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1. Anyone know anything about the online version of weight watchers? Is it pricy? How does it work?

Need to find a way to control this compulsive over-eating. Which is hurting me and is undoubtedly a reaction to stress. Thinking maybe if I have to keep track of everything I eat and drink that will help.


2. Currently reading Laura Kinsale's Flowers from the Storm, which is actually a well-written historical romance. Not as rare as a well-written contemporary romance - have yet to find one of those. John Green's The Fault in Our Stars - I don't really consider a contemporary romance, but if you do? That's the best written I've found to date. It's also hands down the best written book I've read in years. But back to Flowers from the Storm. How credible it is to the time period (19th Century), I wouldn't know. But the author does a convincing job of portraying it and the odd coupling of a Duke who has suffered a stroke and the young Quaker woman who aids him.

Here's what the author states about it:

The odd tidbit of original inspiration for Flowers came from a great-aunt of mine. When I was fairly young—7 or 8?—she suffered a stroke and lost the ability to speak. My grandmother, her sister, brought her to live at home for the next ten years. She would come up behind us kids and grab our hair or our arm, pinch so hard that it hurt, and say “No, no, no, no!” I thought she was nuts. Forgive me, I was young and afraid of her. My grandmother always insisted that she could understand what was said to her, and stood by her to the end.

Many years later, many—out of nowhere, the thought came to me that my grandmother had been right. That my great-aunt had been trapped behind a wall. It was a stunning realization.

I spent a fascinating period researching brain damage while writing Flowers from the Storm.


In the novel the Duke of Jevorlaux suffers a cereberal brain hemorrage or stroke, and is placed in a lunatic aslym, because at that time they didn't understand what a stroke was and misdiagnosed his inability to communicate as dementia. As the heroine, Maddy Timms, states at one point - he wasn't mad, he was maddened. The asylum is a bit grim and its practices alarming. Although I'm not sure they are accurate. In the book he is treated to cold therapeutic baths that remind me of water torture, strapped down, and placed in confinement.

The institution is run by Quakers, which seemed odd to me. Because I can't imagine a Quaker endorsing the therapeutic cold baths, although Cousin Edmund is a lasped Quaker and follows what he consider modern medical treatments.

She does a decent job of conveying religious without judging it. Too often a writer will place a value judgment on someone who is religious - making them out to be a fanatic. This takes me out of the story. Not all religious people are fanatics. Regardless of what many television shows dictate. Maddy is a religious person, pious and devout but she is also smart, intutitive, kind, and compassionate. Not to mention perceptive. Her religion gives her strength and guides her to aid the hero, Christian, who has suffered a stroke and is trapped. She looks past her prejudices and comes to his aid.

The story is detailed and in both characters points of view, the Quaker voice and the mind of a man inflicted with severe aphsia, inability to communicate. Words are taken from him.
I wouldn't call it literary, but it is by far amongst the best of the genre it resides within. There's also a cynical edge to it - in regards to psychiatric medicine, particularly the behaviorists - who believed that all behavior could be changed through conditioning - using pain, pleasure, and removal of basic human requirements. Now this methodology is challenged as infringement of human rights. I'm not a fan of the behaviorists. But my knowledge is admittedly sketchy - having only studied them briefly in the late 1980s. Which was over 20 years ago. I've had to wedge a lot of information into my brain since then.

Date: 2012-06-29 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ponygirl2000.livejournal.com
I found that the online Weight Watchers does work pretty well and the price is pretty reasonable. I was hungry the first couple weeks until I got into the habit of filling up on fruits and vegetables but it really made me aware of how much snacking and seconds I'd been having. I've been bad of late and I do think at a certain point only increasing my exercise is going to stop me from plateauing but I do recommend it.

Date: 2012-06-29 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Thanks. I'm not sure what to try yet. I know others have been successful with WW, but not sure I want to pay for it. At least not yet. My Aunt lost over 150 pounds on WW.

Date: 2012-06-29 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
Although I'm not sure they are accurate. In the book he is treated to cold therapeutic baths that remind me of water torture, strapped down, and placed in confinement.

Don't know how accurate it is for that specific time period, but it is accurate for the 19th Century. It was mentioned as a 'treatment' in Bryson's At Home non-fiction, and it's also in the Darwin movie Evolution as he subjected his poor daughter to it, as well as himself (as he suffered from depression and some other poorly understood malady). He even had one built at his home so that he could do it to himself.

