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shadowkatSo my co-workers who have grown weary of my hacking at work, keep asking if I've seen a doctor yet. A)I'm not hacking that much - only intermittently. b)The phlegm is still more or less clear and bright yellow, green, or black. and c) I have nasal congestion. In short, I'm not running off to the doctor, who will then send me to the hospital for stupid x-rays, to diagnose bronchitis, in order to foul up my body chemistry with antiboitics - until it is absolutely necessary. Oh and d) it's only been 4 days for crying out loud. Yesterday they were commenting on the fact that I sounded just like Alf.
Kept me awake last night. So...will admit, it is tempting to see Doctor, but only if I can get codeine cough syrup. That puts you to sleep like a baby...
There's been a smattering of posts lately on fandom wars. I have to confess I've always found the fandom character wars to be annoying, regardless of the fandom. It's one of the things I like least about fandom. The constant bickering over which character is a hero and which one is a douche. And when you can't convince each other? The name-calling emerges. And in some fandoms it gets incredibly misogynistic and sexist. Supernatural fandom was scarey in this respect, as was Star Trek - with Uhura (the lead female in Star Trek who had a hot romance with Spock). Remember that? OR how about the whole - kerfuffle over Harry Potter and Hermoine? The Hermoine bashing was brutal. And do not get me started on Doctor Who, the Martha Jones vs. Rose wars...eww. Just eww. [I personally preferred Martha, but was in reality a Donna Noble and River Song fan. Rose and her mother made we wince whenever they were on screen. I couldn't stand them. So skipped most of the Rose episodes. The best seasons were the latter ones in my opinion, after Billie Piper left the series.] Then there's Merlin - which I told Momster about. Momster adores Merlin - she's become an Arthur/Gwen shipper. She particularly likes Gwen. I told her that apparently some people felt Gwen was ahem, not historically accurate. And things got a bit racist. Also she was accused of not being pretty enough, which threw me and Momster both - we think she is lovely and one of the best things about the series. Momster stated - that's because traditionally Gwen is a blond and from the upper class, but she thinks this version works better and is more interesting. So agree. We like their twist on the Arthurian legend. But the fandom is scary. Buffy is relatively tame in comparison - which may be why its the only fandom I'll ever belong to.
That said - I've heard all the sexist remarks. And well remember the posts by fans who accused me of being a rape sympathizer because I happened to like Spike, who by the way NEVER actually raped anyone on screen, while Angel actually did - hello - the gypsy girl in Darla, and Drusilla later in Dear Boy. Attempted rape is not the same as rape. Ask anyone who has actually been raped. Just as attempted murder is not the same as murder. But I'm not going to argue this with folks AGAIN. It's pointless. [This means if you post a comment on this topic I will either ignore you or delete you. So don't do it!] And it's not a trigger for me, like it is for a lot of other people. Honestly how you guys watched this series or any of Whedon's tv shows with sexual violence being a trigger for you - I've no idea. Because a)Whedon is a horror writer, b)gothic romance tends to be about sexual violence, the vampire is a metaphor for sexual violence going back to Dracula. Sigh, daytime soap operas are worse, folks. Anyhow, the other names or remarks I've dealt with are: racist (yes, someone actually called me a racist because I happened to dislike Robin Wood and thought he deserved to be beaten to a pulp by Spike), I've been called
a fem-nazi, which was weird, and accused of only liking Spike because of his high cheekbones. Told I wouldn't like him if he weren't pretty and I was obviously shallow. I've been told that I'm shipper and everything I wrote was pointless and I was blind to what was truly interesting about the character and show and basically just a dumb female. And to be honest, those aren't that bad. I've heard worse. In real life - a guy told me that he wondered what I'd be like stoned, probably like a gerbil in heat - I didn't say a word, just glared at him. The other people in the room stated - if looks could kill, Dude, you'd be dead meat. Deader than dead.
Then I left. Comments like that do not deserve a response.
It sucks being female. You are a second-class citizen. The guy gets more money than you. I remember an elderly woman and colleague informing me that a man who has a family deserves a job more than I do or a woman does. Just because he's a man and his job is to provide for his family, while mine is to find a guy to do that for me. This enraged me. Because that is NOT true.
