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shadowkatJust watched Episode 6 of Game, and yes, this section was a bit slow and frustrating in the book as well. Don't worry no book spoilers. I did enjoy sections of it though - everything with Tyrion Lannister and Ayra. Who are my two favorite characters in the books. And the bits with Vicerys and Danrys whose story is starting to take off.
I'm not bothering with a full recap, because Regina Thorn does a really good one on Heroes and Heartbreakers and she can spell everyone's name, which I clearly can't. (Or rather, am far too lazy to do - you know this because you've seen me do recaps that are precise and everyone's name is spelled correctly, so yes just laziness. Plus, am rather tired. Busy weekend.)
I remember when I read the books getting increasingly frustrated with Ned Stark and thinking, how stupid are you? I mean seriously, dude, did the cold air up in Winterfell kill a few brain cells?
1. Honorable Ned Stark
The show opens with Ned opening up his eyes to greet King Robert and Queen Cersei who hover (a bit like vultures) over him. They both want something. And oddly, on this occasion, the same thing - more or less - which is to get word to Catelynn to free Tyrion and stop this silly conflict. Ned, honorable guy that he is, won't budge and continues to defend his wife's actions and demands that Robert reprimand Jamie Lannister for attacking him unprovoked in the passageway. The Queen insists that it was the other way around and witnesses will back her up. Considering Ned's entire guard was killed and the only person present who could back him up is Lord Balish or Little Finger (I can't spell Balish, so we're going with Little Finger), I'd say she has a point. Also, since Ned has no evidence that Tyrion killed Bran outside of a dagger - or for that matter any clear motivation - I'd say he's treading on thin ice on that one as well. King Robert to give me a bit of credit - tries to get across to Ned that he needs to make nice with Lannister's.
Robert: "I have a Kingdom to run - I don't need Starks and Lannisters at each others throats or declaring war on each other. Make up."
Ned refuses, once again stating how the Lannister's stepped over the line first. Cersei states how wrong he is and defends her brothers and blood. Cersei gets smacked upside the head by Robert, making Ned wince. Cersei says she'll wear the bruise like a badge of honor. Robert states no she won't, she'll suffer in silence. She gets out leaving Robert alone to commiserate with Ned and inform Ned that he's the brother he chose, he doesn't like his own (Renly and Stannis). Ned says he's going back to Winterfell. Robert doesn't let him - insisting he stay as Hand. And we'll talk when I get back. I'm going on a hunt, you're sitting the Iron Throne while I'm gone, doubt you'll enjoy it much. Ned's flabbergasted. Hunt? Now?? Robert - I have to kill things when I get upset.
Sigh. I'd feel more sorry for Ned if wasn't so stupid. Seriously dude, what are you thinking? I get that you feel a duty to your wife and family, and yes, you aren't wrong that something ain't quite right in Denmark (sorry wrong play - Westeros) but dude...can you be a little more circumspect and a little less obvious about it? It's not like the Lannister's don't own half the Kingdom after all?
Just in case we've forgotten how rich the Lannisters are and how going after them is well a bit like going after the Federal Reserve Bank or the US attacking China, Tyrion reminds us in Eyrie - making it clear to Maud his jailer that there are two sayings one about how much gold Lannisters have, and the other about how a Lannister always pays his debts.
But let's not take Tyrion's word for it - both Little Finger and the other advisor with the long white beard who looks like a dessicated wizard without his hat tell Ned more than once that the Kingdom is in debt to the Lannister's. That Tywin Lannister pretty much owns more than 60%. (In short Ned's attacking the people who are paying for everything.) They try to tell poor Ned that gold speaks louder than honor. And has a lot more power and weight.
Which Tyrion proves to Lady Catelynn and Lady Lyssa - when he manages to bribe his way into getting a hearing, and bribes his way into getting a champion. Bronn - no dummy, and one of Catelynn's guard, decides to champion Tyrion and doesn't do it honorably. He of course wins.
Fights aren't won with honor they are won with cunning.
Lyssa: But you didn't fight honorably!
Bronn:Nope, but he did. (the guy who lost).
