I'm starting to rethink the Whedon thing.
There's some interesting tid-bits that I didn't realize on Feb 10 when CC posted her tweet to social media. Nor did I make the connection on November 22, 2017 when Kai Cole's allegations came out.
Here's the Time Line.
* June 2016: After Avengers Age of Ultron fares poorly - Whedon Exits Marvel in June 2016
* March 22, 2017-Whedon to Direct Batgirl on March 22, 2017
* May 22, 2017: On May 22, 2017 - it's announced that Zack Snyder had to depart Justice League
* June 17, 2017 - Whedon's Wonder Woman Script is Leaked on June 17, 2017 (Zack Snyder and Patty Jenkins release Zack's scripted Wonder Woman was released on June 2, 2017.)
November 13, 2017 - Joss Whedon's reshoot of Justice League was released. Everyone at the comic con praises Whedon's efforts. (But behind the scenes - it's not so rosy. And the cast hates the film, so too do Christopher Nolan and Snyder's wife and producing partner. )
November 22, 2017 On November 22, 2017 - Kai Cole comes out with her allegations about Whedon.
January 2018 Justice League tanks at the box office and is overtaken by Infinity War in 2018.
On June 2018 Whedon Exits Batgirl
Ray Fisher supports Zack Snyder's Justice League Charity on December 2, 2019
Sept 5, 2019 Zack Snyder's Fans Bring Release the Snyder Cut to the San Diego Comic Con
On May 20, 2020 Zack Snyder's 20 Million Plus Justice League Cut Plans Revealed
June 10, 2020 June 10th Fisher retracted his statements at comic con in 2017, stating Whedon was in fact abusive.
July 1, 2020 While Whedon is filming HBO Max's The Nevers in England, and planning on doing a promotional Zoom Q&A at comic con in July - and simultaneously Zack Snyder, Deborah Snyder and company, with his friend Chris Nolan backing him, are trying to get Snyder's version of Justice League funded and put on HBO Max - Ray Fisher's Allegations Against Whedon on July 1. Whedon leaves the Q&A on Zoom.
July 20, 2020 July 22, 2020 Ray Fisher Reveals Change He Requested from Zack Snyder for Justice League and is revealed as one of the biggest and most fervent supporters of the Snyder Cut
September 23, 2020 Zack Snyder Filming New Justice League Scenes for the Snyder Cut in October
October 22, 2020 - HBO Max releases information Zack Snyder's Justice League
October 29, 2020 Ray Fisher Gets Specific With Allegations of Racism during Whedon's Re-shoot of Justice League on October 29, 2020
Joss Whedon denies Ray Fisher's Claims that he altered a Justice League Member's skin tone
November 25, 2020 The Real Reason Joss Whedon Leaves the Nevers on November 25, 2020 (He also left Twitter completely.)
December 11, 202 . December 11, 2020 - Justice League Investigation Concludes with Remedial Action Following Ray Fisher Claims
January 1, 2021 Ray Fisher is removed from the Flash...latest in Justice League Allegations - Jan 1, 2021
January 2, 2021 Ray Fisher Supports Restore the Snydervers on January 2, 2021
January 14, 2021 Ray Fisher Slams Studio Regarding Removal From the Flash Amid Justice League Allegations
February 10, 2021 Charisma Carpenter Supports Ray Fishers Allegations Against Whedon in I Stand with Ray Fisher Post
February 11, 2021 Buffy Alums Support Charisma Carpenters Allegations Against Whedon
February 14, 2021 Snyder Cut Trailer Is Dropped
February 15 Julie Benze and more Buffy and Angel Alums stand with Charisma on Whedon Allegations
February 16 David Boreanze and James Marsters show support
February 23, 2021 The True History of Zack Snyder's Justice League Cut
And finally..
The True Story of the Justice League Snyder Cut - Revealing how Whedon gutted nice guy Zack Snyder's film, and Snyder fought to get his version released for no pay, proceeds going to a charity in his adoptive daughter's name.