I remember male friends deriding female erotic fanfic for being nothing more than porn. When in reality there is a big difference between "porn" and "erotic fanfic". One actually requires some artistic ability - you are writing a story about two characters, building to the moment, while the other is a film or picture or series of pictures of two naked bodies screwing without any story attached or a cliche one at best- which I personally find rather boring - although there are instances in which it can be artistically interesting - such as some drawings, etc - those are beautiful. I mean you see it once, you've seen it all, right?
Most women need a story to be turned on - they are turned on by their brains - the muscle is controlled cereberally to an extent. We need to build ourselves up to it. Our masturbation often happens inside our heads. Not for everyone of course, everyone is different. We are turned on by different things. But female sexuality and sexual fantasy has a long history of being squashed or pushed to the fringes. Look at the comics - how many women are writing them? When it came to the big sex issue - who wrote and drew it? Jo Chen and Jane Espenson? Or was it Brad Meltzer and Georges Jeanty? And what about magazines? Playgirl existed for a bit. But it's mostly male. And romance novels are universally derided as being inferior to the male dominated action thriller and mystery noir novel. Guys who write romance novels and there are a few - use pseudonymes and don't admit it. It's like that song by Madonna - What it Feels Like to be a Girl. Have you ever wondered why it is okay for a girl to dress up like a guy, but a guy can't dress like a girl? Or women wear makeup and heels and guys don't? Or why the fashion industry forces women to be so thin and young?
What blew me away about Buffy the TV series, not the comics - they've failed miserably in this department and unlike the TV series appear to be increasingly targeted at young men, not young women. Anyhow - the TV series - provided male sex objects for girls. The guys were shown as sexy. They had their shirts off. This rarely happens outside of daytime soap operas. The girl was the hero, the guy the damsel. Angel was the damsel. Xander was the damsel. Riley was the damsel. And Spike was the damsel. It was great and liberating. And I loved it. Before that we had Xenia - but Xenia still felt male oriented, both in what she wore and how she was depicted, even her relationship with Gabby felt very much the male fantasy. (I loved Xena, but it felt off). And Farscape - same deal. No, what distinquished Buffy was we finally had a series that explored female fantasies and nightmares, had a female hero/adventurer. That's rare. Dark Angel, which aired around the same time - wasn't bad, but it still felt like a male fantasy about a hot chick. Buffy felt geared towards girls. And Spike - Spike was a gender-bender in the latter seasons. He was literally the femme fatale in S6 and in S7, the femme fatal with the heart of gold. Not really the rogue with a heart of gold like Sawyer in Lost, no, Spike unlike Sawyer was feminized in some respects, he was a nurturer, Buffy was shown as being stronger than him, and in S7 - he seemed to play to the girlfriend role or support function. Contrast with Riley and Angel - who did not fit that role well and claimed the boss role or "BOYFRIEND" role. Protector. Yet, they kept falling into the support function, almost against their will - which may be why they both left, it just didn't suit them. After they left, they notably take on the lead role in their lives and find women who do play the support function or try to. The push-me, pull-me battle between gender identity that went on in Buffy is what intrigued me and still does. It's what set that show apart from everything Whedon has ever done or anyone else. Firefly, Angel, Dollhouse - never quite come close to what he played with there.
And for me, Spike and Buffy herself - were the poster children for that. They typified what I was looking for and could not find elsewhere. Spike was the matriarchial view, not the patriarchial that we often see. He wanted approval from his mother, not his father. He sought out women who were stronger than him and had little tolerance for women who weren't tough. He struggled with his masculainity, fought against the feminine side of his personality. Slayed women - as a means of killing that feminity, yet eventually subcumbs to it, by literally going into the womb of the mother goddess to retrieve his soul that resides in her keeping, thick in the Skybully or desert god's desert. With Spike and Buffy - we see a different mythos than the typical Campellian or Heroes Journey, the patriarchial one of Star Wars, Angel, etc. Here, we see the mythos of the Eastern Cultures, The Celts, and Africa. I was blown away by it. It went places I never thought it would metaphorically speaking. And I desperately wanted to share what I felt with others. I wanted to find people who were similarly blown away, who had found something...special that they could not quite explain.