Honor is sort of worthless actually. I mean it's all good and well to be honorable and want justice, but if you have no power...what's it matter. Although, in the case of Tyrion, Lyssa, and Catelynn - the whole honor thing is a tad questionable. In case you haven't figured it out by now, the only evidence linking Tyrion to Bran's attempted murder is a dagger and Little Finger telling them that Tyrion won it from him. That's pure circumstantial evidence...anyone could have stolen Tyrion's dagger and gave it to the guy to kill Bronn - with the intent to frame Tyrion. Not that hard to do. Tyrion would have to be a complete nimrod to have done it, as he points out repeatedly to the extraordinarily simple and somewhat dimwitted Catelynn. In short, Catelynn doesn't have any evidence connecting Tyrion or the Lannisters to Bran's injury or the attempt on his life outside of a blond strand of hair and a dagger. She doesn't have a motivation, and at this point Jamie and Cersei don't even know about the attempt, nor for that matter did Tyrion. Her relentless pursuit of Tyrion was foolhardy, not honorable. She permits his torture and his capture.
Catelynn and Lyssa do redeem themselves by letting him go after the trial by combat which he wins. So, I suppose you can say that's honorable. Except...wait, they only did it because they didn't have any other choice - they'd have been outvoted by the men around them and the law of the kingdom. As Tyrion states - I have a right to request Trial by Combat and a right to leave if I win. And they back that up.
I suppose you could call Catelynn and Ned honorable...but you can also call the Rapture enthusiasts honorable for spreading out the word that the world will end because the Bible calculates it or for that matter George W Bush honorable for declaring War on Iraq, because it appeared they had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Honor is a bit problematic.
Meanwhile over in Kingslanding, Ned continues to ignore his advisors and make emotional and choices in regards to the Kingdom. When he's told that The Mountain allegedly pillaged a fishing village in his wife's territory. (I had troubles following this bit... but apparently The Mountain hurt Catelynn's family's honor to get back at her for tainting Lannister honor. Tit for Tat so to speak. And The Mountain and The Hound are known as Tywin Lannisters men. And did it on Tywin's orders.) Ned considers this treason of the highest order and orders that a hundred men be rounded up and sent out to bring the Mountain to Justice - strip him of his armor, his knighthood, etc. He also orders that raven be sent to Tywin Lannister demanding his presence in Kings Landing to speak for his crimes against the state. Little Finger wonders if Ned has thought this through and points out, once again - that Tywin Lannister owns half of Kingslanding.
Realizing that what he is doing could possibly put his two daughters in danger - Ned decides at this point to send them back to Winterfell. Unfortunately for Ned, they don't want to go. Joffrey has managed to charm the slightly bratty Sansa (who apparently has inherited her parents dull wits and buys his routine hook line and sinker, although I can see why), and Syrian has managed to charm the far brighter Ayra (who seems to have inherited the wits of someone other than her parents). Ayra asks Ned if she can least bring Syrian with her. Sansa who has bought the line that Surian is just a dancing instructor - scoffs. Curiously it has not occurred to Ned until now that he might want to get his daughter's the heck out of dodge or rather Kingslanding. Why it didn't occur to either Ned or Catelynn prior to their decision to track down and capture Tyrion, I've no clue. Did they think they were safe in Kingslanding? That the Queen's family had no power? That money had no weight or importance?
While discussing this with his daughters, Sansa states: "No, I want to marry Joffrey and be his Queen and have nice children with blond hair."
And a lightbulb goes off in Ned Stark's head. Aha! Yes, dear reader, Ned has finally figured out why Aryn was hunting down all of Robert's bastards and pursuing the book of the families. Barratheons always have dark hair, all Barratheons had dark hair, except for Joffrey. Which means...that Joffrey is not Robert's son! Unfortunately for Ned, he hasn't exactly been subtle or secretive in his search for this information. I'm not sure Ned could spell subtle. Or subterfuge for that matter. He's really out of his depth in Kingslanding or with politics. Honorable men apparently make lousy Kings, Politicians and Advisors.
2. King Robert and Renly.
Renly makes a good point to Robert, who is busy waxing nostalgic about the good old days. When would those be exactly, asks Renly. When we were fighting the War? When the mad king was on the thrown muttering about how he should burn the babies, wives and mothers, and everyone he didn't like? Or before that - when dragons were burning villages and everything in sight?
I rather like Renly, even if he's a bit dim.
3. Ayra learns from the Sword Master (whose name I obviously am too lazy to look up and spell correctly) - that she needs to separate emotion from sword play. To not allow it to interfere, to use it. To not let it cripple her. Hmm, maybe he should be teaching Catelynn and Ned Stark.
