Once Upon a Time - The Miller's Daughter
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shadowkatAnother Rumplestilskin centric episode - so of course it was quite good and well-paced.
Also we finally got our twist on the Rumplestilskin story, which was intriguing. Particularly if you know the original - go here:http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/Rum.shtml. I won't retell it - I already posted on it last year.
* The twist is that the Miller's Daughter and Rumplestilskin bond over their issues and fall deeply in love. But Rumple and the Miller's Daughter/Cora are both so twisted with their desire for power - that it can't work. She's twisted by the her husband, Henry's father, who is power hungry and tells her a heart and love are weakness. She has a choice she can either marry Henry, rule, be Queen with everyone at her feet, or run off with her ugly magical imp.
She chooses the former, and rips out her own heart. As she tells Rumple - he's her weakness, he was the only man she ever loved, so she ripped out her own heart so she wouldn't give in to her weakness. Also he doesn't get Regina, since they amended they agreement - he only gets his own child.
Ah the ironies...
Without a heart, she is unable to truly love. And unable to love, Cora never has Regina either. And realizes too late that the love of her child would have been enough.
It's all so tragic. Except both Regina and Cora more or less made their own bed.
Weirdly, Rumplestilskin is more sympathetic in this episode than the Miller's daughter. Although when I read the Annotated Grimm's version - I didn't like the Miller's daughter or the King all that much - they came across as greedy and manipulative. I felt sorry for Rumple in the original tale. So this version weirdly aligns with that one.
Here, don't like either Regina or Cora. What Snow decides to do is ironically set in motion by both Cora and Regina, and merely aided by Rumplestilskin. Snow regrets it, but to be fair, I'm not sure Cora, Regina and Rumple give her much choice. Regina's choice to take vengeance on Eva, who cruelly tripped her as a spoiled child...leads her to lose her own child and her own life.
She chose power over love and died...barely ever knowing the love of a parent for her own child. She got that at the very end. Rumplestilskin was a tad wiser, he never removed his heart...and he tells her over and over again - power is empty, you'll have nothing.
* Turns out Regina inadvertently is the one to kill her mother - but it isn't intentional. She was attempting to give her mother back her heart, obtaining love. What she didn't know is Snow cursed it first. Poor baby. Not quite the way I wanted it to turn out - mainly because we are right back to Regina wanting to destroy everyone's lives so she can kill Snow, who of course is to blame for every bad thing that ever happened to Regina, because it just can't be Regina or Mama or Rumple's fault...it has to be Snow White's.
* Rumplestilskin was interesting in this episode...he gives everyone choices and manipulates everyone, but really does nothing himself. He manipulates Emma into performing magic - except unlike Regina and Cora - he has Emma do it out of love not hate. Rumple and Regina and Cora practice magic out of hate and vengeance. Rumple seems to get the difference.
He's wiser and a lot smarter than either Regina or Cora, which makes him a more interesting and more complicated villain. Not to mention more ambiguous one. Plus less predictable.
Regina and Cora are predictable, dumb, and a bit one-note in their villainery - because they don't appear to have any self-awareness. And are easily manipulated by others.
Snow was more interesting in this episode than Regina or Cora, because Snow wrestles with her choices and feels remorse. I have yet to see remorse from either Regina or Cora. Cora doesn't really show it at the end...she merely states with awe, that Regina would have been enough ...and she didn't need the power after all. But I don't see any regret or remorse, just surprise. And Regina shows no remorse, she just feels vindicated for hating Snow and regrets trusting her to give her back her Mom - so she can take Henry from them.
Which I found difficult to buy - I mean hello, Regina, just last week you killed Snow's substitute Mom, Johanna, Snow found out Cora killed her Mom, and you are currently threatening to kill Snow's entire family? Do you really think Snow will help you out of the kindness of her heart? You're not exactly endearing anyone to your cause at the moment, dearie. Rumple right now is more sympathetic than you are.
Also, the Cora/Regina finale scene felt very karmic. It was the inevitable result of both characters choices. Cora's in killing Snow white's mother and setting Regina up to hate and destroy Snow, and Regina's in destroying Snow's life. If they'd left well-enough alone, they both would have had the happiness they desired. Their desire for power and revenge on those they felt hurt or disenfranchised them destroyed everything worth having. Unfortunately, unlike Rumplestilskin, neither obtained the wisdom to see that and were doomed to lose each other. If you can't see yourself for who you are...you can't learn or change and you can't be redeemed. Self-awareness is 90% of the battle. At this point, I can see Rumplestilskin reaching some sense of balance or redemption, not so sure about Regina.
