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* Tinkerbell has the worst outfit (although pre-evil queen Regina's isn't much better). Why do only evil characters get the cool outfits? Also the Blue Fairy is a wee bit rigid regarding her rules.

* Tinkerbell's back story is really all about Regina. I'm not sure it worked for me, but Regina's back story seldom works for me. Tink found her soulmate, but Regina couldn't move on and was too scared to turn her back on her rage which fueled her power - so missed out.
However, she appears to have learned something from her mistakes.

What interested me was Regina attempts to commit suicide when she meets with Tinkerbell. The first time she jumps from her balcony and Tink stops her. The second time, she pulls out her heart and hands it to Tink. But the second time wasn't really suicide so much as a challenge.
She told Tink that if you kill me you've made my same mistakes. I put revenge above everything and look at my heart - it's hard and black, do you want the same? I want tell you what to do, the choice is yours. (It's the opposite of Rumplestilskin's pep talks).

Also belief seems to be important and central to the story here. Belief in love, oneself, in others. The Blue Fairy stopped believing in Tinkerbell and she lost her wings. She has no magic unless someone believes in her. And Pan wants Henry because he's the truest believer and destined to restore magic back to the world - Neverland runs on magic and imagination.
Without they are doomed. In short Pan and Tinkerbell are the opposite of last year's villains, who wanted to remove magic from the world. Ironic that Pan manipulated last year's villains...

* Apparently Regina's soulmate with the lion tattoo is none other than Robin Hood. (Interesting). And her inability to meet him - ruined both their lives, which is why Tink sees it as selfish. (I don't know if Robin would agree with that - he loved Marilyn and has a kid named Roland.) Poor Regina seems destined to shoot herself in the foot. I'm beginning to like the character quite a bit. When she's not playing the EVIIIL QUEEN, the actress is actually really good.

* Regina has noticed the romantic vibe between Hook and Emma - and calls Hook, Emma's boyfriend, much to Snow and Emma's chagrin. They remind her that Emma just lost Neil. (See that wasn't my imagine - they are definitely going with a Hook/Emma vibe..because you know, the drama!)

* Meanwhile in FTL - Robin Hood and Mulan help Neal find a way back to Neverland. Neal uses Robin's kid to summon Pan's shadow and hitches a ride. Clever. That never occurred to me. This show continues to surprise me.

And Robin asks Mulan to join his merry men after she rescues his son Roland from the shadow.
(Also Little John looks a lot like Tiny the Giant.)

What interested me is the person Mulan has been mooning over and feels she needs to tell how much she loves and hasn't found the courage to do so is not Phillip but Aurora. Nice twist.
But I thought she loved Phillip prior to waking Aurora? I don't know, as much as I like this twist, and I do, it makes Mulan seem terribly fickle. That said - Jamie Chung played her love for Aurora better than she did for Phillip and she and Aurora had more chemistry.

Since Aurora is expecting a baby with Prince Phillip (who didn't even get a cameo this round), Mulan took Robin up on his offer. (I still think Mulan is perfect for Hook.)

* Meanwhile - Baelfire/Neal finally landed in Neverland. I'm very happy about this - means some Rumple and Baelfire scenes, which are long overdue. They have a similar goal this time.

* Little worried about Charming...please don't kill him off. I don't believe they will. I think the leads are pretty much safe. But considering they wanted to kill him off in the first season, one never knows.

Date: 2013-10-14 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atpo-onm.livejournal.com
Tinkerbell has the worst outfit.

Really? I rather liked it. A lot sleeker than the complex, super-fancy stuff most of the fairies wear. Definitely agree that the Blue Fairy seems kinda unforgiving, after all, Tink did mean well. Losing your wings over it seems way harsh.

What interested me was Regina attempts to commit suicide when she meets with Tinkerbell. The first time she jumps from her balcony and Tink stops her.

Don't have a tape copy to go back and check, but I thought Regina's fall was an accident-- she was angry and pounding on the railing, it broke, she lost her balance and fell. Did I miss something?

I may very well be wrong-- shaky memory these days, but is this the first time Regina actually did something approaching a selfless gesture that did not involve Henry directly? Namely, that deal with cautioning Tink about what it would do if she stooped to revenge.

I did really appreciate that the writers left a lot of ambiguity in the scene. That is, was Regina truly sorry for what she did to Tink, or was she just conniving a way to not be dead? Or was it all about trying anything possible if it would help them rescue Henry? No matter which, it was a really risky bit there, offering Tink her heart, and the ability to crush it.

Future ep prediction? I'm hoping that Regina has something to do with Tink getting her wings back, either through Henry (who really believes, right?) or maybe even via the Blue Fairy back in Storybrooke.