4. Danerys is forced to eat a horse's heart to see what sex her child is and how strong he will be. I thought this was gross in the books. She manages to eat all of it. She also discovers that she can touch the heated dragon eggs as they sit on the burning coals, without being burned. She's placing them in the fire to heat them, and picks them up to move them and her maiden comes to assist, worried about her burning herself - but only the maiden's hands are burned. Dany's hands are fine. (Evidence of the magical realism used in the series.)
Vicerys tries to steal the eggs and take off to raise his own army. Realizing that selling his sister to buy an Army from Drako (or whatever his name is) has sort of backfired on him. Dany and her kid are being christened as the rulers, not him. He takes this up with Jorah, who he accuses of having a thing for Dany. He's not wrong.
Then Vicerys in a fit of arrogant stupidity threatens Dany and her child's life to get what he wants from Drako. He wants the Golden Crown (power).GoldfingerDrako states sure I'll give you a Golden Crown and he melts the gold and pours a kettle full of melted Gold on poor Vicerys head. Dany watches and tells Jorah - "It's okay. He was never a true Dragon, fire can't burn a Dragon." Yes, Dany clearly has a bit of Tarragyn crazy gene in her as well. But she also has a point the fire didn't burn her. Although I'm not sure even she would have survived a cauldron filled with hot molten gold poured over her head.
5. Finally, Bran - whose dreams, while incredibly dull and weird are actually important. He keeps seeing the three-eyed crow in them. He also almost gets killed by escaping wildlings. That's who that is - the wildlings escaping from the Wall. Who say, going south, where there are no Wights. Theon and Rob are at odds. Theon wants Rob to declare War on the Lannisters, Rob's a bit more cautious...and wants to wait and see what happens first. (Wise move.) Theon does save Bran and Rob's life from one of the wildlings, killing two of them. I think Rob killed one. But instead of being grateful, Rob rips into him for taking the chance. Seriously Rob - way to make friends and engender enemies. Earlier Rob makes a point of telling Theon that he's not Master here and reminding him that he has no power. Again, Rob, dude, it's not exactly like you have a lot of friends up here.
Overall, not a bad episode. The slowness - is more the fault of George RR Martin than Espenson, that really was the plot in the book and the tv episode does actually move a bit faster. I spent a good portion of Game of Thrones ranting at Ned Stark, who is clearly not the brightest bulb in Westeros.
I'm not bothering with a full recap, because Regina Thorn does a really good one on Heroes and Heartbreakers and she can spell everyone's name, which I clearly can't. (Or rather, am far too lazy to do - you know this because you've seen me do recaps that are precise and everyone's name is spelled correctly, so yes just laziness. Plus, am rather tired. Busy weekend.)
I remember when I read the books getting increasingly frustrated with Ned Stark and thinking, how stupid are you? I mean seriously, dude, did the cold air up in Winterfell kill a few brain cells?
1. Honorable Ned Stark
The show opens with Ned opening up his eyes to greet King Robert and Queen Cersei who hover (a bit like vultures) over him. They both want something. And oddly, on this occasion, the same thing - more or less - which is to get word to Catelynn to free Tyrion and stop this silly conflict. Ned, honorable guy that he is, won't budge and continues to defend his wife's actions and demands that Robert reprimand Jamie Lannister for attacking him unprovoked in the passageway. The Queen insists that it was the other way around and witnesses will back her up. Considering Ned's entire guard was killed and the only person present who could back him up is Lord Balish or Little Finger (I can't spell Balish, so we're going with Little Finger), I'd say she has a point. Also, since Ned has no evidence that Tyrion killed Bran outside of a dagger - or for that matter any clear motivation - I'd say he's treading on thin ice on that one as well. King Robert to give me a bit of credit - tries to get across to Ned that he needs to make nice with Lannister's.
Robert: "I have a Kingdom to run - I don't need Starks and Lannisters at each others throats or declaring war on each other. Make up."
Ned refuses, once again stating how the Lannister's stepped over the line first. Cersei states how wrong he is and defends her brothers and blood. Cersei gets smacked upside the head by Robert, making Ned wince. Cersei says she'll wear the bruise like a badge of honor. Robert states no she won't, she'll suffer in silence. She gets out leaving Robert alone to commiserate with Ned and inform Ned that he's the brother he chose, he doesn't like his own (Renly and Stannis). Ned says he's going back to Winterfell. Robert doesn't let him - insisting he stay as Hand. And we'll talk when I get back. I'm going on a hunt, you're sitting the Iron Throne while I'm gone, doubt you'll enjoy it much. Ned's flabbergasted. Hunt? Now?? Robert - I have to kill things when I get upset.
