Game of Thrones - Raines of Castamere...

[shadowkat]

Eh believe it or not, this scene was far gorier in the books. Sort of glad they didn't go there.

But in both cases it upset me, because of Arya mostly...and the fact that Robb and Catlynn had finally grown on me. It also deadened me to anything that could happen afterwards.

Weird that his wife was there and pregnant. She wasn't in the books. But I now know why - to explain why Robb is rendered defenseless and doesn't run.

Forgot the Blackfish was there...thought he wasn't. And they didn't do the scene with Edmund Tully in the bath with his new wife, who warns him when the song begins. Did it here - with Catelynn recognizing the song and seeing Lord Bolton's expression and the closing of the gates.

Oh well at least Theon wasn't on. But I missed the Lannisters quite a bit. Even though it's made clear by Lord Bolton that Tywin Lannister was behind it - when he says, "The Lannisters send their regards" - when he stabs Robb through the back.



ETA:..there be spoilage in the comments thread.

Comments

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Well the difference between Joss and Martin, is Joss kept killing off characters that I liked (Jenny, Fred, Tara, Spike (although he does come back) Anya...Wash (the only character I cared that much about in Firefly movie) and the characters I liked in Dollhouse) while Martin kills off characters I generally speaking don't like or care that much about. With the exception of well...that wildling gal.

That's always been a problem with Whedon - he has an irritating habit of letting characters I find annoying live (Riley, Wood, Andrew) and/or bringing them back (Warren), while killing off likable ones and not bringing them back.

Agreed on Catelyn. Is it wrong to say that I wasn't that affected by the Red Wedding? Or blown away? Not like some people appear to be. The only bit about it that bothered me was Ayra's inability to reunite with her mother - that I found frustrating. Catelynn? I merely thought, oh good, no more Catelynn pov chapters.

I cared more about Ned in some respects. And I was admittedly surprised by Ned's death, while I already knew about Catelynn's.

Given Littlefinger's creepy pedophile interest in Sansa, I'm not sure she's better off with him personally, but she's certainly better off away from the Lannisters. So I guess it's a plus.

You forget, Sansa and Tyrion were framed for Joffrey's death by Little finger and the Queen of Thorns.

[sophist.livejournal.com]

Good point about Joss. Agreed.

True re Tyrion and Sansa. She might well have been executed if she hadn't left King's Landing, and that meant going with Littlefinger.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Question - do you remember in the books if Jaime Lannister knew about or was directly involved with or had anything to do with the Red Wedding? Apparently people on Tumblr and elsewhere on my flist believe he did.

Am I remembering it wrong? The show isn't clear...it just has Jamie state two episodes ago to Roose Bolton, who tells him that he's attending the Tully Wedding - that "the Lannister's send their regards".

[sophist.livejournal.com]

I can't remember for sure, but I don't think we have direct evidence that Jaime knew. At the time, he was still on parole with his deal with Catelyn, so I don't think he did.

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Eh, my other expert - reginaspina clarified below - she basically supports what you've been telling me about the plot regarding the Westerling's which means Tywin had manipulated the events prior to the Red Wedding. Robb being a young and niave 15 year old, who doesn't listen much like his father before him, falls right into the trap. At least he was smart enough in the books not to bring his wife into it - although in the books, her mother never would have allowed it and he didn't know she was pregnant, assuming she is with his kid (although I doubt it matters to the writer). Fandom likes to see things that simply aren't there and is remarkably illogical in regards to story-thread specs.

[sophist.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I was going to suggest you ask her, but you beat me to it. She's more up to date on the books.