* I can see why Snow followed Rumple's instructions - from her perspective there really was no other option. She couldn't let Cora get the dagger. Also Cora and Regina had killed Snow's entire family - her father, her mother, and her substitute Mom - Johanna. Plus Regina separated Snow from her own daughter for 28 years. Regina and Cora had a butt-load of bad karma headed in their direction. And I'm not even counting all the other innocent lives they destroyed en-route to their goals - power and control. Rumplestilskin equally has a butt-load of bad karma headed his way, although to be fair, he's already most of his - he's lost every woman he's loved - two ripped out their hearts. Actually Cora was karmic justice for Millah, the one woman who understood him and could love him for what he was - ripped out her own heart to become just like him and gave him up to do it. If that isn't irony, I don't know what is. And the only one who saw the good in him, can't remember him. Then of course there's the son that he's been separated from for an eternity. Now he's faced with some of the same ironic choices that Cora and Regina were faced with - he can either love and protect his new family or act to destroy it.
Snow followed the dark path, but being Snow instantly regretted it and set out to undo it.
She was right and wrong at the same time. She was right in returning Cora's heart to her, but wrong in trading Cora's life for Rumple's. I knew she would -because it is in a way a karmic reflection on what happened with her own mother, EVA. Cora poisoned Eva in much the same way that Hook poisoned Rumple. Cora gave Snow the same choice that Rumple gives her - use the candle to exchange one life for another. So Snow exchanges Cora's life for Rumple's.
If she'd not done that and just given Cora back her heart - would it have gone better?
I doubt it - just because Cora can now love Regina, doesn't mean she wouldn't take down Rumple and attempt to take Henry away from Emma and Snow. If anything she'd be even more motivated. So from that perspective I'm not sure Snow had any other choice - Regina and Cora sort of pushed her to it.
Morally it was wrong. But, you have to admit it was ultimately practical. Her only mistake was not taking out Regina too. Snow, darling, if you leave one evil magic user standing...you still have a problem.
* After rewatching several episodes from S1 today, it occurs to me that if the real world comes to Storybrook - Dr. Hopper has a point, Regina may lose Henry legally. Magic may cost her Henry on legal grounds alone. As Rumple has warned her in the past on numerous occasions, magic always comes with a price and well, it works differently in this world than it did in the old one. Also she's grossly underestimating Emma and has from the beginning.
Emma is not only brighter than she is, but she's also a bit more capable of taking care of things without magic. All Emma has to do is take Henry out of Storybrook or send him off with Baelfire and Regina will never see Henry ever again. If I were Regina I'd learn how to get on Emma's good side and give up my kill Snow White hobby, particularly since it hasn't gotten me anywhere to date and appears to be more trouble than it's worth. Snow White is a bit like the road-runner, she can't be killed. Give up already.
* Show stop teasing me about killing off one of the lead regulars - I know you aren't going to do it. Snow White, Charming, Rumple, Emma, Henry, and Regina are pretty much safe. Why do tv shows do this? We all know they aren't killing these characters off. There would be no tv show. Now, supporting characters are another story - Star Trek made that much clear ages ago.
I knew Cora was going to get it sooner or later, she was too Bwahhahha evil not to. Plus killing her...advances or allegedly advances Regina's arc. Personally, I think it just set it back a season. The only arc it appears to have advanced is Snow White's.
* Michael Raymond James/Baelfire you need to stop mumbling. I shouldn't have to turn on the close-captioning to figure out what you are saying. I love you, but speak clearly please and not in your mustache. Not much of him in this episode, and I feel gypped of Peter Pan references regarding the sailing of Hook's ship. Has Emma figured out how he knows Hook?
Will that get referenced? They better not just drop it. I'll be annoyed.
Overall - good episode. But I would have preferred more Bae and Emma, or Bae and Charming, or Henry and Emma, and a lot less Cora and Regina and Snow. The Regina/Snow conflic is getting old. This needs to be resolved soon. Right now it is rinse and repeat. You can't sustain that forever people. We do require closer sooner or later.
Also we finally got our twist on the Rumplestilskin story, which was intriguing. Particularly if you know the original - go here:http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/Rum.shtml. I won't retell it - I already posted on it last year.