Sigh. I'd feel more sorry for Ned if wasn't so stupid. Seriously dude, what are you thinking? I get that you feel a duty to your wife and family, and yes, you aren't wrong that something ain't quite right in Denmark (sorry wrong play - Westeros) but dude...can you be a little more circumspect and a little less obvious about it? It's not like the Lannister's don't own half the Kingdom after all?
Just in case we've forgotten how rich the Lannisters are and how going after them is well a bit like going after the Federal Reserve Bank or the US attacking China, Tyrion reminds us in Eyrie - making it clear to Maud his jailer that there are two sayings one about how much gold Lannisters have, and the other about how a Lannister always pays his debts.
But let's not take Tyrion's word for it - both Little Finger and the other advisor with the long white beard who looks like a dessicated wizard without his hat tell Ned more than once that the Kingdom is in debt to the Lannister's. That Tywin Lannister pretty much owns more than 60%. (In short Ned's attacking the people who are paying for everything.) They try to tell poor Ned that gold speaks louder than honor. And has a lot more power and weight.
Which Tyrion proves to Lady Catelynn and Lady Lyssa - when he manages to bribe his way into getting a hearing, and bribes his way into getting a champion. Bronn - no dummy, and one of Catelynn's guard, decides to champion Tyrion and doesn't do it honorably. He of course wins.
Fights aren't won with honor they are won with cunning.
Lyssa: But you didn't fight honorably!
Bronn:Nope, but he did. (the guy who lost).
Honor is sort of worthless actually. I mean it's all good and well to be honorable and want justice, but if you have no power...what's it matter. Although, in the case of Tyrion, Lyssa, and Catelynn - the whole honor thing is a tad questionable. In case you haven't figured it out by now, the only evidence linking Tyrion to Bran's attempted murder is a dagger and Little Finger telling them that Tyrion won it from him. That's pure circumstantial evidence...anyone could have stolen Tyrion's dagger and gave it to the guy to kill Bronn - with the intent to frame Tyrion. Not that hard to do. Tyrion would have to be a complete nimrod to have done it, as he points out repeatedly to the extraordinarily simple and somewhat dimwitted Catelynn. In short, Catelynn doesn't have any evidence connecting Tyrion or the Lannisters to Bran's injury or the attempt on his life outside of a blond strand of hair and a dagger. She doesn't have a motivation, and at this point Jamie and Cersei don't even know about the attempt, nor for that matter did Tyrion. Her relentless pursuit of Tyrion was foolhardy, not honorable. She permits his torture and his capture.
Catelynn and Lyssa do redeem themselves by letting him go after the trial by combat which he wins. So, I suppose you can say that's honorable. Except...wait, they only did it because they didn't have any other choice - they'd have been outvoted by the men around them and the law of the kingdom. As Tyrion states - I have a right to request Trial by Combat and a right to leave if I win. And they back that up.
I suppose you could call Catelynn and Ned honorable...but you can also call the Rapture enthusiasts honorable for spreading out the word that the world will end because the Bible calculates it or for that matter George W Bush honorable for declaring War on Iraq, because it appeared they had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Honor is a bit problematic.
Meanwhile over in Kingslanding, Ned continues to ignore his advisors and make emotional and choices in regards to the Kingdom. When he's told that The Mountain allegedly pillaged a fishing village in his wife's territory. (I had troubles following this bit... but apparently The Mountain hurt Catelynn's family's honor to get back at her for tainting Lannister honor. Tit for Tat so to speak. And The Mountain and The Hound are known as Tywin Lannisters men. And did it on Tywin's orders.) Ned considers this treason of the highest order and orders that a hundred men be rounded up and sent out to bring the Mountain to Justice - strip him of his armor, his knighthood, etc. He also orders that raven be sent to Tywin Lannister demanding his presence in Kings Landing to speak for his crimes against the state. Little Finger wonders if Ned has thought this through and points out, once again - that Tywin Lannister owns half of Kingslanding.