Date: 2013-10-14 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Granted none of the fairy costumes are exactly...attractive. But the black/neon green sparkly thing ...ugh.

Don't have a tape copy to go back and check, but I thought Regina's fall was an accident-- she was angry and pounding on the railing, it broke, she lost her balance and fell. Did I miss something?

Regina claims it was an accident, Tink claims it wasn't. I'd buy Regina's take except when Tink stops her fall, instead of thanking Tink or saying...oh thank god, Regina yells at her for catching her and stopping the fall. (I was actually thinking at the time, dang-it, Tink, if you'd let her die - so many lives including your own would be so much better off but then we wouldn't have a tv series.) In fact,
Regina even states 'stop, let me go, let me fall' and fights Tink, while she's floating in mid-air. So she may not have originally intended to fall - but when it happened? She was all for it.

I may very well be wrong-- shaky memory these days, but is this the first time Regina actually did something approaching a selfless gesture that did not involve Henry directly? Namely, that deal with cautioning Tink about what it would do if she stooped to revenge.

Saving the world with Emma might be the second one. Although you could argue both this gesture and saving the world are linked with Henry. After all she does require Tink's help to find Henry - and needs it pretty badly. And she saved the world to ensure Henry wouldn't be alone in the world, an orphan. Both scenarios are similar in that she's willing to put her own life on the line to save or ensure the welfare of her son. But I'm not sure that is completely selfless but it is moving in the right direction.

Future ep prediction? I'm hoping that Regina has something to do with Tink getting her wings back, either through Henry (who really believes, right?) or maybe even via the Blue Fairy back in Storybrooke.

I'm willing to bet that they do the "we believe fairies bit" before the end of the arc or some twist on the we believe in fairies, because that's a major part of the Peter Pan story.






Date: 2013-10-14 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
I think that she's going to get her powers back via the 'belief' of the Storybrooke-rs. It sort of fits with the original bit of Tinkerbell being saved by the belief of the audience.

Date: 2013-10-14 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Yep, see the same thing happening. Something along the lines of "everybody clap your hands if you believe in fairies". Although they may do a dark twist on it - ie. everyone clap your hands if you believe in fairies so that Tink can generate enough dust to save Charming's life.

Date: 2013-10-14 04:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com
I wasn't sure if we were supposed to see Tinkerbell calling Regina "selfish" for not throwing herself at the Man with the Lion Tattoo as something the writers also believed, or something that was squarely just Tinkerbell's opinion, but it felt like both, and that gave me the wiggins. Not a big Regina fan, but even as nasty as she was about it afterwards, she didn't owe Tink a thing for finding her New Twu Wuv.

And now Neal is back in Neverland to find Emma and Henry, and the minute he landed, they segued right to Emma and Hook, and I just got a bad feeling. Hook's gonna make a move on Emma, and she either responds briefly and Neal sees it, or she responds with some enthusiasm and Neal sees it. Just to keep the Emma+Neal thing at bay so there's no happy together there any time soon.

Speaking of which, are we in suspense about Charming being poisoned? Because I'm unspoiled for the season and actor stuff, but I think something will come up and save him before he dies. The real suspense is, what will he have to pay for the cure, and how will that change the story.

In conclusion, fairies are all kind of jerks, y'know?

Date: 2013-10-14 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
I wasn't sure if we were supposed to see Tinkerbell calling Regina "selfish" for not throwing herself at the Man with the Lion Tattoo as something the writers also believed, or something that was squarely just Tinkerbell's opinion, but it felt like both, and that gave me the wiggins. Not a big Regina fan, but even as nasty as she was about it afterwards, she didn't owe Tink a thing for finding her New Twu Wuv.

I had a similar reaction. I thought, okay, Tink is blaming Regina for not deciding to follow Tink's advice and hook up with the man with the Lion Tattoo??? Tink's a nitwit. It's not Regina's fault Tink decided to butt into Regina's love life. Regina didn't ask her too. There were no wishes involved. I may not be a fan of Regina, who I still think is written and performed unevenly, but on this point - I agreed with Regina. She doesn't owe Tink anything - Tink lost her wings because she was trying to play God (and apparently not for the first time either according to the Blue Fairy). She even named herself "Tinkerbell".

they segued right to Emma and Hook, and I just got a bad feeling. Hook's gonna make a move on Emma, and she either responds briefly and Neal sees it, or she responds with some enthusiasm and Neal sees it. Just to keep the Emma+Neal thing at bay so there's no happy together there any time soon.

