Did Xander tell Angel about the AR scene (which had occurred in Seeing Red)?

[shadowkat]

This came up as a question in a post by shapinglight in regards to a fic she was writing. But I got curious...so a poll:

Do you think Xander told Angel about the AR scene in Seeing Red? (Assuming of course, Xander interacted with Angel after Chosen. Because honestly that's the only time I think he could have told him.)

Note: "The Question should read: Do you think Xander told Angel about Spike's attempted rape or AR of Buffy? (Obviously he couldn't have done it in Seeing Red - Angel was tied up with Holtz and Connor at the time.)

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Comments

[fangfaceandrea.livejournal.com]

Funny, considering how much I dislike Xander at times I don't think he would have even If he'd been pals with Angel. He's hot headed enough to have told Dawn in the middle of an apocalypse but actually thinking about it and calling Angel.. Way too impractical and he wouldn't think it's any of Angel's business.
Plus, I'd only maybe hurt Buffy and whatever you say o the guy, I don't think he would try to hurt her even more.

[elisi]

The guy just died saving the world... Does ANYONE believe that Xander is petty enough to bring up the dark past? Esp to someone like Angel whome Xander can't stand anyway? If so, then I don't like that person's interpretation of Xander and would prefer to stay far away.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

I'm going to say that I doubt it not because Xander wouldn't say it if he ran across Angel, but because I think Xander dislikes Angel intensely, and for that reason alone never would've called.

[rahirah]

I don't think there's any hard evidence that Angel knows about it, so there can't be any hard evidence of anyone telling him. In canon, I doubt that Angel knows, or he would have used it as another reason to get rid of Spike when he first materialized, or used it against Spike in Destiny.

Do I think Xander would be capable of telling Angel if circumstances had been different, and Angel had been around in the latter part of S6? Yes. Xander was at a personal low point, seething with resentment and self-hatred which he was more than willing to take out on Spike even before Spike tried to rape Buffy. It was also heavily implied that he was drinking more than was good for him. If he'd happened to run into Angel at the wrong time, and thought that telling Angel would result in Spike getting beat up or killed, I don't think it's impossible that he would have dropped some pretty broad hints, and then spilled when Angel pressured him for more. I think he'd probably have regretted it later, but...

[local-max.livejournal.com]

No way. There was a point of having Xander stop complaining about Spike after Selfless (and even excluded himself from arguments about Spike, when Anya for example tried to bring him into one in Never Leave Me). But even if there wasn't, he dislikes Angel.

[ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com]

He only told Dawn cause she kept harping to him about how awesome Spike was--the whole "If Spike were here," business, implying Xander wasn't good enough. So Xander had that, the bad taste the situation left in his mouth, and then of course the duress of his BFF being batshit insane, trying to kill them all. I don't think Xander would have even told Dawn under normal circumstances, and he certainly wouldn't have told Angel...what would that accomplish? Maybe if Faith had still been there and their history had been rewritten, he may have told her like he told her about Angel in s3, expecting her to take him out. And even that would have to be right in the moment, and he'd have to have no distraction.

[samsom.livejournal.com]

Here via the Herald -

I voted no for a couple of different reasons. After Chosen, Xander lost Anya, Buffy lost Spike, and everyone lost Sunnydale. I don't think it would have occured to Xander to bring up something that was part of a past neither he nor Buffy would want to recall - especially with having to rebuild their world all over again and dealing with activated slayers.

I choose to ignore the comics, so in my worldview, Angel is not Buffy's father or avenging lover to settle the score with Spike (if Buffy thought something needed to be avenged, she'd do it herself and since she never did...), so Xander saying anything wouldn't serve any purpose other than Xander once again overstepping his bounds, and I can't honestly see Xander doing that after the sixth season.

[infinitewhale.livejournal.com]

Did he tell them? No way.

But I think if any character were to tell them, Xander would have the shortest route from A to B.

[dlgood.livejournal.com]

*Disregarding the comics, which I have not read. And also not familiar with whatever scenario shapinglight was working from...

It would be hard for me to envision a scenario where Xander would do so.

Xander and Angel are not buddies. I don't know that they truly hate each other, but they don't get along and have no particular rapport and would not gravitate toward one another even if no one else were around.

I think the most plausible scenario - were we to assume Xander does tell Angel -- would be if someone else told Angel (Faith for example) and he went to Xander for confirmation. If Angel already knew, Xander wouldn't lie - but I don't think he'd have any particular inclination to volunteer the info.

I just don't see Xander and Angel having the sort of conversations they'd need to have before they started sharing on that level. Now, Xander locked in a cage and tortured by Angel's soulless incarnation would share that info... but now we're probably talking about a different story.

[saifai.livejournal.com]

He didn't interact with Angel at any level (and hadn't for some years), so I don't think he would have done it. I adore Xander, truly, but I don't think he would have done anything unless it furthered some agenda (personal or otherwise) as was his tendency throughout the show. If the situation were thrown his way and there was a reason for it, I could see him doing it, but I don't see anything that would lend credence to that. I suspect we would have seen far more vicious and malevolent interactions between Angel and Spike during their fifth season if Angel had known.

[lusciousxander.livejournal.com]

No. Not only that Xander and Angel are very unlikely to speak to each other at all after the high school years, but Xander has changed a lot after S6.

S7 Xander was one of the most mature characters I've ever seen, who became completely objective about Spike. At least after Him. You see Anya trying to lure him into a Spike bashing debate and he ignores her. You see Willow suggesting that Spike became bad again and started killing, but he vetoes her suggestion and comes up with the trigger explanation. This Xander would never tell anyone about the attempted rape. I think it's very obvious in S7 that he'd matured beyond that.