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shadowkatSo this is the GRRM written episode - where the writer just can't resist referencing the other episode he wrote, last year's "The Battle of Blackwater" - where the wildfire burned many ships.
Eh, this series is gorier than I remember the books. Ahem this does not bode well for what lies ahead, does it? Don't say you weren't warned. And oh, there are spoilers for the episode below of course, hence the cut-tagging.
Best exchange of dialogue is once again Tyrion and Bronn. By the way if you like Tyrion's dry wit...you might like G.A. Aiken's series about Dragons. OTOH, warning, it is bloody and has lots of graphic sex and thrusting pretty bodies. It is a book though, sans pictures, so...you can always imagine the bodies however you deem fit.
Bronn: Come on, you can't say the idea of fucking Sansa hasn't crossed your mind? She's a pretty thing. You can put a child in her belly, and keep Shae as your mistress on the side. Besides your heir will get Winterfell - you can rule it.
Tyrion: I don't pay you to put evil ideas into my head, the one's already in there don't need the company.
[My sympathies, feel exactly the same way.]
Also agree with Tyrion's view that Sansa is too young for him. If only Littlefinger were quite so logical.
Margarey sees things like Bronn does. Both are practical characters. She more or less gives Sansa the same advice - you'll get Casterly rock and your son will inherit. Sansa much like Tyrion just thinks - but I'll have to have sex with Tyrion to do it. Margarey no fool tries to point out that Tyrion isn't such a bad deal - actually Sansa is better off with Tyrion than either of the other two options she had, Little Finger and Loras. (The book gave her a better one - in Loras' handicapped yet heterosexual brother, who was allegedly kind and attractive in other ways.)
There's two other great scenes - Jamie and Brienne and Jon Snow and Ygritte. The only two relationships outside of Samwell and Gilly that I actually shipped in these novels. (Sorry Robb does nothing for me. Although his wife is definitely more appealing than she was in the books, not hard considering she was more or less a non-entity in the books).
* Jamie and Brienne - or the Bear and the Maiden Fair. This is interesting. First we get our first taste of how sadistic Roose Bolton is and decisively double-dealing. He is willing to free Jamie - as long as Jamie tells dear old Dad that Bolton had nothing to do with his maiming. (Of course Bolton did - since Locke is Bolton's man and did it with Bolton's blessing more or less.) And that Lock gets to keep Brienne to play with. Then Bolton takes off. Jamie convinces Bolton's soliders who have been tasked with getting him back to Kings Landing intact - so that Tywin Lannister can reward Bolton, into going back for Brienne.
He comes to this conclusion during a discussion with the medic/physician healing his arm.
Jamie realizes the physician lost his "Master's Chain and Status" due to the fact that he was discovered experimenting on his ailing patients. Basically he was opening them up to see what was wrong with them, ahem, while they were still alive and without anesthesia. Amongst other things. He tells Jamie - well how many people have you killed? Jamie guesses a quarter of a million or in that range. And how many have you saved? Ten million - the population of King's Landing. But he pauses, thinking about someone he left behind and a debt owed. So he convinces the group to go back with a threat - if you don't take me back and help me retrieve Brienne, I'll tell my father a story you won't like that much.
But Jamie doesn't stop there - when they reach Harrenhal, he hears the men chanting Bear, Bear, Maiden Fair...and pushes his way through the mob. Discovering Brienne in a wooden pit with a live bear. She's attempting to fit it off with a wooden spear and failing, as one would expect. Jamie, realizing how important his life is to the guard that he brought with him, leaps into the pit with her - in the hopes they'll fire on the Bear. They do and he manages to get her out, and then himself - with great risk to himself. She helps pull him out in return.
This was more or less all I needed to start shipping these two characters madly in the book - where the sequence was far longer. It's done just as well here. The only problem is you know it will end badly. The only characters that don't end badly in these books are the one's not grasping for power, it seems.
* Jon Snow/Ygritte - another great relationship. Ygritte is even more likable here than she was in the books. Both characters grated on my nerves in the books. The actors make them work. There's chemistry between them. And banter. Plus - their discussions about the futility of war, and honor, and how in the end they should just fight for each other and live for today - are rather fun.
I feel for Ygritte though...since I know Snow will betray her. Can't remember how exactly. But it is definitely forshadowed.
