shadowkat: (Contemplative - Warrior)
I'm starting to rethink the Whedon thing.

There's some interesting tid-bits that I didn't realize on Feb 10 when CC posted her tweet to social media. Nor did I make the connection on November 22, 2017 when Kai Cole's allegations came out.

Here's the Time Line.

* June 2016: After Avengers Age of Ultron fares poorly - Whedon Exits Marvel in June 2016

* March 22, 2017-Whedon to Direct Batgirl on March 22, 2017

* May 22, 2017: On May 22, 2017 - it's announced that Zack Snyder had to depart Justice League

* June 17, 2017 - Whedon's Wonder Woman Script is Leaked on June 17, 2017 (Zack Snyder and Patty Jenkins release Zack's scripted Wonder Woman was released on June 2, 2017.)

November 13, 2017 - Joss Whedon's reshoot of Justice League was released. Everyone at the comic con praises Whedon's efforts. (But behind the scenes - it's not so rosy. And the cast hates the film, so too do Christopher Nolan and Snyder's wife and producing partner. )

November 22, 2017 On November 22, 2017 - Kai Cole comes out with her allegations about Whedon.

January 2018 Justice League tanks at the box office and is overtaken by Infinity War in 2018.

On June 2018 Whedon Exits Batgirl

Ray Fisher supports Zack Snyder's Justice League Charity on December 2, 2019

Sept 5, 2019 Zack Snyder's Fans Bring Release the Snyder Cut to the San Diego Comic Con

On May 20, 2020 Zack Snyder's 20 Million Plus Justice League Cut Plans Revealed

June 10, 2020 June 10th Fisher retracted his statements at comic con in 2017, stating Whedon was in fact abusive.

July 1, 2020 While Whedon is filming HBO Max's The Nevers in England, and planning on doing a promotional Zoom Q&A at comic con in July - and simultaneously Zack Snyder, Deborah Snyder and company, with his friend Chris Nolan backing him, are trying to get Snyder's version of Justice League funded and put on HBO Max - Ray Fisher's Allegations Against Whedon on July 1. Whedon leaves the Q&A on Zoom.

July 20, 2020 July 22, 2020 Ray Fisher Reveals Change He Requested from Zack Snyder for Justice League and is revealed as one of the biggest and most fervent supporters of the Snyder Cut

September 23, 2020 Zack Snyder Filming New Justice League Scenes for the Snyder Cut in October

October 22, 2020 - HBO Max releases information Zack Snyder's Justice League

October 29, 2020 Ray Fisher Gets Specific With Allegations of Racism during Whedon's Re-shoot of Justice League on October 29, 2020

Joss Whedon denies Ray Fisher's Claims that he altered a Justice League Member's skin tone

November 25, 2020 The Real Reason Joss Whedon Leaves the Nevers on November 25, 2020 (He also left Twitter completely.)

December 11, 202 . December 11, 2020 - Justice League Investigation Concludes with Remedial Action Following Ray Fisher Claims

January 1, 2021 Ray Fisher is removed from the Flash...latest in Justice League Allegations - Jan 1, 2021

January 2, 2021 Ray Fisher Supports Restore the Snydervers on January 2, 2021

January 14, 2021 Ray Fisher Slams Studio Regarding Removal From the Flash Amid Justice League Allegations

February 10, 2021 Charisma Carpenter Supports Ray Fishers Allegations Against Whedon in I Stand with Ray Fisher Post

February 11, 2021 Buffy Alums Support Charisma Carpenters Allegations Against Whedon

February 14, 2021 Snyder Cut Trailer Is Dropped

February 15 Julie Benze and more Buffy and Angel Alums stand with Charisma on Whedon Allegations

February 16 David Boreanze and James Marsters show support

February 23, 2021 The True History of Zack Snyder's Justice League Cut

And finally..