Date: 2012-06-29 02:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Yeah, I went to an exposition on the open mental institute in Geel about a year ago. Geel has been known for their care of mental patients over the past few centuries. They were considered very progressive for their time, but they still used those.

Date: 2012-06-29 07:40 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com
Similarly in the UK The Retreat at York founded by Quakers was famous for its humane 'moral' (as opposed to physical) treatment but as I recall, when Anne Digby wrote a book on The Retreat she found that they did have straitjackets and manacles and so on: they just didn't use them anything like as much.

Cold water baths were recommended for a wide range of conditions in the C19th.

Date: 2012-06-29 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
The writer's examination of the Quakers and the hospital fit your description above and I think the author may be basing it on The Retreat. The book takes place in England.

Also it's far more accurate than The Madness of Lord Ian McKenzie, not to mention better written - the characters are more complex, better use of language, and more detailed.

The writer also is doing an excellent job of showing how language can be a barrier. The Duke's inability to communicate or clearly understand spoken and written words because of his stroke - acts as a barrier between him and his world. Everyone thinks he is an imbecile because of his difficulty with language. But, here's the thing - he has no problems with numbers. Mathematical principals he can still communicate. Which would make sense, the hemorage shut-down one portion of the brain but not another portion.
That's equally accurate.

Date: 2012-06-29 02:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com
I am using the online version, but I get a coupon as a Lifetime Member to use it, so it's not costing me as long as I keep my weight down.

What it helped with a LOT was learning the points plus system. I lost 20 lbs on the old system and didn't want to switch to the new one even though it was getting more difficult to get the points values on the old system. You can look up all sorts of foods and get the points value for it which makes it a lot easier to track your food. You also track your exercise and weight.

Supposedly, it's no substitute for going to meetings and getting the weekly pep talk, but you can do the online program without going to meetings. They have online boards for community support if you're so inclined. I go to monthly meetings because I am a lifetime member.

The cost of meetings varies I guess by region, I couldn't get a straight answer out of the website, but it shouldn't be too hard to find out.

Date: 2012-06-29 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Not sure I want to pay for it and whole attending meeting thing isn't going to work for me...but I'd like to try a tracking point system without the whole meeting/time commitment bit.

Date: 2012-06-29 10:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com
Once you learn the points system and the rules for following them (they give you point limits you need to lose weight given your age, height, and gender), and an exercise plan and how you can sometimes substitute exercise points to increase food point content, you can pretty much track by yourself with a spreadsheet or something.

There are online point calculators for food, not sure about exercise.

Date: 2012-06-29 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cindergal.livejournal.com
I think WW online is a good value if you want the community support of the message boards, etc. I think it's about $18-20/month. If all you want to do is track your food/calories, there are free options that can do that for you as well. Lose It! (iPhone app or online), myfitnesspal.com, sparkpeople.com or fitday.com are a few good ones. And actually, they probably have community support, too, but I don't know how active their boards are. I use Lose It! on my iPhone and it's very easy and convenient.

Date: 2012-06-29 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizziebuffy2008.livejournal.com
I was also going to say that if you are only interested in tracking your food (and exercise,) there are plenty of free programs for that. My husband and I use Livestrong. It is free (unless you want the Gold membership) and has a large database of foods and activities. It will also allow you to set a weight goal (based on how many pounds you would like to lose per week,) and taking into account your height and lifestyle, gives you a goal calorie intake.

Date: 2012-06-29 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
I might try one of the tracking programs...don't really want the support group bit. Just a way of tracking.

Thanks!

Date: 2012-06-29 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fenchurche.livejournal.com
I've had excellent results with WW Online... 110 pounds down. I've ended up gaining back about 30, but that's not a problem with WW. There was a medical issue that cropped up that forced me off the plan for a bit, followed by a new asthma inhaler that made me gain about half a pound a week until I finally gave up on it. Thankfully, I'm losing again.

But yeah, it's very possible to do just the Online version and have good success. Although I must admit that I did have an online support group of sorts... some friends I already knew, who had an LJ community for discussing WW stuff. It meant if I did have any questions or things I couldn't figure out, I could pick the brains of people who actually were going to meetings.

Date: 2012-06-29 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Thanks. I'm considering trying one that doesn't cost anything, although if I pay maybe that will make me do it. No, who am I kidding...I pay for the Y and don't go.

Date: 2012-06-29 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophist.livejournal.com
I know you asked about WW specifically, but you might give these guys a look too: http://whole9life.com/9-blog/ They are highly regarded.

Date: 2012-06-29 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Thanks for the link. That might work too.
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