* The twist is that the Miller's Daughter and Rumplestilskin bond over their issues and fall deeply in love. But Rumple and the Miller's Daughter/Cora are both so twisted with their desire for power - that it can't work. She's twisted by the her husband, Henry's father, who is power hungry and tells her a heart and love are weakness. She has a choice she can either marry Henry, rule, be Queen with everyone at her feet, or run off with her ugly magical imp.
She chooses the former, and rips out her own heart. As she tells Rumple - he's her weakness, he was the only man she ever loved, so she ripped out her own heart so she wouldn't give in to her weakness. Also he doesn't get Regina, since they amended they agreement - he only gets his own child.
Ah the ironies...
Without a heart, she is unable to truly love. And unable to love, Cora never has Regina either. And realizes too late that the love of her child would have been enough.
It's all so tragic. Except both Regina and Cora more or less made their own bed.
Weirdly, Rumplestilskin is more sympathetic in this episode than the Miller's daughter. Although when I read the Annotated Grimm's version - I didn't like the Miller's daughter or the King all that much - they came across as greedy and manipulative. I felt sorry for Rumple in the original tale. So this version weirdly aligns with that one.
Here, don't like either Regina or Cora. What Snow decides to do is ironically set in motion by both Cora and Regina, and merely aided by Rumplestilskin. Snow regrets it, but to be fair, I'm not sure Cora, Regina and Rumple give her much choice. Regina's choice to take vengeance on Eva, who cruelly tripped her as a spoiled child...leads her to lose her own child and her own life.
She chose power over love and died...barely ever knowing the love of a parent for her own child. She got that at the very end. Rumplestilskin was a tad wiser, he never removed his heart...and he tells her over and over again - power is empty, you'll have nothing.
* Turns out Regina inadvertently is the one to kill her mother - but it isn't intentional. She was attempting to give her mother back her heart, obtaining love. What she didn't know is Snow cursed it first. Poor baby. Not quite the way I wanted it to turn out - mainly because we are right back to Regina wanting to destroy everyone's lives so she can kill Snow, who of course is to blame for every bad thing that ever happened to Regina, because it just can't be Regina or Mama or Rumple's fault...it has to be Snow White's.
* Rumplestilskin was interesting in this episode...he gives everyone choices and manipulates everyone, but really does nothing himself. He manipulates Emma into performing magic - except unlike Regina and Cora - he has Emma do it out of love not hate. Rumple and Regina and Cora practice magic out of hate and vengeance. Rumple seems to get the difference.
He's wiser and a lot smarter than either Regina or Cora, which makes him a more interesting and more complicated villain. Not to mention more ambiguous one. Plus less predictable.
Regina and Cora are predictable, dumb, and a bit one-note in their villainery - because they don't appear to have any self-awareness. And are easily manipulated by others.
Snow was more interesting in this episode than Regina or Cora, because Snow wrestles with her choices and feels remorse. I have yet to see remorse from either Regina or Cora. Cora doesn't really show it at the end...she merely states with awe, that Regina would have been enough ...and she didn't need the power after all. But I don't see any regret or remorse, just surprise. And Regina shows no remorse, she just feels vindicated for hating Snow and regrets trusting her to give her back her Mom - so she can take Henry from them.
Which I found difficult to buy - I mean hello, Regina, just last week you killed Snow's substitute Mom, Johanna, Snow found out Cora killed her Mom, and you are currently threatening to kill Snow's entire family? Do you really think Snow will help you out of the kindness of her heart? You're not exactly endearing anyone to your cause at the moment, dearie. Rumple right now is more sympathetic than you are.
Also, the Cora/Regina finale scene felt very karmic. It was the inevitable result of both characters choices. Cora's in killing Snow white's mother and setting Regina up to hate and destroy Snow, and Regina's in destroying Snow's life. If they'd left well-enough alone, they both would have had the happiness they desired. Their desire for power and revenge on those they felt hurt or disenfranchised them destroyed everything worth having. Unfortunately, unlike Rumplestilskin, neither obtained the wisdom to see that and were doomed to lose each other. If you can't see yourself for who you are...you can't learn or change and you can't be redeemed. Self-awareness is 90% of the battle. At this point, I can see Rumplestilskin reaching some sense of balance or redemption, not so sure about Regina.