The True Story of the Justice League Snyder Cut - Revealing how Whedon gutted nice guy Zack Snyder's film, and Snyder fought to get his version released for no pay, proceeds going to a charity in his adoptive daughter's name.

A couple of interesting takeaways: Ray Fisher had a bigger and more prominent role in Zack Snyder's film, Whedon cut out most of his part. Fisher has been a proponent of Snyder's version being released since roughly 2019, if not prior. Director Christopher Nolan despised Whedon's version and told his friend Zack Snyder never to see it.

Whedon for his part was given an impossible assignment - while working on Batgirl - WB told him to fix Snyder's film and deliver them a movie like The Avengers. He had less than six months to do it, and the movie shouldn't be much more than two and half hours if that in length. The individual who pushed for this - is now fired from WB for allegations of sexual harassment and couldn't be reached for comment. To do this - he'd have shave Snyder's film which was really two films, rewrite the script and re-shot all within four to five months, keeping to the release date of November 2017.

Whedon from all reports doesn't handle this type of stress well. And gets easily frustrated with actors. In addition he was diagnosed around 2018 with ADHD ( according to his Twitter account.)

The cast did not welcome him and fought him tooth and nail. Cavill was busy filming Mission Impossible at the same time. They had already shot the movie and loved Snyder's version. While the cast loved Zack Snyder, and Momoa, Gail Gadot and Fisher all praised Snyder for discovering them and saving their careers.

The allegations by the Buffy and Angel alums are vague, with the exception of Charisma's. Also over 20 years old. Kai Cole's allegations are also vague and to an extent old and weirdly timed.

The allegations by Fisher are also vague - and over four years old.

And..and..Zack Snyder's Cut of Justice League - does not happen in this industry. Having another filmmaker or writer take over a film? That happens all the time. That's kind of the nature of the business. What doesn't happen is an expensive movie ($300 Million) is released, tanks, and the studio pays $70 more million to undo everything the last guy did. WB payed $70 million for Snyder to undo Whedon's cut to his film, and restore his original version. Which is a 190 degree change from Whedon's - Snyder used film and square screen for Imax, Whedon used Digital and 3D stock, in rectangle. That's a lot of money. And you have to get people interested somehow - with a March 18 release date.

So...this begs the question, why did it all come out now? And more to the point, why not speak about it before now?

I'll let you all draw your own conclusions.
shadowkat: (warrior emma)
Co-workers saw Batman vs. Superman over the weekend, and the consensus appeared to be, it's not a bad film, and really doesn't have that much action. Most of the action scenes, what little there is, are at the end. They found it a bit slow actually, and their attention wandered. But overall, worth seeing in a movie theater for the cinematography, just maybe not for $16 in IMAX.

And I found this review or rather commentary interesting...mainly in what it states about critical reviews in general and specifically in regards to superhero films.


Batman V Superman is rocking a Fresh 72% with audiences at Rotten Tomatoes, and a 7.4/10 with audiences at Metacritic. It’s not that audiences are “right” and critics are “wrong” here, but it does feel like the critical consensus is a bit off the mark this time around. I think that sometimes movies become fair game, or that some sort of critical mob mentality sets in, and a perfectly decent film is piled on a little too harshly. (If I hadn’t looked ahead of time I would have guessed Batman v. Superman would have scored upper 60′s to lower 70′s on Rotten Tomatoes. No masterpiece, but a good superhero movie regardless.)


And also from Forbes...this article How Even the Worst Dawn of Justice Reviews Helped Rather Than Hurt..


One of the narratives coming out of this weekend’s blockbuster Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice opening was that it “defied the critics” or that “critics don’t matter.” Well, as always with these sorts of things, it’s a little more complicated than that. Yes, the film got a stunningly low 29% on Rotten Tomatoes, and the average score was 5/10 (which is closer to mixed-negative as opposed to outright dismissal). And yes, the film made (as of this writing) $170.1 million domestic and $424.1m worldwide despite the fact that 7.1/10 critics on that popular aggregation website disliked the picture.