This happens with art - you fall in love. It's also true of sports. It's not a solitary thing. You want to share the experience. Do you enjoy watching a baseball game alone more than with other people? I think that's why people join fandoms - to share something they love. Something that is outside themselves, but speaks to them, and they want to share it with like-minded individuals. In this age where we feel increasingly alone...separated from one another in our cubby-holes - plugged in 24/7 to some gadget...no longer sitting on our porch stoop chatting with our neighbors deep into the evening as my parents did when I was a small child and computers a mere fantasy, we seek connection. A sense that we are not alone. Even though we know we are. To find someone who gets it. There's no better feeling online than to read a post or a comment that says exactly what you were thinking, is there? Or to find a fanfic that explores exactly that bit or piece of character you wanted to see a bit more of. It's like finding treasure, buried treasure. And to realize there's a person half-way around the world - who has seen the same show or read the same book you did and sees it this way, loves it this particular way - ooooh...it's like eating chocolate, fuzzy warm smooth. By equal measure there's nothing more frustrating, more annoying, and more aggravating than to read someone who hates what you love, or derides it, or makes fun of it, or stomps on it - it's hard not to take it personally. It's hard not to feel more alone. Add to that being called names or made to feel silly for loving it, dumb even, or cheap, then you just well either want to crawl into a ball, leave the net for good (because what is the frigging point - you can find that type of derision at work or school for crying out loud), or lash out at the person and make them feel like crap on toast too.
Yet, by the same token - when you love something and want more of it, and the writer doesn't give you what you want or crave - you want to scream. Particularly when they are giving it to someone else, who has been nasty to you, and feels the opposite way, exactly what they want. It's like watching the Yankees lose to the Red Sox or the Mets lose to the Yankees. It's like watching John McCain win the election over Obama. So you rant and you bash. It's human. And if you are nice, you put a cut-tag or warning stating it, so people who feel the opposite can safely ignore.
Time for bed. Throat is itchy. Hope less coughing. Damn that went on too long. I meant to go to bed earlier...ack. Oh well. No time to edit. Sorry for the typos, etc. But you should be used to them by now. ;-) (Oh, you can link to the post, it's not really that personal.)
Kept me awake last night. So...will admit, it is tempting to see Doctor, but only if I can get codeine cough syrup. That puts you to sleep like a baby...
There's been a smattering of posts lately on fandom wars. I have to confess I've always found the fandom character wars to be annoying, regardless of the fandom. It's one of the things I like least about fandom. The constant bickering over which character is a hero and which one is a douche. And when you can't convince each other? The name-calling emerges. And in some fandoms it gets incredibly misogynistic and sexist. Supernatural fandom was scarey in this respect, as was Star Trek - with Uhura (the lead female in Star Trek who had a hot romance with Spock). Remember that? OR how about the whole - kerfuffle over Harry Potter and Hermoine? The Hermoine bashing was brutal. And do not get me started on Doctor Who, the Martha Jones vs. Rose wars...eww. Just eww. [I personally preferred Martha, but was in reality a Donna Noble and River Song fan. Rose and her mother made we wince whenever they were on screen. I couldn't stand them. So skipped most of the Rose episodes. The best seasons were the latter ones in my opinion, after Billie Piper left the series.] Then there's Merlin - which I told Momster about. Momster adores Merlin - she's become an Arthur/Gwen shipper. She particularly likes Gwen. I told her that apparently some people felt Gwen was ahem, not historically accurate. And things got a bit racist. Also she was accused of not being pretty enough, which threw me and Momster both - we think she is lovely and one of the best things about the series. Momster stated - that's because traditionally Gwen is a blond and from the upper class, but she thinks this version works better and is more interesting. So agree. We like their twist on the Arthurian legend. But the fandom is scary. Buffy is relatively tame in comparison - which may be why its the only fandom I'll ever belong to.