* Theon. Damn. This is really spoiling for Theon's arc in Dance with Dragon's, which alluded to what happened in this episode but did not go so far as to show it. I thought about fast-forwarding and almost did. The whole bit with the whores, then the torturer (Ramsay Snow), was just...excruciating. At least they blurred the screen with Theon's screams in the background. It was to a degree forshadowed when Ramsay Snow teased about what essential and non-essential body parts he could remove. And forshadowed with Varrys discussing his torture - and how he became an enuche. Plus the Unsullied. Castration is a big theme in GRRM's tales.
The Unsullied are castrated, Varrys is, and so is Theon. Also, it does to a degree lend a certain level of justification to all those early scenes in season one where we see Theon's penis and watch Theon enjoying himself with Roz. Poor Roz and Theon. If only they'd run off together...when he proposed it. Things would have ended so differently for both - they would not have ended up the playthings of sadistic bastards.
I'm not entirely sure the series needed to show us this. Nor do I understand the point of the Theon arc. It's not a matter of realism. There's a lot of horrible things that happen.
But I'm with Tyrion - got enough nasty things in my head, they don't need company. Not sure showing this stuff is necessary? I don't know, on the fence. I've admittedly read and seen worse in tv shows, films and books.
What else happened? Oh we got the Melisandra/Gendry discussion about Gendry being Robert Barratheon's bastard and Melissandra being the descendent of a slave and working her way up via her god. The one true god. The Red God. Meanwhile Bedric tries to convince Ayra of the holiness of his cause. I actually rather like Bedric - he's sort of a cynical about it or resigned. Arya's pissed - for various and sundry reasons - all of which justified. 1) Bedric let the Hound go, 2) he let Melisandra take Gendry, 3) he broke his promise to take her to Riverrun and is now going South to fight Lannisters. (Although on the Riverrun bit, I thought the same thing I did while reading the book - don't bother going there, by the time you get there - no one will be there, well maybe the BlackFish and Robb's wife will - unless they change things and Robb takes his wife to the wedding - but I doubt it, since she's preggers (she was in the book's too - that hasn't changed). They others all be at the Frey wedding.)
Robb and company plot what they will do after the wedding, and how they will handle the wedding and how this will help them. Sigh. Characters in these books really should stop planning for the future...it's sort of pointless. Ygritte has the right attitude.
Oh and Tywin Lannister verbally puts wayward Joffrey in his place. I loved how he did that - it was adepty done, reminded me a little of Tyrion. Tywin and Tyrion are a lot a like - but they were in the books.
Finally Dany, who is letting her power go to her head - and starting to take on a whole lot more than she can chew. After things went so well in Astapor, she decides to try the same approach in Yunkai. But it doesn't quite go down as expected. Seriously, Dany, I know you mean well in regards to freeing all the slaves - but unless you personally can provide for all their needs - I'm not sure you are doing them any favors - a point that is addressed in Dance with Dragons. The transition between a world with slavery and one without is not as easy as one might think. I'm not saying she shouldn't do it, just that she needs to think about the consequences and prepare better for them than she currently is. (This comes back to bite her in Book Five and is a major theme of Book five. But is built up to in book 3.)
Overall good episode.
Eh, this series is gorier than I remember the books. Ahem this does not bode well for what lies ahead, does it? Don't say you weren't warned. And oh, there are spoilers for the episode below of course, hence the cut-tagging.
Best exchange of dialogue is once again Tyrion and Bronn. By the way if you like Tyrion's dry wit...you might like G.A. Aiken's series about Dragons. OTOH, warning, it is bloody and has lots of graphic sex and thrusting pretty bodies. It is a book though, sans pictures, so...you can always imagine the bodies however you deem fit.
Bronn: Come on, you can't say the idea of fucking Sansa hasn't crossed your mind? She's a pretty thing. You can put a child in her belly, and keep Shae as your mistress on the side. Besides your heir will get Winterfell - you can rule it.
Tyrion: I don't pay you to put evil ideas into my head, the one's already in there don't need the company.
[My sympathies, feel exactly the same way.]
Also agree with Tyrion's view that Sansa is too young for him. If only Littlefinger were quite so logical.