You might think that Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was something of a critic-proof picture, but you’re only half-right. The majority of those critics confirmed that, be it good or bad, viewers of said picture would get their money’s worth in a few key areas. It wasn’t so much that audiences ignored the critics (although some surely did), but rather that the negative reviews offered up confirmation of several core elements that were part of the film’s marketing campaign.

They confirmed that Batman and Superman do beat the heck out of each other. They confirmed that the film is full of “gotta see this in IMAX” spectacle and cinematic grandeur. They argued that Ben Affleck made a compelling Batman. They mostly were thrilled to see Wonder Woman in her late-in-the-game action cameo. The reviews were terrible to be sure, but they acknowledged that the film provided value regarding most of the core elements that a viewer might want out of the film.

Had those notices been along the lines of “The movie is boring, Batman and Superman don’t fight, visually bland and/or lit with a flashlight, Wonder Woman is lame, Affleck is a terrible Batman, and don’t take the kids,” I would argue the numbers would have been a lot lower. Okay, that last one applies, but that wasn’t a deal-breaker. If you’re a regular moviegoer already on the cusp of buying a ticket, even those poor reviews assured you that you’d, at least, get the stuff you wanted to get in a movie called Batman v Superman.


I have to agree...the reviews, if anything, have made me more curious about the film than less so.
Also, Superman and Batman have been done to death -- the only thing left to do with either is have them meet up. There really is nothing else you can say about them that hasn't been already said, ad naseum. Here's a brief list of all of the Superman/Batman movies and television series that I can remember:

Superman - I-IV (starring Christopher Reeves. Just watch I-III.)
Tim Burton's Batman films (I-II)
Joel Schumaker's Batman (skip - it is the worst Batman film ever made, actually I think it may be amongst the worst films I've seen. It bombed.)
Chris Nolan's Batman series (Batman Begins, Dark Knight, Dark Knight Rises)
Batman Beyond (cartoon series - quite good)
Superman (cartoon series)
1950s Superman films
Lois & Clark: the New Adventures of Superman
Smallville (Superman as a teen)
Gotham (Batman as a kid)
Batman - 1960s television series starring Adam West -- notable for the slogan "Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel" (if you were a kid in the 1970s, you probably saw it in reruns.)
Frank Miller's Animated Dark Knight Returns - films based on his books
Justice League (cartoon)
Superman : Doomesday - animated cartoon (Lex Luthor is voiced by James Marsters, so bonus) - this is actually really good by the way, animation wise and story-wise. Does the Death of Superman story arc justice.

There's probably more. Zombies, Vampires, Batman, and Superman seem to have been done a lot.

That said? I admittedly have a weakness for the character of Batman. He fascinates me. Wounded fictional male characters fascinate me. Not in reality, just in fiction. Also have a weakness for superhero flicks. Always have. Somewhat burned out now, though. (Gee, I wonder why. It's not like we don't have a superhero flick every two or three months, plus five or six television series focused on them, or anything.)

I'm admittedly tempted to go this coming weekend, but alas, already have plans to see the far lighter and witter, live musical revival of The Robber Bridegroom at the Roundabout Theater on Saturday. I love live theater. Plus the audiences are better behaved than movie theater audiences for some reason.
The Robber Bridegroom also got much better reviews than Batman vs. Superman, so there's that. And I think Stephan Pascale is more attractive than Henry Caville (who for some reason doesn't do anything for me, I know I'm in the minority on that point) or Ben Affleck. He plays the Robber Bridegroom and has a great singing voice.

The Robber Bridegroom is a rarely seen musical adaptation of an Eudora Welty novella of the same name...based in turn on a folk legend. It's part Tall Tale and part American Fairy Tale. Has a live blue-grass band.


The Roundabout Theater Company, in association with commercial producer Daryl Roth (“It Shoulda Been You”), will produce the 1970s musical, which bowed on Broadway in 1975. Alfred Uhry (“Driving Miss Daisy”) wrote the book and lyrics for the bluegrass-infused music by Robert Waldman.