* I can see why Snow followed Rumple's instructions - from her perspective there really was no other option. She couldn't let Cora get the dagger. Also Cora and Regina had killed Snow's entire family - her father, her mother, and her substitute Mom - Johanna. Plus Regina separated Snow from her own daughter for 28 years. Regina and Cora had a butt-load of bad karma headed in their direction. And I'm not even counting all the other innocent lives they destroyed en-route to their goals - power and control. Rumplestilskin equally has a butt-load of bad karma headed his way, although to be fair, he's already most of his - he's lost every woman he's loved - two ripped out their hearts. Actually Cora was karmic justice for Millah, the one woman who understood him and could love him for what he was - ripped out her own heart to become just like him and gave him up to do it. If that isn't irony, I don't know what is. And the only one who saw the good in him, can't remember him. Then of course there's the son that he's been separated from for an eternity. Now he's faced with some of the same ironic choices that Cora and Regina were faced with - he can either love and protect his new family or act to destroy it.
Snow followed the dark path, but being Snow instantly regretted it and set out to undo it.
She was right and wrong at the same time. She was right in returning Cora's heart to her, but wrong in trading Cora's life for Rumple's. I knew she would -because it is in a way a karmic reflection on what happened with her own mother, EVA. Cora poisoned Eva in much the same way that Hook poisoned Rumple. Cora gave Snow the same choice that Rumple gives her - use the candle to exchange one life for another. So Snow exchanges Cora's life for Rumple's.
If she'd not done that and just given Cora back her heart - would it have gone better?
I doubt it - just because Cora can now love Regina, doesn't mean she wouldn't take down Rumple and attempt to take Henry away from Emma and Snow. If anything she'd be even more motivated. So from that perspective I'm not sure Snow had any other choice - Regina and Cora sort of pushed her to it.
Morally it was wrong. But, you have to admit it was ultimately practical. Her only mistake was not taking out Regina too. Snow, darling, if you leave one evil magic user standing...you still have a problem.
* After rewatching several episodes from S1 today, it occurs to me that if the real world comes to Storybrook - Dr. Hopper has a point, Regina may lose Henry legally. Magic may cost her Henry on legal grounds alone. As Rumple has warned her in the past on numerous occasions, magic always comes with a price and well, it works differently in this world than it did in the old one. Also she's grossly underestimating Emma and has from the beginning.
Emma is not only brighter than she is, but she's also a bit more capable of taking care of things without magic. All Emma has to do is take Henry out of Storybrook or send him off with Baelfire and Regina will never see Henry ever again. If I were Regina I'd learn how to get on Emma's good side and give up my kill Snow White hobby, particularly since it hasn't gotten me anywhere to date and appears to be more trouble than it's worth. Snow White is a bit like the road-runner, she can't be killed. Give up already.
* Show stop teasing me about killing off one of the lead regulars - I know you aren't going to do it. Snow White, Charming, Rumple, Emma, Henry, and Regina are pretty much safe. Why do tv shows do this? We all know they aren't killing these characters off. There would be no tv show. Now, supporting characters are another story - Star Trek made that much clear ages ago.
I knew Cora was going to get it sooner or later, she was too Bwahhahha evil not to. Plus killing her...advances or allegedly advances Regina's arc. Personally, I think it just set it back a season. The only arc it appears to have advanced is Snow White's.
* Michael Raymond James/Baelfire you need to stop mumbling. I shouldn't have to turn on the close-captioning to figure out what you are saying. I love you, but speak clearly please and not in your mustache. Not much of him in this episode, and I feel gypped of Peter Pan references regarding the sailing of Hook's ship. Has Emma figured out how he knows Hook?
Will that get referenced? They better not just drop it. I'll be annoyed.
Overall - good episode. But I would have preferred more Bae and Emma, or Bae and Charming, or Henry and Emma, and a lot less Cora and Regina and Snow. The Regina/Snow conflic is getting old. This needs to be resolved soon. Right now it is rinse and repeat. You can't sustain that forever people. We do require closer sooner or later.
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Date: 2013-03-12 11:19 pm (UTC)His fiance is clearly rich and has a great job - maybe she's a top-tier litigator?
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Date: 2013-03-12 11:21 pm (UTC)Kind of a dull line of work in a fairytale show.
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Date: 2013-03-14 01:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-03-14 01:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-03-15 01:44 am (UTC)we do still have mermaid, centaur, witch, fairy-godmother, tinkerbell remaining...hey maybe she's Tinkerbell in FTL and a family law lawyer in LwM?