Margarey sees things like Bronn does. Both are practical characters. She more or less gives Sansa the same advice - you'll get Casterly rock and your son will inherit. Sansa much like Tyrion just thinks - but I'll have to have sex with Tyrion to do it. Margarey no fool tries to point out that Tyrion isn't such a bad deal - actually Sansa is better off with Tyrion than either of the other two options she had, Little Finger and Loras. (The book gave her a better one - in Loras' handicapped yet heterosexual brother, who was allegedly kind and attractive in other ways.)
There's two other great scenes - Jamie and Brienne and Jon Snow and Ygritte. The only two relationships outside of Samwell and Gilly that I actually shipped in these novels. (Sorry Robb does nothing for me. Although his wife is definitely more appealing than she was in the books, not hard considering she was more or less a non-entity in the books).
* Jamie and Brienne - or the Bear and the Maiden Fair. This is interesting. First we get our first taste of how sadistic Roose Bolton is and decisively double-dealing. He is willing to free Jamie - as long as Jamie tells dear old Dad that Bolton had nothing to do with his maiming. (Of course Bolton did - since Locke is Bolton's man and did it with Bolton's blessing more or less.) And that Lock gets to keep Brienne to play with. Then Bolton takes off. Jamie convinces Bolton's soliders who have been tasked with getting him back to Kings Landing intact - so that Tywin Lannister can reward Bolton, into going back for Brienne.
He comes to this conclusion during a discussion with the medic/physician healing his arm.
Jamie realizes the physician lost his "Master's Chain and Status" due to the fact that he was discovered experimenting on his ailing patients. Basically he was opening them up to see what was wrong with them, ahem, while they were still alive and without anesthesia. Amongst other things. He tells Jamie - well how many people have you killed? Jamie guesses a quarter of a million or in that range. And how many have you saved? Ten million - the population of King's Landing. But he pauses, thinking about someone he left behind and a debt owed. So he convinces the group to go back with a threat - if you don't take me back and help me retrieve Brienne, I'll tell my father a story you won't like that much.
But Jamie doesn't stop there - when they reach Harrenhal, he hears the men chanting Bear, Bear, Maiden Fair...and pushes his way through the mob. Discovering Brienne in a wooden pit with a live bear. She's attempting to fit it off with a wooden spear and failing, as one would expect. Jamie, realizing how important his life is to the guard that he brought with him, leaps into the pit with her - in the hopes they'll fire on the Bear. They do and he manages to get her out, and then himself - with great risk to himself. She helps pull him out in return.
This was more or less all I needed to start shipping these two characters madly in the book - where the sequence was far longer. It's done just as well here. The only problem is you know it will end badly. The only characters that don't end badly in these books are the one's not grasping for power, it seems.
* Jon Snow/Ygritte - another great relationship. Ygritte is even more likable here than she was in the books. Both characters grated on my nerves in the books. The actors make them work. There's chemistry between them. And banter. Plus - their discussions about the futility of war, and honor, and how in the end they should just fight for each other and live for today - are rather fun.
I feel for Ygritte though...since I know Snow will betray her. Can't remember how exactly. But it is definitely forshadowed.
* Theon. Damn. This is really spoiling for Theon's arc in Dance with Dragon's, which alluded to what happened in this episode but did not go so far as to show it. I thought about fast-forwarding and almost did. The whole bit with the whores, then the torturer (Ramsay Snow), was just...excruciating. At least they blurred the screen with Theon's screams in the background. It was to a degree forshadowed when Ramsay Snow teased about what essential and non-essential body parts he could remove. And forshadowed with Varrys discussing his torture - and how he became an enuche. Plus the Unsullied. Castration is a big theme in GRRM's tales.
The Unsullied are castrated, Varrys is, and so is Theon. Also, it does to a degree lend a certain level of justification to all those early scenes in season one where we see Theon's penis and watch Theon enjoying himself with Roz. Poor Roz and Theon. If only they'd run off together...when he proposed it. Things would have ended so differently for both - they would not have ended up the playthings of sadistic bastards.
I'm not entirely sure the series needed to show us this. Nor do I understand the point of the Theon arc. It's not a matter of realism. There's a lot of horrible things that happen.
But I'm with Tyrion - got enough nasty things in my head, they don't need company. Not sure showing this stuff is necessary? I don't know, on the fence. I've admittedly read and seen worse in tv shows, films and books.