That said - I've heard all the sexist remarks. And well remember the posts by fans who accused me of being a rape sympathizer because I happened to like Spike, who by the way NEVER actually raped anyone on screen, while Angel actually did - hello - the gypsy girl in Darla, and Drusilla later in Dear Boy. Attempted rape is not the same as rape. Ask anyone who has actually been raped. Just as attempted murder is not the same as murder. But I'm not going to argue this with folks AGAIN. It's pointless. [This means if you post a comment on this topic I will either ignore you or delete you. So don't do it!] And it's not a trigger for me, like it is for a lot of other people. Honestly how you guys watched this series or any of Whedon's tv shows with sexual violence being a trigger for you - I've no idea. Because a)Whedon is a horror writer, b)gothic romance tends to be about sexual violence, the vampire is a metaphor for sexual violence going back to Dracula. Sigh, daytime soap operas are worse, folks. Anyhow, the other names or remarks I've dealt with are: racist (yes, someone actually called me a racist because I happened to dislike Robin Wood and thought he deserved to be beaten to a pulp by Spike), I've been called
a fem-nazi, which was weird, and accused of only liking Spike because of his high cheekbones. Told I wouldn't like him if he weren't pretty and I was obviously shallow. I've been told that I'm shipper and everything I wrote was pointless and I was blind to what was truly interesting about the character and show and basically just a dumb female. And to be honest, those aren't that bad. I've heard worse. In real life - a guy told me that he wondered what I'd be like stoned, probably like a gerbil in heat - I didn't say a word, just glared at him. The other people in the room stated - if looks could kill, Dude, you'd be dead meat. Deader than dead.
Then I left. Comments like that do not deserve a response.
It sucks being female. You are a second-class citizen. The guy gets more money than you. I remember an elderly woman and colleague informing me that a man who has a family deserves a job more than I do or a woman does. Just because he's a man and his job is to provide for his family, while mine is to find a guy to do that for me. This enraged me. Because that is NOT true.
I remember male friends deriding female erotic fanfic for being nothing more than porn. When in reality there is a big difference between "porn" and "erotic fanfic". One actually requires some artistic ability - you are writing a story about two characters, building to the moment, while the other is a film or picture or series of pictures of two naked bodies screwing without any story attached or a cliche one at best- which I personally find rather boring - although there are instances in which it can be artistically interesting - such as some drawings, etc - those are beautiful. I mean you see it once, you've seen it all, right?
Most women need a story to be turned on - they are turned on by their brains - the muscle is controlled cereberally to an extent. We need to build ourselves up to it. Our masturbation often happens inside our heads. Not for everyone of course, everyone is different. We are turned on by different things. But female sexuality and sexual fantasy has a long history of being squashed or pushed to the fringes. Look at the comics - how many women are writing them? When it came to the big sex issue - who wrote and drew it? Jo Chen and Jane Espenson? Or was it Brad Meltzer and Georges Jeanty? And what about magazines? Playgirl existed for a bit. But it's mostly male. And romance novels are universally derided as being inferior to the male dominated action thriller and mystery noir novel. Guys who write romance novels and there are a few - use pseudonymes and don't admit it. It's like that song by Madonna - What it Feels Like to be a Girl. Have you ever wondered why it is okay for a girl to dress up like a guy, but a guy can't dress like a girl? Or women wear makeup and heels and guys don't? Or why the fashion industry forces women to be so thin and young?
What blew me away about Buffy the TV series, not the comics - they've failed miserably in this department and unlike the TV series appear to be increasingly targeted at young men, not young women. Anyhow - the TV series - provided male sex objects for girls. The guys were shown as sexy. They had their shirts off. This rarely happens outside of daytime soap operas. The girl was the hero, the guy the damsel. Angel was the damsel. Xander was the damsel. Riley was the damsel. And Spike was the damsel. It was great and liberating. And I loved it. Before that we had Xenia - but Xenia still felt male oriented, both in what she wore and how she was depicted, even her relationship with Gabby felt very much the male fantasy. (I loved Xena, but it felt off). And Farscape - same deal. No, what distinquished Buffy was we finally had a series that explored female fantasies and nightmares, had a female hero/adventurer. That's rare. Dark Angel, which aired around the same time - wasn't bad, but it still felt like a male fantasy about a hot chick. Buffy felt geared towards girls. And Spike - Spike was a gender-bender in the latter seasons. He was literally the femme fatale in S6 and in S7, the femme fatal with the heart of gold. Not really the rogue with a heart of gold like Sawyer in Lost, no, Spike unlike Sawyer was feminized in some respects, he was a nurturer, Buffy was shown as being stronger than him, and in S7 - he seemed to play to the girlfriend role or support function. Contrast with Riley and Angel - who did not fit that role well and claimed the boss role or "BOYFRIEND" role. Protector. Yet, they kept falling into the support function, almost against their will - which may be why they both left, it just didn't suit them. After they left, they notably take on the lead role in their lives and find women who do play the support function or try to. The push-me, pull-me battle between gender identity that went on in Buffy is what intrigued me and still does. It's what set that show apart from everything Whedon has ever done or anyone else. Firefly, Angel, Dollhouse - never quite come close to what he played with there.