A couple of interesting takeaways: Ray Fisher had a bigger and more prominent role in Zack Snyder's film, Whedon cut out most of his part. Fisher has been a proponent of Snyder's version being released since roughly 2019, if not prior. Director Christopher Nolan despised Whedon's version and told his friend Zack Snyder never to see it.
Whedon for his part was given an impossible assignment - while working on Batgirl - WB told him to fix Snyder's film and deliver them a movie like The Avengers. He had less than six months to do it, and the movie shouldn't be much more than two and half hours if that in length. The individual who pushed for this - is now fired from WB for allegations of sexual harassment and couldn't be reached for comment. To do this - he'd have shave Snyder's film which was really two films, rewrite the script and re-shot all within four to five months, keeping to the release date of November 2017.
Whedon from all reports doesn't handle this type of stress well. And gets easily frustrated with actors. In addition he was diagnosed around 2018 with ADHD ( according to his Twitter account.)
The cast did not welcome him and fought him tooth and nail. Cavill was busy filming Mission Impossible at the same time. They had already shot the movie and loved Snyder's version. While the cast loved Zack Snyder, and Momoa, Gail Gadot and Fisher all praised Snyder for discovering them and saving their careers.
The allegations by the Buffy and Angel alums are vague, with the exception of Charisma's. Also over 20 years old. Kai Cole's allegations are also vague and to an extent old and weirdly timed.
The allegations by Fisher are also vague - and over four years old.
And..and..Zack Snyder's Cut of Justice League - does not happen in this industry. Having another filmmaker or writer take over a film? That happens all the time. That's kind of the nature of the business. What doesn't happen is an expensive movie ($300 Million) is released, tanks, and the studio pays $70 more million to undo everything the last guy did. WB payed $70 million for Snyder to undo Whedon's cut to his film, and restore his original version. Which is a 190 degree change from Whedon's - Snyder used film and square screen for Imax, Whedon used Digital and 3D stock, in rectangle. That's a lot of money. And you have to get people interested somehow - with a March 18 release date.
So...this begs the question, why did it all come out now? And more to the point, why not speak about it before now?
I'll let you all draw your own conclusions.
There's some interesting tid-bits that I didn't realize on Feb 10 when CC posted her tweet to social media. Nor did I make the connection on November 22, 2017 when Kai Cole's allegations came out.
Here's the Time Line.
* June 2016: After Avengers Age of Ultron fares poorly - Whedon Exits Marvel in June 2016
* March 22, 2017-Whedon to Direct Batgirl on March 22, 2017
* May 22, 2017: On May 22, 2017 - it's announced that Zack Snyder had to depart Justice League
* June 17, 2017 - Whedon's Wonder Woman Script is Leaked on June 17, 2017 (Zack Snyder and Patty Jenkins release Zack's scripted Wonder Woman was released on June 2, 2017.)
November 13, 2017 - Joss Whedon's reshoot of Justice League was released. Everyone at the comic con praises Whedon's efforts. (But behind the scenes - it's not so rosy. And the cast hates the film, so too do Christopher Nolan and Snyder's wife and producing partner. )
November 22, 2017 On November 22, 2017 - Kai Cole comes out with her allegations about Whedon.
January 2018 Justice League tanks at the box office and is overtaken by Infinity War in 2018.
On June 2018 Whedon Exits Batgirl
Ray Fisher supports Zack Snyder's Justice League Charity on December 2, 2019
Sept 5, 2019 Zack Snyder's Fans Bring Release the Snyder Cut to the San Diego Comic Con
On May 20, 2020 Zack Snyder's 20 Million Plus Justice League Cut Plans Revealed
June 10, 2020 June 10th Fisher retracted his statements at comic con in 2017, stating Whedon was in fact abusive.
July 1, 2020 While Whedon is filming HBO Max's The Nevers in England, and planning on doing a promotional Zoom Q&A at comic con in July - and simultaneously Zack Snyder, Deborah Snyder and company, with his friend Chris Nolan backing him, are trying to get Snyder's version of Justice League funded and put on HBO Max - Ray Fisher's Allegations Against Whedon on July 1. Whedon leaves the Q&A on Zoom.