Oh definitely. They are telegraphing that one. Even had Regina comment on it this week - just in case no one had picked up on it. It could be interesting - from a Hook:Bae and Hook:Rumple standpoint. But grating and a tad cliche from an Emma/Bae/Henry standpoint. It's not that I mind the pairing, just the cliche faux love triangle of doom, which writers rely far too much on in tv series. They might do it better...I hope they do.

are we in suspense about Charming being poisoned? Because I'm unspoiled for the season and actor stuff, but I think something will come up and save him before he dies. The real suspense is, what will he have to pay for the cure, and how will that change the story.

Not really. The network execs made it clear to the writers that the show gets cancelled if they kill Charming way back in S1, stating and I quote - that you have to let the watcher have some hope for a happy ending (or something to that effect). So no, Charming is safe. I knew Regina was safe for the same reason. (There is no way they are killing Henry, Charming, Hook, Emma, Rumple, Regina, or Snow White. Everyone else may be up for grabs, although I'm pretty sure Neal is safe for the time being. The writers adore the actor.)

No, I agree with you...more likely the cure will come with a price. The last person to be poisoned in that manner was Rumplestilskin and look how they saved his life?

In conclusion, fairies are all kind of jerks, y'know?

Agreed. Also they have horrible fashion sense. I'm not unconvinced Pan may not be a fairy himself. He does have pointy ears after all. Either a fairy or an elf, assuming there are elves in this world - no evidence one way or the other as of yet.


Date: 2013-10-14 06:06 pm (UTC)
ext_15252: (peter pan)
From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com
My theory on Peter Pan is that isn't his real body, or at least not his original body. Maybe it's because he seemed to be the "shadow" last season searching endlessly for real boys to kidnap, and now they have an actor playing him.

Although now they're hinting that the shadows are either minions of Pan he stole from his victims, or the person's (Pan's) actual shadow acting separately from the body (as when Rumple cut his off and gave it an order).

Regardless, there is something creepy up with the shadows.

What was my point here? Pan in the original story was human, but the name Peter "Pan" reminds one of the greek god Pan, kind of a mischievous supernatural being. But possibly he's one of the evil faeries I speculated might exist in a post on 2ceUponATime this summer, acting outside the control of Blue.

Date: 2013-10-14 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Agree - the shadows are creepy, and I wonder if they are similar to the souls sucked out by the wraiths? Which means, Owen may not be dead?
Also apparently magical creatures can be separated from their shadows, a la Stilskin.

I've been wondering about Stilskin's back story with Pan, and whether Stilskin may have created Pan in much the same way he created Regina and Cora? That Pan started off good, but Stilskin...twisted him? Just as Regina has a tendency to twist anyone who she comes into contact with? Regina per the show caused Tink's downfall (personally I think that would have happened anyway and had zip to do with Regina), and possibly the same thing happened with Rumplestilskin and Pan?

Also how does Pan and the Lost Boys know about the doll that Rumple's father made him? I think there's a back story there.

Pan in the original story was human, but the name Peter "Pan" reminds one of the greek god Pan, kind of a mischievous supernatural being. But possibly he's one of the evil faeries I speculated might exist in a post on 2ceUponATime this summer, acting outside the control of Blue.

Eh, I think you might be right. And he might have recruited Tink after she fell out with Blue. (Seriously Blue is a tad harsh, I can see why someone might want to fall out with her - she's a bit of a dictator.)
I wonder if Rumple may have had something to do with it - and possibly taught Pan the shadow trick?

I see an ironic back story coming...heck, everything associated with Rumple is ironic.

Date: 2013-10-14 11:02 pm (UTC)
ext_15252: (Default)
From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com
heck, everything associated with Rumple is ironic

And he's always giggling at the irony before the fact, and being grumpy about it after the fact.

Date: 2013-10-14 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
LOL!

I find that highly amusing. The character just screams dramatic and comedic irony on multiple levels. Carlyle must be having a ball.

Date: 2013-10-14 11:06 pm (UTC)
ext_15252: (Emma)
From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com
Like serving Regina roast swan.

Date: 2013-10-16 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Oh, I forgot about that - or didn't notice it. Good one.

Date: 2013-10-15 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avrelia.livejournal.com
Tinkerbell has the worst outfit

I have to say, I loved it. The worst outfit belongs to Blue Fairy, IMO. Wearing that garish lampshade for centuries? One has to believe it is the right thing to do.

Overall, I loved the episode, and Tinkerbell's introduction, a lot. I don't think her backstory was all about Regina – after all, Regina was her last chance, so she must have quite a history with being a proper fairy. And Blue's strict adherence to rules looks very sinister here. Being Mother Superior in cursed Storybrook makes total sense for her.

Date: 2013-10-16 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com
Yes, apparently everyone including my own mother loved Tink's outfit, just me who found it ...not up to par. Guess neon green jump suits and skirts are all the rage? ;-)

Edited Date: 2013-10-16 02:14 am (UTC)

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