And for me, Spike and Buffy herself - were the poster children for that. They typified what I was looking for and could not find elsewhere. Spike was the matriarchial view, not the patriarchial that we often see. He wanted approval from his mother, not his father. He sought out women who were stronger than him and had little tolerance for women who weren't tough. He struggled with his masculainity, fought against the feminine side of his personality. Slayed women - as a means of killing that feminity, yet eventually subcumbs to it, by literally going into the womb of the mother goddess to retrieve his soul that resides in her keeping, thick in the Skybully or desert god's desert. With Spike and Buffy - we see a different mythos than the typical Campellian or Heroes Journey, the patriarchial one of Star Wars, Angel, etc. Here, we see the mythos of the Eastern Cultures, The Celts, and Africa. I was blown away by it. It went places I never thought it would metaphorically speaking. And I desperately wanted to share what I felt with others. I wanted to find people who were similarly blown away, who had found something...special that they could not quite explain.
This happens with art - you fall in love. It's also true of sports. It's not a solitary thing. You want to share the experience. Do you enjoy watching a baseball game alone more than with other people? I think that's why people join fandoms - to share something they love. Something that is outside themselves, but speaks to them, and they want to share it with like-minded individuals. In this age where we feel increasingly alone...separated from one another in our cubby-holes - plugged in 24/7 to some gadget...no longer sitting on our porch stoop chatting with our neighbors deep into the evening as my parents did when I was a small child and computers a mere fantasy, we seek connection. A sense that we are not alone. Even though we know we are. To find someone who gets it. There's no better feeling online than to read a post or a comment that says exactly what you were thinking, is there? Or to find a fanfic that explores exactly that bit or piece of character you wanted to see a bit more of. It's like finding treasure, buried treasure. And to realize there's a person half-way around the world - who has seen the same show or read the same book you did and sees it this way, loves it this particular way - ooooh...it's like eating chocolate, fuzzy warm smooth. By equal measure there's nothing more frustrating, more annoying, and more aggravating than to read someone who hates what you love, or derides it, or makes fun of it, or stomps on it - it's hard not to take it personally. It's hard not to feel more alone. Add to that being called names or made to feel silly for loving it, dumb even, or cheap, then you just well either want to crawl into a ball, leave the net for good (because what is the frigging point - you can find that type of derision at work or school for crying out loud), or lash out at the person and make them feel like crap on toast too.
Yet, by the same token - when you love something and want more of it, and the writer doesn't give you what you want or crave - you want to scream. Particularly when they are giving it to someone else, who has been nasty to you, and feels the opposite way, exactly what they want. It's like watching the Yankees lose to the Red Sox or the Mets lose to the Yankees. It's like watching John McCain win the election over Obama. So you rant and you bash. It's human. And if you are nice, you put a cut-tag or warning stating it, so people who feel the opposite can safely ignore.
Time for bed. Throat is itchy. Hope less coughing. Damn that went on too long. I meant to go to bed earlier...ack. Oh well. No time to edit. Sorry for the typos, etc. But you should be used to them by now. ;-) (Oh, you can link to the post, it's not really that personal.)
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Date: 2010-04-23 11:03 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-04-23 11:45 am (UTC)get well soon!
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Date: 2010-04-25 02:24 am (UTC)1. Drew Greenberg for Smashed to the Director, when we see a closeup of Spike grinning after he's discovered he can hit Buffy. "Will you look at those cheekbones? You can cut yourself on them...he's beautiful. Just beautiful" - LOL!
2. Whedon's comment at the Paley Festival when Marsters and the other actors try to say they aren't pretty. "Oh please, you wouldn't be in the show if you weren't attractive." He says this in the commentary to Lessons :"We aren't going to talk about how pretty they are, of course they are pretty - that's why we hired them."
He's right. With few exceptions.
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Date: 2010-04-25 03:02 am (UTC)in one of the 'Firefly' commentaries (for Out of Gas) Joss was saying how beautiful the lighting was, but then added that it isn't like they were hiring 'trolls'...
I do love all my Whedonesque actors!