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Date: 2013-03-15 01:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-03-15 06:45 pm (UTC)There's a possibility we'll get a flashback - revealing Bae as Peter Pan and she'll be introduced as one of the mermaids or Tiger Lily from Neverland. Actually Tiger Lily works - princess. But she has a lot of money - so clearly from wealth. Maybe Wendy...20 years later? Wendy came from a wealthy family.
But I'll be surprised if we get much more...they didn't give us much more than a flash - "hi Emma, this is my fiance and it's her car", then next week...we're on the ship and suddenly back in Storybrook. We didn't get anything further...and if she was important? We would have. She's only important to the extent that Bae clearly moved on and that puts Emma's walls back up in regards to him. But engagements can be broken. So can marriages for that matter. But definitely engagements.
He can break up with her by text, celebrities do it all the time.
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Date: 2013-03-15 07:00 pm (UTC)Or possibly, the character's escape route at the end of his run on the show. You know, "Nice to see you Dad, Emma, I'm back to my fiancee in New York now. Visit any time Henry."
Which makes me grumpy, not 'cause I'm Jonesing so much for Emma/Neal, but there is some fascinating ground to be covered with Baelfire/Rumplestiltskin and Neal/Henry.
But hey, if they don't kill Neal off, I suppose I'll be okay.
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Date: 2013-03-16 12:54 am (UTC)No, it definitely is. I read enough of an interview with the writers that made that much clear. So works from Watsonian and Doylist, I guess.
I was mainly worried about Neal/Bae leaving too soon or being killed off, before I get what I want regarding the character. But from what I read of the writer's interview - that's not the case.
OTOH ...they apparently want to kill people off. Of course we know they won't kill off the leads...so that leaves the guest stars. Personally?I don't care - as long as they don't kill off Neal/Bae.
BTW...there are apparently August/Emma shippers...sigh, the whole thought of those two together just creeps me out for some reason this season. Last season - I could see it. This season? Ew. Just slug him, Emma. But ew.
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Date: 2013-03-16 01:08 am (UTC)As for Pinnochio, I think Hansel and Gretel's dad needs them to collect some more firewood....
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Date: 2013-03-16 01:59 am (UTC)Although...Hook/Emma/Bae could be entertaining if they built it right - would have to take a long time though, albeit seriously twisted and weird. In the interview the writers gleefully admit how weird and twisted that love triangle would be...and how against Hook/Emma - Snow White, Charming, and Rumplestilskin would be. Goodwin who plays Snow says there is no way she would be supportive of Hook/Emma - Because hello, Emma would be banging her son's father's step-father. Weird.
Sigh, yes, where is Hansel and Gretel's dad when you need him? Maybe that's what happened to Pinnochio? He got chopped up for firewood?
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Date: 2013-03-16 05:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-03-16 08:42 pm (UTC)You have to build up to that sort of thing.
And here? I don't think it would work - because Emma is too smart, she's not a 22 year old, she's 28, has a 10-11 year old son, and spent 11 months in prison. She also has spent 10 years as a bounty hunter/bail bondsman. Plus several as a thief. Sure she might find the pirate hot, but she's not dumb enough to fall for him. Emma isn't Belle or Millah.
She's a skeptic.
Nah, the only one I see her with at the moment is Neal/Bae. No one else works for me, outside of the dead Huntsman, who is dead.
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Date: 2013-03-16 09:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-03-16 10:45 pm (UTC)Felt exactly the same way. I did not understand a lot of female fans love for that character or the actor. I was rather ambivalent to be honest.
Was admittedly surprised they killed him. But found the choice to be an interesting and innovative one...also it worked storywise.
He wasn't on the show long enough and I didn't get enough of his character for me to care that much one way or the other.
But the minute Emma returned his affections, he was fridged (they fridge a lot of guys on this show, which would crack me up if I wasn't worried about Neal).
Agreed. And quite true. The writers were planning on killing Charming in the pilot (much like they planned on killing Jack off in LOST in the first episode) but got talked out of it by the network execs - who are women. LOL!
It's fascinating to me that the male writers are fridging male characters, while the female execs and writers and fans are fighting to keep them.
