Joss Whedon on Dollhouse from his recent SciFi Now interview on the Avengers. Which I'm admittedly posting against my better judgment, which means it may be gone tomorrow because I'll think damn, why did I post that? But I really want to know what people think and discuss it - in particular people who are NOT necessarily fans of the writer and/or Dollhouse and/or the Buffy comics.
Dollhouse in retrospect.
I never concieved of a more pure journey from helplessness to power, which is what I always write about, and in that sense, I feel we accomplished a lot of it. I do feel that part of what we tried to get at kind of got taken out at the beginning and it really was more important to how the show would work than I even realized when they took it out- which was sex. The show was supposed to be, on some level, a celebration of perversion, as something that makes us unique. Sort of our hidden selves. You can talk about your hidden selves and identity, but when you have to shoot each other every week, you get a bit limited. The show was supposed to flop genres every episode, and the moment we did that, they shut us down and said, 'Quickly, have someone shoot at someone.' I feel when we had to take sex out of the equation, it became kind of a joke or almost unsettling. Because we couldn't hit it head on - and so much of our identity is wrapped up in our sexuality, and this is something Eliza (Dusku) was talking to me about, as something she wanted to examine before I even came up with the idea, and to have that sort of excised and marginalized and santised and not to be able to hit on the head what they were doing made the show a little bit limited and a little bit creepy at times, I think we still did some fairly out-there stuff, and I'm proud of what we did, given the circumstances, but with those circumstances, it was never really going to happen the way it should have.
Regarding why Dollhouse didn't work:
The situation with Dollhouse was that Fox was trying to get it, but we had come at two different shows (Yeah, Fox wanted Nikita, you wanted...) we had done that accidentally, and it got to a point where I didn't know what I was trying to accomplish, and you can't go into a story room with that feeling, because it's already really hard. I remember thinking this is the difference between this and Firefly, because with Firefly, I knew, and here, now I'm not even sure. I was just thinking..I'm writing a shoot-out on a dock- I'm a whore. They're like - No, that doesn't make you a whore, and I'm like, I'm fairly certain it does! They explained that, actually having sex for money makes you a whore. But I also did that.
[In consideration of my blood-pressure, please refrain from the following while commenting: praising, personal insults, degrading, bashing, or expressing sympathy for Whedon. Also no Joss Whedon icons. Thank you. All other comments and icons, within reason of course, are welcome.]
Here's a quote that struck me as...informative (in - that "explains A LOT" sort of way), by Joss Whedon on Dollhouse from his recent SciFi Now interview on the Avengers. Which I'm admittedly posting against my better judgment, which means it may be gone tomorrow because I'll think damn, why did I post that? But I really want to know what people think and discuss it - in particular people who are NOT necessarily fans of the writer and/or Dollhouse and/or the Buffy comics.
Dollhouse in retrospect.
I never concieved of a more pure journey from helplessness to power, which is what I always write about, and in that sense, I feel we accomplished a lot of it. I do feel that part of what we tried to get at kind of got taken out at the beginning and it really was more important to how the show would work than I even realized when they took it out- which was sex. The show was supposed to be, on some level, a celebration of perversion, as something that makes us unique. Sort of our hidden selves. You can talk about your hidden selves and identity, but when you have to shoot each other every week, you get a bit limited. The show was supposed to flop genres every episode, and the moment we did that, they shut us down and said, 'Quickly, have someone shoot at someone.' I feel when we had to take sex out of the equation, it became kind of a joke or almost unsettling. Because we couldn't hit it head on - and so much of our identity is wrapped up in our sexuality, and this is something Eliza (Dusku) was talking to me about, as something she wanted to examine before I even came up with the idea, and to have that sort of excised and marginalized and santised and not to be able to hit on the head what they were doing made the show a little bit limited and a little bit creepy at times, I think we still did some fairly out-there stuff, and I'm proud of what we did, given the circumstances, but with those circumstances, it was never really going to happen the way it should have.
Regarding why Dollhouse didn't work:
The situation with Dollhouse was that Fox was trying to get it, but we had come at two different shows (Yeah, Fox wanted Nikita, you wanted...) we had done that accidentally, and it got to a point where I didn't know what I was trying to accomplish, and you can't go into a story room with that feeling, because it's already really hard. I remember thinking this is the difference between this and Firefly, because with Firefly, I knew, and here, now I'm not even sure. I was just thinking..I'm writing a shoot-out on a dock- I'm a whore. They're like - No, that doesn't make you a whore, and I'm like, I'm fairly certain it does! They explained that, actually having sex for money makes you a whore. But I also did that.
[In consideration of my blood-pressure, please refrain from the following while commenting: praising, personal insults, degrading, bashing, or expressing sympathy for Whedon. Also no Joss Whedon icons. Thank you. All other comments and icons, within reason of course, are welcome.]
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Date: 2010-11-22 03:09 pm (UTC)So the episode ended with young Sue all excited about a movie night with her dad. He'd agreed to sit down and watch Eclipse with her. Clearly the father knew it was going to be a chore for him to watch, but he was doing something to make his daughter happy, because he knew that real life (and news of the slumber party) was going to come around to get her tomorrow. So he acted interested. "So what's this movie about?" with Sue ecstatically explaining about how Bella, the clumsy, ordinary girl, had two 'amazing' guys fighting over her...
Which, really, at the end of the day is what the awkward 14 year old girl in braces fantasizes about. There's a lot to criticize Twlight over. A whole hell of a lot. But, honestly, are we also really surprised that fourteen year old girls occasionally might want a romantic fantasy where two handsome 'special' boys (who aren't particularly interested in something as unsettling for a young tween as sex) are attracted to an ordinary, clumsy girl?
At any rate, the Dad deciding to take the bullet and sit and watch this abyssmal movie series with his young daughter, to make her feel special, was the most kind-hearted and understanding take-down of Twilight that I've seen. It got both that the movies are terrible and that it make sense why young girls may at times need that sort of fantasy as an antidote to real life.
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Date: 2010-11-22 05:48 pm (UTC)While I definitely understand Whedon's temptation to go after Twilight and Anne Rice, it strikes me as interesting that he's never really gone after male fantasy tropes - such as Harry Potter (which is repected) or Star Wars or even Star Trek. (Granted I like both a heck of a lot better and am fans of those two...but). Not parody them, but attack the trope itself in much the same way he's doing with Twilight and well Anne Rice's take on vampires.
The Middle's handling is far better writing - its subtle and at the same time, is respectful. It understands why the girl is feeling that way, instead of just judging her for feeling it.
The Buffy comics and Dollhouse feel very judgmental to me. As if the writer has jumped up on a soap box to pontificate. Never a good thing.