Realizing that what he is doing could possibly put his two daughters in danger - Ned decides at this point to send them back to Winterfell. Unfortunately for Ned, they don't want to go. Joffrey has managed to charm the slightly bratty Sansa (who apparently has inherited her parents dull wits and buys his routine hook line and sinker, although I can see why), and Syrian has managed to charm the far brighter Ayra (who seems to have inherited the wits of someone other than her parents). Ayra asks Ned if she can least bring Syrian with her. Sansa who has bought the line that Surian is just a dancing instructor - scoffs. Curiously it has not occurred to Ned until now that he might want to get his daughter's the heck out of dodge or rather Kingslanding. Why it didn't occur to either Ned or Catelynn prior to their decision to track down and capture Tyrion, I've no clue. Did they think they were safe in Kingslanding? That the Queen's family had no power? That money had no weight or importance?
While discussing this with his daughters, Sansa states: "No, I want to marry Joffrey and be his Queen and have nice children with blond hair."
And a lightbulb goes off in Ned Stark's head. Aha! Yes, dear reader, Ned has finally figured out why Aryn was hunting down all of Robert's bastards and pursuing the book of the families. Barratheons always have dark hair, all Barratheons had dark hair, except for Joffrey. Which means...that Joffrey is not Robert's son! Unfortunately for Ned, he hasn't exactly been subtle or secretive in his search for this information. I'm not sure Ned could spell subtle. Or subterfuge for that matter. He's really out of his depth in Kingslanding or with politics. Honorable men apparently make lousy Kings, Politicians and Advisors.
2. King Robert and Renly.
Renly makes a good point to Robert, who is busy waxing nostalgic about the good old days. When would those be exactly, asks Renly. When we were fighting the War? When the mad king was on the thrown muttering about how he should burn the babies, wives and mothers, and everyone he didn't like? Or before that - when dragons were burning villages and everything in sight?
I rather like Renly, even if he's a bit dim.
3. Ayra learns from the Sword Master (whose name I obviously am too lazy to look up and spell correctly) - that she needs to separate emotion from sword play. To not allow it to interfere, to use it. To not let it cripple her. Hmm, maybe he should be teaching Catelynn and Ned Stark.
4. Danerys is forced to eat a horse's heart to see what sex her child is and how strong he will be. I thought this was gross in the books. She manages to eat all of it. She also discovers that she can touch the heated dragon eggs as they sit on the burning coals, without being burned. She's placing them in the fire to heat them, and picks them up to move them and her maiden comes to assist, worried about her burning herself - but only the maiden's hands are burned. Dany's hands are fine. (Evidence of the magical realism used in the series.)
Vicerys tries to steal the eggs and take off to raise his own army. Realizing that selling his sister to buy an Army from Drako (or whatever his name is) has sort of backfired on him. Dany and her kid are being christened as the rulers, not him. He takes this up with Jorah, who he accuses of having a thing for Dany. He's not wrong.
Then Vicerys in a fit of arrogant stupidity threatens Dany and her child's life to get what he wants from Drako. He wants the Golden Crown (power).
5. Finally, Bran - whose dreams, while incredibly dull and weird are actually important. He keeps seeing the three-eyed crow in them. He also almost gets killed by escaping wildlings. That's who that is - the wildlings escaping from the Wall. Who say, going south, where there are no Wights. Theon and Rob are at odds. Theon wants Rob to declare War on the Lannisters, Rob's a bit more cautious...and wants to wait and see what happens first. (Wise move.) Theon does save Bran and Rob's life from one of the wildlings, killing two of them. I think Rob killed one. But instead of being grateful, Rob rips into him for taking the chance. Seriously Rob - way to make friends and engender enemies. Earlier Rob makes a point of telling Theon that he's not Master here and reminding him that he has no power. Again, Rob, dude, it's not exactly like you have a lot of friends up here.
Overall, not a bad episode. The slowness - is more the fault of George RR Martin than Espenson, that really was the plot in the book and the tv episode does actually move a bit faster. I spent a good portion of Game of Thrones ranting at Ned Stark, who is clearly not the brightest bulb in Westeros.
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Date: 2011-05-23 10:12 am (UTC)I'm running out of ways to say "Ned, you pig-headed fool". After the ambush last week, and he STILL hasn't high-tailed it out of there? And no announcing his intention to send the girls away doesn't count, he should have just grabbed them and got the hell out, no arguments.
