Game of Thrones - Raines of Castamere...

[shadowkat]

Eh believe it or not, this scene was far gorier in the books. Sort of glad they didn't go there.

But in both cases it upset me, because of Arya mostly...and the fact that Robb and Catlynn had finally grown on me. It also deadened me to anything that could happen afterwards.

Weird that his wife was there and pregnant. She wasn't in the books. But I now know why - to explain why Robb is rendered defenseless and doesn't run.

Forgot the Blackfish was there...thought he wasn't. And they didn't do the scene with Edmund Tully in the bath with his new wife, who warns him when the song begins. Did it here - with Catelynn recognizing the song and seeing Lord Bolton's expression and the closing of the gates.

Oh well at least Theon wasn't on. But I missed the Lannisters quite a bit. Even though it's made clear by Lord Bolton that Tywin Lannister was behind it - when he says, "The Lannisters send their regards" - when he stabs Robb through the back.



ETA:..there be spoilage in the comments thread.

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[reginaspina.livejournal.com]

Forgot the Blackfish was there...thought he wasn't.

he wasn't - he stayed at Riverrun with Robb's wife. He was sort of an amalgamation of one of the Northern lords and the book Blackfish in this, since Robb was rather bereft of supporters on the show (Karstark and Bolton being the only named ones.)

And they didn't do the scene with Edmund Tully in the bath with his new wife, who warns him when the song begins. Did it here - with Catelynn recognizing the song and seeing Lord Bolton's expression and the closing of the gates.

Roslin Frey doesn't warn Edmure at all - she cries through the entire wedding, which Catelyn (whose POV is the only one through which we see the wedding inside; we get Arya for the outside the room POV) thinks is because she's just nervous as a new bride, but in fact, it's because she knows what's coming. But she never says a word to Edmure! It is Catelyn who recognizes when the musicians switch to the "Rains of Castamere" in the books as well; the Freys use it as a signal to start their men outside killing the Stark forces.

It was all a bit different from the books (Catelyn's sense of oppressive dread is very strong in the book and here she was relaxed and smiling) but it worked really well, IMO.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

I'll trust you on that, since you've re-read them. But I do remember someone leaving to take a piss and being upset about it. You're most likely right and it was one of the Northern Lords who I forget. I think the tv writers are trying to combine some characters or limit the number of characters - so the story doesn't get too defused. The problem with having 1000 characters in a tv series or even 100 for that matter...is you lose track of what is going on. Books are easier for some reason. That's why GRRM decided to write this as a novel series - he didn't believe you could do it for tv, too big in scope. Although I think TV helps tighten it a bit and focus the stories better.

But the downside is Robb looks a bit more idiotic than he did in the books, and like he has less of an army and not that many supporters.

Oh, just realized, the Edmure scene I was thinking of is in Feast of Crows.
I occasionally get the books confused. Edmure is a piece of work...

Overall, I think the episode worked quite well. I liked it in some respects better than the book version - less over-the-top. But because I knew ahead of time what was going to happen and had already ready the unabridged gory version - it was a bit anti-climatic. Wonder how I would have reacted if I hadn't read the books first?

[reginaspina.livejournal.com]

I do remember someone leaving to take a piss and being upset about it.

Lord Bolton left to use the privy (ostensibly) but actually to fetch his swords and prime his own men to come in and finish off what the Freys started. I LOVE the chapter in the books, I think it is really the best thing Martin wrote with its pervasive sense of dread and wrongness so I remember it really, really well. And there is a terrible moment in the books when the Bolton men come in and Catelyn and the other Northern lords think that they're going to save the day, and then it turns out that they are in cahoots with the Freys instead, and Roose stabs Robb to the heart. SOBSOB!

I think there are more named individuals with personalities who die in the books (and one of the ladies, Dacey Mormont, gets take out with an axe blow to the belly) but honestly, watching Talisa get stabbed in the uterus like a hundred times was a lot gorier than imagining the scene from the books in my head. Meep!