July 20, 2020 July 22, 2020 Ray Fisher Reveals Change He Requested from Zack Snyder for Justice League and is revealed as one of the biggest and most fervent supporters of the Snyder Cut
September 23, 2020 Zack Snyder Filming New Justice League Scenes for the Snyder Cut in October
October 22, 2020 - HBO Max releases information Zack Snyder's Justice League
October 29, 2020 Ray Fisher Gets Specific With Allegations of Racism during Whedon's Re-shoot of Justice League on October 29, 2020
Joss Whedon denies Ray Fisher's Claims that he altered a Justice League Member's skin tone
November 25, 2020 The Real Reason Joss Whedon Leaves the Nevers on November 25, 2020 (He also left Twitter completely.)
December 11, 202 . December 11, 2020 - Justice League Investigation Concludes with Remedial Action Following Ray Fisher Claims
January 1, 2021 Ray Fisher is removed from the Flash...latest in Justice League Allegations - Jan 1, 2021
January 2, 2021 Ray Fisher Supports Restore the Snydervers on January 2, 2021
January 14, 2021 Ray Fisher Slams Studio Regarding Removal From the Flash Amid Justice League Allegations
February 10, 2021 Charisma Carpenter Supports Ray Fishers Allegations Against Whedon in I Stand with Ray Fisher Post
February 11, 2021 Buffy Alums Support Charisma Carpenters Allegations Against Whedon
February 14, 2021 Snyder Cut Trailer Is Dropped
February 15 Julie Benze and more Buffy and Angel Alums stand with Charisma on Whedon Allegations
February 16 David Boreanze and James Marsters show support
February 23, 2021 The True History of Zack Snyder's Justice League Cut
And finally..
The True Story of the Justice League Snyder Cut - Revealing how Whedon gutted nice guy Zack Snyder's film, and Snyder fought to get his version released for no pay, proceeds going to a charity in his adoptive daughter's name.
A couple of interesting takeaways: Ray Fisher had a bigger and more prominent role in Zack Snyder's film, Whedon cut out most of his part. Fisher has been a proponent of Snyder's version being released since roughly 2019, if not prior. Director Christopher Nolan despised Whedon's version and told his friend Zack Snyder never to see it.
Whedon for his part was given an impossible assignment - while working on Batgirl - WB told him to fix Snyder's film and deliver them a movie like The Avengers. He had less than six months to do it, and the movie shouldn't be much more than two and half hours if that in length. The individual who pushed for this - is now fired from WB for allegations of sexual harassment and couldn't be reached for comment. To do this - he'd have shave Snyder's film which was really two films, rewrite the script and re-shot all within four to five months, keeping to the release date of November 2017.
Whedon from all reports doesn't handle this type of stress well. And gets easily frustrated with actors. In addition he was diagnosed around 2018 with ADHD ( according to his Twitter account.)
The cast did not welcome him and fought him tooth and nail. Cavill was busy filming Mission Impossible at the same time. They had already shot the movie and loved Snyder's version. While the cast loved Zack Snyder, and Momoa, Gail Gadot and Fisher all praised Snyder for discovering them and saving their careers.
The allegations by the Buffy and Angel alums are vague, with the exception of Charisma's. Also over 20 years old. Kai Cole's allegations are also vague and to an extent old and weirdly timed.
The allegations by Fisher are also vague - and over four years old.
And..and..Zack Snyder's Cut of Justice League - does not happen in this industry. Having another filmmaker or writer take over a film? That happens all the time. That's kind of the nature of the business. What doesn't happen is an expensive movie ($300 Million) is released, tanks, and the studio pays $70 more million to undo everything the last guy did. WB payed $70 million for Snyder to undo Whedon's cut to his film, and restore his original version. Which is a 190 degree change from Whedon's - Snyder used film and square screen for Imax, Whedon used Digital and 3D stock, in rectangle. That's a lot of money. And you have to get people interested somehow - with a March 18 release date.
So...this begs the question, why did it all come out now? And more to the point, why not speak about it before now?
I'll let you all draw your own conclusions.