Based on the 1942 novella by Eudora Welty, “Robber Bridegroom” centers on a Robin Hood-like bandit (Pasquale) who falls for the daughter of a rich plantation owner. The original Broadway production starred Kevin Kline and Patti LuPone in the lead roles.


The story intrigues me, as does the music. Besides my fetish for superheros, I have a fetish for musicals. Except for Opera...which irritates and bores me. The appeal of Opera, for some reason or other, remains lost on me. (I know I'm in the minority on that score as well. But there it is.)
shadowkat: (Ayra in shadow)
Read a rather interesting review of Whedon and Goddard's Cabin in the Woods by Lisa Schwarzbaum in Entertainment Weekly. Normally not a huge fan of this reviewer...who went ga-ga over Fifty Shades of Grey. But, she does say a couple of insightful non-spoilery things about this particular horror trope:

1. As the stakes become greater, storytellers Whedon and Goddard creep right up to the lip of a really interesting chasm of hell. They cha-cha around the abyss. And then they ...Nah, preferring to play with the symbols of scary movies rather than sincerely provoke and explore fear itself. And so, as countless squibs of fake blood explode and chaos reigns, this viewer is left to wonder: What does it take these days to really, seriously horrify the target audience for Cabin in the Woods?

2) Where are the intrepid genre filmmakers willing to be unironic, challenging viewers comfortable with game-style plot twists and the digitized world of mash-ups and re-tweets in which the amused head is more familar than the aroused heart? In production notes, Whedon reports with pride that ' Goddard is a true horror aficionado. He's the kind of horror director who'll spend a day watching different blood splatters to find the right one.' The scary truth is, the right blood splatters don't mean splat in a movie that feels like a game.

Her third point...

There's a lot of buzz around this movie, but it means little without the power to stir our actual blood. "The movie's biggest surprise may be that the story we think we know from modern scary cinema - that horror is a fun, comic game, not much else - here turns out to be pretty much the whole enchilda."[ETA: Further down under top ten horror films, I discuss Texas Chainsaw Massacre II - which makes me think more of Cabin in the Woods - both are black comedies about the horror genre, which became cult hits.]

Hunger Games vs. Cabin in the Woods and other films in the horror as a game trope. )

Anyhow..the reviewer's comment: "Where are the intrepid genre filmmakers willing to be unironic, challenging viewers comfortable with game-style plot twists and the digitized world of mash-ups and re-tweets in which the amused head is more familar than the aroused heart?" This.. got me to thinking about what horror films touched my heart and stepped outside of the game-style plot. What are the "A" horror flicks opposed to the "B" pulp ones. What are the horror films that truly scared me, kept me awake at night, and I remember now with a weird sort of love that borders on the purely masochistic? [And as an aside - What are yours? What films truly scared you? What horror films moved you? What films did you love with masochistic abandon, often watching many many times? What do you look for in a horror flick, assuming you like the genre at all? For me? It's character, a sense of wit or humor that comes from the characters, and a pull at the heart. Mix of humor and heart, and surprise.]

I like the horror genre far more than I'm willing to admit. I'm curious about horror films. Find myself seeking out the reviews, and wanting to watch the films. And horror like all things is a personal. What scares us...is a unique thing. When universal, magical.

Cut mainly for length. This is a very long meta on the horror genre, starting with ten great horror films that I find memorable and the tropes they are a part of. Also commentary on the horror genre in general and on why I see horror films and why they are made or even told. )
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First off, I don't put much store by Oscar nominations or winners. It's just a bit of fun. Stopped taking the whole thing seriously when that unmemorable bore-fest of a bio-pic Ghandi won. Titantic merely sealed the deal. The problem with the Oscars is you know that the people who do this for a living don't watch that many movies. Any more than the people who create tv shows watch many tv shows. Or people who do theater, necessarily see that many plays. Seriously - they don't have the time, and the free time they do have? Not spent on work-related things. Also, hello, biased, their friends and family members are up for these awards. The Oscars is more of a popularity contest than an actual awards show. The only awards that matter - are the ones given by people who watch all the movies (ie critics) and even then? It's subjective, so impossible to take that seriously. In other words - still fun.

