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Mar. 1st, 2012 11:06 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Alright..taking a bit of time out to admit the latest Mark Watches post amused me.
Highlights:
*BUFFY’S DREAM. WHAT THE FUCK. Oh my god, Faith, I miss you. How is this show going to deal with you? I thought you were dead for sure, and now you’re here, and you’re in a coma, and I just feel bad for you. Why do I have a feeling this dream sequence has some other importance I’m not seeing?
Me: You have no idea. Fan literally rewound that dream five or six times to figure out the clues for the next two seasons - which are all interwoven in that dream. The coming of Dawn, Joyce's death, and finally Buffy's death to save the world.
And if you think the dream sequence in S3 is trippy, just wait until Restless in S4.
Also Dude, seriously, is Fuck your favorite word? It makes your posts difficult to read at work.
Angel: SHUT THE FUCK UP. I am so irritated by you and your constant need for melodrama. First, you don’t want Buffy around. Then you want to help her. Then you don’t want to live. And now you won’t stick around to say goodbye because it’ll be “too painful.” Maybe it’s so painful because you won’t make up your goddamn mind. Can you even imagine the pain you are causing Buffy with this whole back-and-forth routine? No? SO STOP IT.
If Angel's lurking indecisiveness where Buffy is concerned bugs him in Graduation Day, just wait for Pangs and I Will Always Remember You - which are what killed that ship dead for me. For more or less the same reason's Mark is echoing above.
Oh, of course Angel is going to Brood in the fog and smoke before disappearing. Angel was never truly worried about saying goodbye. He just needed to brood one last time.
LOL! Actually, not for the last time. And... Well he never actually does need to say goodbye, because he just keeps popping up, once a season. I think the only season he didn't pop up was S6 - no wait, he did, just off stage. B/A relationship otherwise known as "do I stay or do I go, I can't make up my mind!!!"
Almost makes me want to re-watch the series again.
I think my Buffy poll is finally done. I'll close it Friday night. With 75 participants, S3 is still not much of a favorite, only 11 people list it as a favorite and only 6 as their favorite of all the seasons. S5 is still ahead by a wide margin, with S6 a few lags behind, and S7/S3 tied for third place, S4 is in fourth,
S2 is in fifth and S1 dead last. Apparently the majority of my flist or whomever took the poll prefers the latter seasons to the earlier ones. I'm guessing they are mostly Spike fans like myself...because let's face it he's not in the earlier seasons. If you are a Spike fan, you probably won't rank 1-3 as your overall favorite or 1st. The people who tend to put S3 first - I've noticed - aren't Spike fans, but Faith or Xander fans. Poor souls. You really got gypped. Faith hardly has much of an arc.
Angel/David Boreanze fans, I don't feel sorry for, they got an entire series featuring their hero. Plus Bones. Frigging lucky people. While us Spike/James Marsters fans, got barely anything in comparison. I really need to stop becoming enamored of quirky character actors.
Highlights:
*BUFFY’S DREAM. WHAT THE FUCK. Oh my god, Faith, I miss you. How is this show going to deal with you? I thought you were dead for sure, and now you’re here, and you’re in a coma, and I just feel bad for you. Why do I have a feeling this dream sequence has some other importance I’m not seeing?
Me: You have no idea. Fan literally rewound that dream five or six times to figure out the clues for the next two seasons - which are all interwoven in that dream. The coming of Dawn, Joyce's death, and finally Buffy's death to save the world.
And if you think the dream sequence in S3 is trippy, just wait until Restless in S4.
Also Dude, seriously, is Fuck your favorite word? It makes your posts difficult to read at work.
Angel: SHUT THE FUCK UP. I am so irritated by you and your constant need for melodrama. First, you don’t want Buffy around. Then you want to help her. Then you don’t want to live. And now you won’t stick around to say goodbye because it’ll be “too painful.” Maybe it’s so painful because you won’t make up your goddamn mind. Can you even imagine the pain you are causing Buffy with this whole back-and-forth routine? No? SO STOP IT.
If Angel's lurking indecisiveness where Buffy is concerned bugs him in Graduation Day, just wait for Pangs and I Will Always Remember You - which are what killed that ship dead for me. For more or less the same reason's Mark is echoing above.
Oh, of course Angel is going to Brood in the fog and smoke before disappearing. Angel was never truly worried about saying goodbye. He just needed to brood one last time.