What else happened? Oh we got the Melisandra/Gendry discussion about Gendry being Robert Barratheon's bastard and Melissandra being the descendent of a slave and working her way up via her god. The one true god. The Red God. Meanwhile Bedric tries to convince Ayra of the holiness of his cause. I actually rather like Bedric - he's sort of a cynical about it or resigned. Arya's pissed - for various and sundry reasons - all of which justified. 1) Bedric let the Hound go, 2) he let Melisandra take Gendry, 3) he broke his promise to take her to Riverrun and is now going South to fight Lannisters. (Although on the Riverrun bit, I thought the same thing I did while reading the book - don't bother going there, by the time you get there - no one will be there, well maybe the BlackFish and Robb's wife will - unless they change things and Robb takes his wife to the wedding - but I doubt it, since she's preggers (she was in the book's too - that hasn't changed). They others all be at the Frey wedding.)
Robb and company plot what they will do after the wedding, and how they will handle the wedding and how this will help them. Sigh. Characters in these books really should stop planning for the future...it's sort of pointless. Ygritte has the right attitude.
Oh and Tywin Lannister verbally puts wayward Joffrey in his place. I loved how he did that - it was adepty done, reminded me a little of Tyrion. Tywin and Tyrion are a lot a like - but they were in the books.
Finally Dany, who is letting her power go to her head - and starting to take on a whole lot more than she can chew. After things went so well in Astapor, she decides to try the same approach in Yunkai. But it doesn't quite go down as expected. Seriously, Dany, I know you mean well in regards to freeing all the slaves - but unless you personally can provide for all their needs - I'm not sure you are doing them any favors - a point that is addressed in Dance with Dragons. The transition between a world with slavery and one without is not as easy as one might think. I'm not saying she shouldn't do it, just that she needs to think about the consequences and prepare better for them than she currently is. (This comes back to bite her in Book Five and is a major theme of Book five. But is built up to in book 3.)
Overall good episode.
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Date: 2013-05-19 12:34 am (UTC)I was thinking that I didn't remember that Sansa was ever even contemplating marriage to Loras. Right! It was his brother, the one with some problems. Thanks for catching me up. That would have been a much better deal for her than what turns out to happen after Tyrion.
Yes, liking this very much, still.
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Date: 2013-05-19 01:14 am (UTC)But I found it cringe inducing anyhow and very hard to stomach. I really could do without this bit. GRRM is a sadistic bastard - he wrote this episode. Although one could say he has a twisted sense of humor - because if you think of the number of times Theon is shown going on about sex and seeing women as just sexual conquests, including his own sister when he encounters her and forgets she's his sister, it makes sense. But still - hard to watch. Couldn't they have just told us and not shown...like in the books? Less is more!!! The book is subtle about it, I only caught it - because, well I was afraid of missing important plot points.
Oh year, Sansa even visits Highgarden and meets the guy, I think. He's nice. He's lame in one leg - a cleft foot or something like that, can't remember. Loras' older brother - who is very kind and gentle. And into horses. I was rooting for her to marry him and highly annoyed when Tyrion was forced to marry her. And then she escaped to creepy Little Finger. (We know less of what he was up to in the books - or it is less clear how he manipulated everything. Here the writers are making it crystal clear.) I think in book 4 - Little Finger was manuavering to have her marry another guy - a solider, who would fight to make her Queen. A hunk. Can't remember who it was - just that he was manipulating it.
The TV series is quite good.
Oh...have you read "The Iron King" saga - by the French writer, apparently that's the story that inspired Song of Ice and Fire.
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Date: 2013-05-19 02:03 pm (UTC)In book 4, Sansa is spirited off to the Eyrie by Littlefinger and disguised as his bastard daughter, Alayne Stone. There are tentative plans to have her marry Robert, the gross little kid who still breastfeeds at 6, but these never go through. Of course Robert in the books also has seizures or shaking fits; if he doesn't die (I forget) it's certainly implied he won't live long. And it's increasingly clear that Littlefinger just wants Sansa for himself because she looks so much like Catelyn. Ew.
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Date: 2013-05-20 11:55 am (UTC)I didn't really enjoy FFC last time I read it, but this time I was oddly amused. Maybe it's because I skipped large bits of it, reading mostly Cersei, Jaime, Sansa and Arya, but I was just really amused to see Cersei keep digging herself in so deeply.
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Date: 2013-05-20 03:27 pm (UTC)