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Date: 2010-04-24 07:19 am (UTC)Re: here via petzi
Date: 2010-04-25 02:16 am (UTC)Hope you don't mind if I add you?
Not at all. Go right ahead.
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Date: 2010-04-24 07:37 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-04-24 03:14 pm (UTC)Saw you linked at![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
su_herald.
Perhaps then the reason I'm a Buffy/Angel 'shipper is that I'm male and/or because I'm a longtime student of the Campbell journey, and I assume that Buffy the Hero must fall for Angel the Hero instead of for Spike the Matriarchist. That's disappointing to think of myself.
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Date: 2010-04-25 02:10 am (UTC)I honestly don't know why you ship Buffy/Angel. I used to ship that pairing by the way. I did it back in S1-S4, until I realized the two characters were wrong for each other. It was the episode I Will Always Remember You that changed it. In that episode, Angel was revealed as an anti-hero, a man who would always put his desire for external approval, male approval, above all else. He could not be Buffy's support, he had to be her protector. And for Buffy, Buffy was always seeking his approval, when she stopped needing it, stopped wanting it - their relationship fell apart. That was what I saw in Season 4 of Buffy and Season 1 of Angel.
I stopped watching Angel for a bit, and struggled to like the character - when I realized he was a poster child for a patriarchial world order. BUT and I emphasize BUT, that is my view of what happened. Seen through the veil of my own personal experience.
There are men and women on my flist who love the B/A relationship and do not and never have seen it that way. They would argue the opposite. And have done so. Many of them, vehementally hate the Campbellian Journey - I know of one, who has argued against it.
And there are equally men and women on my flist and in fandom who love Buffy/Spike and are into Campbell and have cited Campbell.
They see Buffy the Hero falling for Spike the Hero, not for Angel who they believe has moved on and is not right for her.
You see? For some Angel is NOT a hero. And for others he is clearly a hero. For some Buffy is NOT a hero and for others she is.
And for some Spike is clearly a hero. For me? I think they all are heroes...and anti-heroes...both. And I can see each person's pov in this, how each person can see the story so completely differently than I do, yet still be right. Which is why I've stopped wasting my time fighting over it or arguing it. We are all right based on how we see it, based on our experience. I think if you asked Whedon and people have, you'd get an answer similar to the one I just gave - both Angel and Spike are heroes and anti-heroes. Both deserve and don't deserve Buffy.. Buffy is a hero and anti-hero. It depends on whose point of view you are in, as to whether or not they are heroes. This is true in real life as well, I think - for some people Obama is a hero, for other's he really is not. Whose right? (shrugs). Same deal with President Bush, or Abraham Lincoln, or Queen Elizabeth or any number of people. It depends on your pov.
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Date: 2010-04-25 01:05 pm (UTC)This.
If fans realized this there'd be no 'ship wars. Unfortunately fans, despite our pretensions, are no better than anyone else.
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Date: 2010-04-25 06:39 pm (UTC)We're only human. The number of times I've lashed out at someone in anger, I've lost count of. And I regret it. I've lost friends online and off, because I refused to see or they refused to see my point of view - which I was so wedded to. After a while you start to realize that being "right" is not that important. But all I can do...is say, I'll do better next time. Tomorrow is another day. My New Year's resolution for this year was to respect a point of view that I did not agree with or upset or offended me.
It's not as easy as I thought.
I think Whedon's stories are about that...as are other ones. I just watched an episode of Doctor Who - which got that across.
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Date: 2010-04-25 01:25 pm (UTC)I greatly enjoyed reading your food for thought!
Also this:
..."when I realized he was a poster child for a patriarchial world order."
Yes! The whole AtS show reflects that (especially in the way female characters are treated within the show).
I would like to add you to my flist as your thoughts are deeply speaking to me - on Buffy and feminism. If you approve.
I wish you the best for your health and i hope you are well again.
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Date: 2010-04-25 06:29 pm (UTC)Hee. Yep. That was part of my difficulty with ATS. It's typical gothic noir. And not very innovative. Supernatural is more or less doing the same thing, as did Forever Night, Moonlight, Brimstone, American Gothic, and the list is endless. One grows bored of it after awhile. ;-)
I would like to add you to my flist as your thoughts are deeply speaking to me - on Buffy and feminism. If you approve.
Of course. Go right ahead. And thank you! I am starting to feel a bit better.