That said, of the films that I've see so far, which have been nominated for Oscars - The Social Network is the one I liked the least and therefore find the nomination the most bewildering (it's probably for socio-political/pop culture reasons much like Ghandi and Titantic were, which means it will most likely win, even if it is deeply flawed and the least interesting, memorable and/or noteworthy of those nominated.). Granted I have yet to see The King's Speech or Inception or A Winter's Bone - so that could change.

Film Review of the Social Network - spoilers )
shadowkat: (chesire cat)
Why I Am Proud to be American today listening to My Country Tis of Thee- only thing about politics or the presidency in this post )

"> The Pervert's Guide to Cinema

List of Films dicussed go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pervert's_Guide_to_Cinema

YouTube Clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sFqfbrsZbw

Synopsis from The P Guide. )

Wales and I went to see The Pervert's Guide to Cinema, described above, at The IFC Theater last night - which is housed in the old Waverly Art House in the Village on Sixth Avenue and West 4th Street, next to the subway.

The IFC theater is perhaps the most comfortable theater I've been in. Cushioned arm-chairs with acres of leg room. We found good seats in the middle of the row, next to two guys we'd been chatting with in the lobby. I'd found the film through one of the film goer's meetup groups I'd joined on Meetgroups.com.

The film clocks in at about 2 hours and 35 minutes. It felt like three hours. Long film. And somewhat intense. With a narrator who has a very thick eastern european accent and speaks passionately in a staccato voice.

That said? It did fulfill my weird craving for a psychoanalytical discussion of cinema and media - which I kept, rather unsuccessfully, trying to do with people online. Although, I think it was a bit much for Wales. After Part II, she asked what time it was and when she discovered there was another hour to go, she muttered - "I'm dying here, dying."

The film was too long. Repetitive in places. And reminded me why I did not get a graduate degree in film or media criticism, and did not become a philosopher or psychologist. It is also reminded me of why I despise Freud and much prefer Jung. The psychoanalysis is Fruedian, with a capital F. Unlike Freud, Jung was not an absolutist, and questioned things, was more curious and open. Frued tends to be more absolute and unquestioning in his analysis - often ignoring the flaws in his generalizations and assumptions.

But.

It was a fascinating film and Zizek had some interesting ideas regarding the language of cinema.

Last night I wrote down what I remembered from the film. Here they are. These are my impressions of what was said and what I got from it. They are not necessarily my views, nor do I agree with everything that was disclosed by Zizek - who focused solely on films and filmmakers who supported his theories, ignoring those that did not. His presentation was at times manipulative and persuasive, but once you realized that the focus was so narrow, you began to question his theories.

Part I - Desire : Cinema tells us what we desire and helps us define our reality, Freud's interest was not in the fact we are having sex or how, but rather, what we are thinking and imagining during it and why the libido needs to fantasize. Why are we fantasizing to enjoy it. )

Part II: Male Fantasy - dealing with the female engima by obliterating her monsterous and dirty presence, making her little more than a reflection of the male, a part of him, which if he removes - he is free. )

Part II, B- The Female Fantasy )

Part III: Distintergation/Reconstruction of Self and Fantasy as a way of discovering self )

Part III -Romantic Fantasy - Projection of Fantasy on to the other )

One additional point of interest - Hitchcock apparently loved to manipulate the emotions of his audience and found new ways to do it in each of his films through images and music.
His dream was that sometime in the future - the human brain would be hot-wired to a device and all a director had to do was push buttons to obtain the emotional response he desired.
[Hitchcock was one twisted individual - who had serious problems with women. So does Zizek in my opinion. Actually so did Freud.]