I don't think they'll kill off Baelfire...at least I hope they don't. A bit worried they will pull one of those father has to die for the son to take his place or come into his own bits - to further Henry's arc - which I'm sorry doesn't quite work when the kid is 11. Also as you pointed out, Henry isn't the central character - Emma is. So if they do it - it has to further Emma's arc. Actually I've decided the main pov characters are Emma, Snow, Regina, Rumplestilskin and Charming. With the main one being Emma.
God, I love Emma. I honestly think this female character is becoming one of my fav's on tv. She's totally growing on me. I also love Neal/Bae and want to know more about him. I worry they'll kill him off like the huntsman...before I know anything. Personally I'd rather they killed off Hook - but apparently Hook is considered a hottie by the fandom, while I consider Baelfire the hottie...sigh, this is not the first time fandom and me have been at odds. ;-)
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Date: 2013-03-16 11:26 pm (UTC)So I can see the draw of Hook that the writers may not have anticipated before the actor was cast, and now will motivate them to keep him on long after his intended story line is over (I think this happened personally with Spike--which I *know* you'll disagree with. He was kept on long after they had anything interesting to do with him, just because he was such a big fan draw).
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Date: 2013-03-17 12:14 am (UTC)While Spike is my favorite male character and fascinated me to no end, I will agree that the writers had no clue what to do with him and after a certain point...that came across. It's not the fault of the character so much as it is a fault of the writer's lack of imagination. We, unfortunately, gave the writers of those series far more credit than we should. Also, I will admit that the character I perceived on screen and played with inside my own head was far more interesting than the one in the writer's heads or in the actor's. Often a viewer or reader can give a character more layers than the original creators do.
I think where we disagree is you think they no longer had anything interesting to do with him. But they did. They just lacked the imagination to do it. ;-)
Hook is an excellent example of this. The writers of OUAT are investigating Hook in a way that JM Barrie never considered.
Hook in direct contrast to Spike is a pre-existing character from a popular children's book that everyone knows. So unlike Spike - the writer's have a template to work off of, and they are playing with the character, changing and subverting him, figuring out why he did what he did. So already he has more interesting layers than Spike did. In a way the writers of OUAT are doing with Hook what we did with the characters Angel and Spike and others. Except even more so. They are developing a character that was originally just a flat Wile E. Coyote style villain.
I like Hook a lot, do not get me wrong. I just don't ship him with anyone at the moment. And Michael Raymond James Baelfire - I find more appealing than Colin O'Dongoue's Hook right now...that does not mean I do not find Hook appealing, I do. I just prefer one character over the other, is all. Sorry didn't make that clearer. And being a moody viewer, my interest could change.
I find Hook fascinating. I just like Baelfire better. It's sort of similar to Regina, I like her well enough or love to hate her, but I prefer Emma and Snow. My preferences can change.
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Date: 2013-03-16 01:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-03-16 01:50 am (UTC)It would have been harder not to kill her off and more interesting.
Killing her off - was the easy, cliche route. We knew they were going to do that. They would have surprised me if they hadn't. (Not that I'm not glad she's dead, but still.)
And you're write it is seriously TIRED. Like having a character hit by a bus. Find another way to write the character out. OR if you have to kill someone off - make it count. Pick a lead who will actually change the story. Not that I want them to kill off any of the leads...
I felt the same way about Buffy - it would have been far more interesting if Willow had gone dark without Tara dying. Just as it would have been far more interesting if Spike had gotten a soul without the attempted rape. But the writers went the easy route.
Same deal on Angel - they killed off characters...instead of doing the hard work.
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Date: 2013-03-16 05:09 pm (UTC)Not that Rumple doesn't deserve to lose his son to death for all the evil he's done to get back to him, but no one else deserves it, especially the audience.
Which is a lesson I hope the Downton Abbey writers learn.
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Date: 2013-03-16 08:36 pm (UTC)I'll give OUAT credit - they appear to know how to do this too...there's a lot of characters they've introduced, but have not killed off, just sent away elsewhere. Did they kill the genie or just let him disappear like Pinnochio? He's another character that appears to have mysteriously disappeared, along with Katherine (David's ex-wife).
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Date: 2013-03-16 09:00 pm (UTC)Sidney is locked up in the same asylum Belle was in for 28 years. When Jefferson the Mad Hatter went down there to free Belle in the season 1 finale, he passed the janitor sweeping, who was standing outside a door that said "Sidney Glass" on it.
Sidney was a big sap and sort of walked into that fate, but they can bring him back any time they want. Ditto Abigail and Frederick (Kathryn and true love).