LOL! Actually, not for the last time. And... Well he never actually does need to say goodbye, because he just keeps popping up, once a season. I think the only season he didn't pop up was S6 - no wait, he did, just off stage. B/A relationship otherwise known as "do I stay or do I go, I can't make up my mind!!!"
Almost makes me want to re-watch the series again.
I think my Buffy poll is finally done. I'll close it Friday night. With 75 participants, S3 is still not much of a favorite, only 11 people list it as a favorite and only 6 as their favorite of all the seasons. S5 is still ahead by a wide margin, with S6 a few lags behind, and S7/S3 tied for third place, S4 is in fourth,
S2 is in fifth and S1 dead last. Apparently the majority of my flist or whomever took the poll prefers the latter seasons to the earlier ones. I'm guessing they are mostly Spike fans like myself...because let's face it he's not in the earlier seasons. If you are a Spike fan, you probably won't rank 1-3 as your overall favorite or 1st. The people who tend to put S3 first - I've noticed - aren't Spike fans, but Faith or Xander fans. Poor souls. You really got gypped. Faith hardly has much of an arc.
Angel/David Boreanze fans, I don't feel sorry for, they got an entire series featuring their hero. Plus Bones. Frigging lucky people. While us Spike/James Marsters fans, got barely anything in comparison. I really need to stop becoming enamored of quirky character actors.
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Date: 2012-03-02 11:58 pm (UTC)I've been thinking about that. Also how much he knows classic sci-fi - such as Clockwork Orange or The Prisoner. Can't tell, guessing not so much. I am curious how he will react to Spike getting a chip in his head and being conditioned not to hurt people.
OTOH...he does appear to have a huge trigger where abusive boyfriends are concerned and a lot of people I've met online who had similar triggers hated Spike in s6. But you are right...his commentators may influence him. Unlike most fans - he's doing this as a job, he needs his readers. He toned down the Xander stuff after a bit. And he's careful with Bangle. You have to be careful, because if people stop reading your professional blog - there goes your income.
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Date: 2012-03-04 12:31 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-03-04 04:59 am (UTC)I remember reading a lot of fanfic on the topic. Herself_nyc and Wisteria both wrote amazing stories. And like you, I struggled with the online fan drama. A similar situation occurred with LMTP - where fans projected their experiences and views onto other fans and refused to acknowledge there could be an interpretation other than their own. If you liked Spike after Lies, you were evil or deluded. The online Spike Wars were exhausting. I no longer have patience for them. ;-)
The writers didn't help matters. Stating things in interviews that didn't fit what we saw on-screen. Nor did the actors in their interviews and Q&A's. Marsters confused many people.
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Date: 2012-03-04 08:47 pm (UTC)What was it?
As a late comer, I was also surprised at some of the fandom's reactions. One of them was the controversy surrounding this episode. I've read some discussion threads but it was mostly debates on Team Giles & Wood vs Team Spike & Buffy. What made fandom so angry towards Spike in particular? I could think of a few things that probably made many fans angry but the part where “fans projected their experiences”? I have no idea ....
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Date: 2012-03-04 09:29 pm (UTC)Personally, I *love* LMPTM; it's in my top 10. Needless to say I see it quite differently than the critics.
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Date: 2012-03-04 09:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-03-04 09:44 pm (UTC)http://www.atpobtvs.com/existentialscoobies/archives/mar03_p33.html#58
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Date: 2012-03-04 10:13 pm (UTC)And thanks for the link.
Ohhh that thread looks very interesting! I bookmarked it and coming back to read it all tomorrow. :-)
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Date: 2012-03-04 11:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-03-05 08:40 pm (UTC)(Am I mistaking you for someone else? I hope I didn't totally embarrass myself ... haha)
Oh, and thanks for the tip. ;)
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Date: 2012-03-05 08:59 pm (UTC)Thanks. I'm having fun doing it. Feel free to join in the conversation there as well.
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Date: 2012-03-05 10:06 pm (UTC)Feel free to join in the conversation there as well.
Thanks. I'd love to! :-)
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Date: 2012-03-05 05:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-03-05 08:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-03-06 12:29 am (UTC)Unfortunately it's sort of defunct now in regards to discussion, everyone has more or less moved elsewhere. A good portion of my friends list came from that board.