Did Xander tell Angel about the AR scene (which had occurred in Seeing Red)?

[shadowkat]

This came up as a question in a post by shapinglight in regards to a fic she was writing. But I got curious...so a poll:

Do you think Xander told Angel about the AR scene in Seeing Red? (Assuming of course, Xander interacted with Angel after Chosen. Because honestly that's the only time I think he could have told him.)

Note: "The Question should read: Do you think Xander told Angel about Spike's attempted rape or AR of Buffy? (Obviously he couldn't have done it in Seeing Red - Angel was tied up with Holtz and Connor at the time.)

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Comments

[samsom.livejournal.com]

Here via the Herald -

I voted no for a couple of different reasons. After Chosen, Xander lost Anya, Buffy lost Spike, and everyone lost Sunnydale. I don't think it would have occured to Xander to bring up something that was part of a past neither he nor Buffy would want to recall - especially with having to rebuild their world all over again and dealing with activated slayers.

I choose to ignore the comics, so in my worldview, Angel is not Buffy's father or avenging lover to settle the score with Spike (if Buffy thought something needed to be avenged, she'd do it herself and since she never did...), so Xander saying anything wouldn't serve any purpose other than Xander once again overstepping his bounds, and I can't honestly see Xander doing that after the sixth season.

[shapinglight]

I have no thoughts of my own, so just wanted to say I agree with you.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Well, I think we answered your question - and mine. Of the 65 people who voted? 89% don't believe Xander would tell him. And of the people responding?
Everyone agrees that only Xander would have done so.

Why does this episode keep getting discussed? It's not just me who feels compelled to discuss it. I'm not sure I want to know the answer...Weird episode Seeing Red.

[shapinglight]

Well, I suppose because it's so controversial and opinion in fandom is still so divided over whether Spike deserves to be forgiven because he went and got his soul back or should have been strung up by his heels and castrated on the spot.

And that's not even touching the Willow/Tara stuff. ;)

For the record, I don't think for one minute Xander would have told Angel.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Not helped by the fact that people had agendas, and that episode pretty much states that you don't need a soul to feel remorse, nor will a soul stop you from doing evil, which sort of flips Angel's entire story inside out right there.

The Spike/Clem scene basically changes everything you know about Angel/Angelus. A lot of Angel fans online couldn't handle it and lashed out.

No, as one poster on the ATPOBTVS board once stated: "That episode managed to find a way to offend literally everybody." LOL!

[shapinglight]

No, as one poster on the ATPOBTVS board once stated: "That episode managed to find a way to offend literally everybody." LOL!

Heh! Very true.