Yes, Dany clearly has a bit of Tarragyn crazy gene in her as well.
Hm, I didn't take it as 'crazy' so much as 'entirely justifiably vengeful'. I can't blame her for enjoying Viserys' gruesome end, I know I did!
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Date: 2011-05-25 04:35 pm (UTC)Very sorry about that. Haven't had time to edit.
I'm running out of ways to say "Ned, you pig-headed fool". After the ambush last week, and he STILL hasn't high-tailed it out of there? And no announcing his intention to send the girls away doesn't count, he should have just grabbed them and got the hell out, no arguments.
Sigh, yes. This drove me nuts in the book as well. I kept railing at him in the book and now I'm doing it in the series. Why hasn't he sent his daughter's away yet? Granted he's injured - but surely he could find someone that he trusted to escort his daughters back to either Winterfell or to Riverrun? And why did he stick around ...couldn't he have taken his daughters home first instead of continuing to blunder his way around Kingslanding playing detective? Which he is horrible at. No, he has to declare war on the Lannister's from Kings Landing...with no "trusted" army of his own in place, his daughters not safe, his wife god knows where, and his own home and fortress miles and miles away?
Ugh. You just want to smack him.
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Date: 2011-05-23 02:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-05-23 03:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-05-24 01:40 am (UTC)And I was thinking today that I'm not even sure that I remember how Robert was killed correctly... which seems like a weird thing to forget, except by the time we were given the answer (a book later) it just didn't matter all that much.
Martin seems to do that a lot.
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Date: 2011-05-24 04:37 pm (UTC)He does - to Tyrion in Storm. I can't remember if he does to Brienne or Catelynn.
Martin does a good job of demonstrating how holding grudges and seeking vengeance and/or justice often makes things far worse for the seeker than... not doing so. It's all good and well to do the old "eye for and eye" routine, but seriously when does it stop? It doesn't change what happened. It doesn't bring the person back. And it doesn't really make any one feel better (okay for maybe a month or a year, if that) or for that matter prevent a reoccurence. If Catelynn had left well enough alone..and Ned had as well, most of the other deaths would have been avoided.
The ironic bit - is Bran doesn't even remember Jamie pushing him and if he does, doesn't care. And the crime that Ned and Catelynn are attempting to convict Tyrion or Jamie on is not the one Jamie did - but the attempted murder.
I actually love how the Stark's and the reader believe the three crimes are linked leading everyone on a wild goose chase that ends in bloodshed: Aryn's death, Bran's fall, and attempted murder of Bran. On it's face - it looks like Jamie and Ceresi's secret is the link. But it isn't at all. In fact the three crimes aren't even linked. Jon Arryn was not killed because of what he knew regarding Cersei and Jamie. Someone did not attempt to kill Bran because of what he might do nor was the murderer doing it for either Cersei or Jamie in the books. In both those instances, the murderer either did not care about Jamie and Cersei's secret or they didn't know. Realistic and deftly done.
Often there is no pattern, even if our minds insist there's one.
And I was thinking today that I'm not even sure that I remember how Robert was killed correctly... which seems like a weird thing to forget, except by the time we were given the answer (a book later) it just didn't matter all that much.
Felt much the same way. What matters is the chain reaction caused by his death.
I do know how he dies and who kills him (I'm guessing this will happen in either next week's episode or the one shortly after it)- which is ironic in a way. His death is. People do pay for their crimes in these books but in an indirect manner and a long time after their crime (so long in fact that we often have forgotten it or think it's moot). Cersei gets her comeuppance in Feast of Crows. Very karmic world. Vicerys death is an example of that, as is King Robert's. Actually all the death's have an oddly karmic feel to them. You reap what you sow, etc.
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Date: 2011-05-23 03:48 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2011-05-23 11:18 pm (UTC)Went into it tired from the weekend. And Ned and Catelynn annoyed me in the books as well.
This section is actually done better in the tv series than in the books. A lot was left out - which may pop up in the next episode. We spend a lot of time in the books with Catelynn worrying about the consequences of capturing Tyrion, and Ned worrying about what Jon Ayran was doing.
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Date: 2011-05-23 06:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-05-23 11:21 pm (UTC)Everyone else online loved the episode to pieces.
Probably should have watched this one another night. Like I decided to do with Doctor Who - wait until I'm in the right mood.