Interesting film. I recommend with one caveat - rent it, don't buy or go see in a theater. You may want to fast-forward.
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[After comforting myself watching Ugly Betty and Grey's Anatomy, I'm NOW comforting myself with Barbara Walters' 30 Interview Mistakes in 30 Years - made by Barbara and her guests. Somewhat reassuring to know that no one is infallible and we all screw up royally or at least be reminded of that. I'm also glad that I'm not famous and don't have my faux pas on tape saved for all time. Warning mucho typos, I'm certain. No real time to edit.]

Just finished a fantastic article by Paul Schrader in Film Comment entitled Canon Fodder: As the sun finally sets on the century of cinema, by what criteria do we determine its masterworks

In the article Schrader defines what a canon is, the history of canon, devises criteria to set up a film canon, and lists 60 films that he'd put in the canon. I'll list the 60 at the end of this as a sort of film meme, putting in bold the ones I've seen. I'm not going to reproduce the article here, since that would be a huge violation of copyright. If you want to read the reader's responses to the canon and Schrader's responses, go here. For the article? You can probably still find it in a copy of the Sept/Oct 2006 issue of Film Comment.

What is meant by Canon? )

Schrader states and I agree with this statement: "It is much easier to make lists than to explain why. When you logically resolve Kant's contradiction - if there are judgements of taste, some judgements must be true and some false, resulting in criteria - you descend into a purgatory of shifting sentiments. This, scholars tell us, was the fallacy of David Hume. I'm not so sure. Standards of taste, as Hume understood, do not restrict art; the work of art will always find a way around the rules. They do, however, establish a necessary framork for judgement."

This is true. You can't put human creativity or even nature in a box. It cannot be contained. It will evolve. It will change. It will find its way out of the box, outgrow the box, possibly even redesign the box. People like it or not do not stay put, stagnate. We are ever changing life-forms. That however does not mean rules should not be created nor for that matter criteria made to assess art, to better understand what moves us, and what does not, what lasts and what hasn't. To understand in a matter of speaking our own personal taste - or rather the "why" of liking something as opposed to the merely liking. And more to the point - to what extent can we come to agreement on those works of art that are "brilliant" amongst the multitude produced, an agreement based on something other than popular opinion or emotion, ie. gut response? Hence the criteria.

Here it is - and I like it so much, I've decided to attempt a second post, possibly tomorrow depending on how bored I am - applying said criteria to the Television medium.

1. Beauty )

2. Strangeness )

3. Unity of form and subject matter )

4. Tradition )

5. Repeatability )

6. Viewer engagement )

7.Morality )

Paul Schrader's Canon - which he limits to narrative/fictional films, excluding short films, documentaries and experimental films. He does not delineate based on director, money, cultural environment, time period, gender, race, etc - since he feels such criteria is irrelevant stating - while such factors enrich discussion they don't define it. "There is no equal-opportunity canon". And that "motion pictures are the most collaborative of the arts...." "A film may be the creation of one strong individual, it may be the product of several; in either case only the film can be judged." "The merit of the film is the film itself."

Of all the films he ranks, the one he starts with, the one he considers the one work in which a canon of film cannot properly exist without, is one I have not seen, entitled "The Rules of the Game" by Jean Renoir. For the literary Canon, Harold Bloom listed William Shakespeare and Hamlet. Beginning the discussion with that work. I don't know, never been a huge fan of Hamlet, but then again it has been the most produced of any work, and referenced. Which may be why I'm not a fan, I got burnt out after the tenth viewing of it. I think I've seen every film of it made at least once. My favorite version may well be either Kenneth Branagh's or Derek Jacobi's. Although have an odd fondness for the modernized Ethan Hawk. But I digress.

I've updated this to include a brief analysis of my thoughts regarding the selections I've seen. Can't comment on the ones I haven't.

Paul Schrader's Cannon )
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